NUair From