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19 People Die In New York Lake  
User currently offlineAlcregular From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1765 times:

Very sad news here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4303278.stm

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User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1757 times:

Ah, you beat me by seconds.



-NWA742


User currently offlineUA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1745 times:

I'm doing homework right now but have the news on at the same time. It is said that over 40 people were on this tour and that they were mainly elderly. As the boat sank, witnesses stated that they saw passengers "clinging" to the sides of the boat and that no life vests were present. These are all inital reports so don't quote me on all of it.

Thanks,

Matt



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User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1716 times:

I took a similar tour of Lake George back in 1973. Hard to imagine that ther'd be any risk at all. Sad.

 tombstone 


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1708 times:

Worst thing you can say on a boat full of senior citizens: "If you'll all look off to your left..."

Mark


User currently offlineSYRGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1705 times:

No life vests? I see lawsuits coming......

User currently offlineIhadapheo From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 6027 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1687 times:

News report say that the ship involved is the one pictured in the link below.

http://www.lakegeorgeshoreline.com/boats_ethanallen.html

We have been to Lake George several times and have seen the ship in question on the lake many times. We have been on other ships there but not from this company.

A sad day for all, and may the survivors get well soon and RIP to those who perished.

IHAP



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User currently offlineMuchswatch From Canada, joined Dec 2004, 170 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1671 times:

21 killed.

CTV.ca News Staff

At least 21 Canadian seniors are believed to be dead following a tour boat accident on a lake in upstate New York.

The boat was carrying a tour group from Canada, said Warren County Sheriff Larry Cleveland in a press conference.



CapitalOne & Direct Energy Sux
User currently offlineThumper3181 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1657 times:

I have been camping on the "islands" of Lake George nearly all my life. Regardless of whatever the Coast guard says there are many times that the conditions on the lake would make the Ethan Allen overloaded.

Lake George is a long narrow glacial lake. It is over two hundred feet deep in places. The lake is basically sited in a North South direction. There are mountains close up to either shore. The lake features Various rock out croppings, small island formations, woods and cold clear water.

Most times the lake can be reasonably tranquil but caution must be taken in storms and wind. Even during tines of seemingly benign weather conditions the lake can become dangerous. The reason why is that the mountains funnel the wind down in to the lake. These severe gusts can seemingly come out of nowhere.

Additionally due to the narrowness of the lake it tends to get a bit choppy (whitecaps in the middle of the lake) on weekends when there is a lot of boat traffic.

There are plenty of pictures in the ranger station on Glen Island of boats coming to an unfortunate end on Lake George.

As for life jackets, there is no law saying an adult has to wear one. They only need to have one for all onboard. I would guess that the boat overturned so quickly that no one had a chance to put one on.

A shame these people died. Doubly so because Lake George is such a beautiful place.


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1651 times:

Not wearing lifevests while in a boat, but having them laying around or stowed "just in case"... Isn't that like not wearing seat belts while in a car?

"Oh no! The car is skidding toward that truck! Hurry! Put on your seat belt!" Does that make sense?

Wisconsin requires that a lifevest be worn or within arm's reach of each person riding in a boat that size. The law is enforced 100% and the police don't accept any excuses. The fine is a few hundred dollars for EACH person in violation.

Mark

[Edited 2005-10-03 01:53:52]

User currently offlineThumper3181 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1591 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 9):
Wisconsin requires that a lifevest be worn or within arm's reach of each person riding in a boat that size. The law is enforced 100% and the police don't accept any excuses.

Commercial vessels or pleasure craft also?


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1587 times:

My first wife is buried in Glens Falls (RIP). Have been out on Lake George many times. . . . really one of the most beautiful spots in all of New England. It's a shame this happened . . . sympathies to everyone . . .

User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1564 times:

It appears that many of those on board were from the "down river" suburbs of Detroit.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/5048254/detail.html


User currently offlineVaporlock From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1553 times:

What a darn shame!!! My heart goes out to all that have lost loved ones.

I just watched the 11pm news report on the accident and many of the people who helped said there was no sign of "life vests" either on the people or floating nearby the boat??

I can't believe that the people in charge of this type of tour would be so ignorant and not provide some type life vests for the passengers.

Phyllis  bouncy 


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1542 times:

Quoting SYRGuy (Reply 5):
No life vests? I see lawsuits coming......

Maybe, then again we sue when the tour doesn't give everything in the brochure.

Quoting Vaporlock (Reply 13):
many of the people who helped said there was no sign of "life vests" either on the people or floating nearby the boat??

An 'eye witness report' I saw said thre were pleny of life vests, they were just in the water with no one using them. I have two problem with this. A) Yes they should have been worn, but B) I think it's entirely possible that the life vests could have further complicated the rescue/survival. From what I heard the boat flipped almost immediately. This likely mean you had a bunch of people looking up at the floor comming down on them fast. A life jacket doesn't help when the boat is pushing you under water.


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1531 times:

Very sad indeed. A friend of mine drowned there about a year and a half ago after his canoe capsized, and it's always bad to hear about this kind of stuff. RIP to all those who died.  Sad

Harry



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User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2675 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1516 times:
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Quoting Thumper3181 (Reply 8):
Lake George is a long narrow glacial lake.

I've been there many times, but what glacier feeds it? I didn't think there were any glaciers in North America east of the Rockies (and south of the Arctic).

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 11):
Have been out on Lake George many times. . . . really one of the most beautiful spots in all of New England.

Didn't think upstate New York was considered New England.

Tragic accident, condolences to family and friends



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User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 45
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1513 times:

Quoting Arrow (Reply 16):
Quoting Thumper3181 (Reply 8):
Lake George is a long narrow glacial lake.

I've been there many times, but what glacier feeds it? I didn't think there were any glaciers in North America east of the Rockies (and south of the Arctic).

I think Arrow means that the lake was scooped out by a glacier, so it's a "glacial lake" -- *not* glacier-fed. You are correct in that there are no glaciers in the area.

I've been to Lake George. It's been the site of many boat accidents, but not any more than would be expected for a lake of its size with the characteristics listed above. Very sad indeed.  Sad



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1511 times:

Quoting Arrow (Reply 16):
Didn't think upstate New York was considered New England.

East of the Hudson and the lakes can be.

Condolences for those who lost their lives today, and to you ANC, I did not know about your wife.  Sad It is a beautiful spot, indeed.



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User currently offlineThumper3181 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1509 times:

Quoting Arrow (Reply 16):
I've been there many times, but what glacier feeds it?

None. Either Lake Champlian feeds it or it is the other way around I forget. The lake was originally formed by a glacier. In fact if you go out to the islands you can see the cuts on the boulders created when the glacier scooped out the earth.

I once read that Long Island was formed from the sediment of that glacier. Not sure how accurate that is but sounds plausible.


User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1752 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1462 times:

Quoting Redngold (Reply 17):
I've been there many times, but what glacier feeds it? I didn't think there were any glaciers in North America east of the Rockies (and south of the Arctic).

It's a glaciar lake in the sense that the geological formation where it sits was formed by the thick ice sheets that covered the region 10,000 years ago. The same can be said of most of Canada's and Scandiavia's big northern lakes.


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1457 times:

Quoting AM744 (Reply 20):
It's a glaciar lake in the sense that the geological formation where it sits was formed by the thick ice sheets that covered the region 10,000 years ago. The same can be said of most of Canada's and Scandiavia's big northern lakes.

As a matter of fact, all of the Great Lakes (Michigan, Huron, Erie, Ontario, Superior), are said to be glacier lakes.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7482 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1448 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 18):
Quoting Arrow (Reply 16):
Didn't think upstate New York was considered New England.

East of the Hudson and the lakes can be.

Nope, only 6 states (Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, & Rhode Island) are considered part of the New England region. As a New England native (Massachusetts), one of the first geography lessons I learned in school (back in the early '70s) are the 6 states that make up New England. Any part of New York state, would not be considered part of New England.

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 14):
An 'eye witness report' I saw said thre were plenty of life vests, they were just in the water with no one using them.
...
From what I heard the boat flipped almost immediately.

I heard a similar report on the morning news.



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User currently offlineBigOrange From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1440 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 4):
Worst thing you can say on a boat full of senior citizens: "If you'll all look off to your left..."

ROFL!

20 less old people driving cars that shouldn't be!


User currently offlineCsavel From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1359 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1423 times:

Quoting Thumper3181 (Reply 19):
I once read that Long Island was formed from the sediment of that glacier. Not sure how accurate that is but sounds plausible.

Very accurate, Long Island is in fact a "terminal moraine" from the last glacier, i.e. the glacier just stopped right wher LI is and all the crud and outwash from when it melted made Long Island.



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25 AsstChiefMark : I wonder if it was a glass bottom boat. Imagine the sight of lifevests floating a few feet above you. I think it would be like window shopping in the
26 AsstChiefMark : (Never got message confirmation. Timed out.) Mark[Edited 2005-10-03 22:11:26]
27 AsstChiefMark : (Never got message confirmation AGAIN. Timed out AGAIN.) Mark[Edited 2005-10-03 22:11:55]
28 Arrow : Ok - so its glacial in the sense that it was carved out by a glacier. I guess most Canadian and northern US lakes fit that definition. But to me a gla
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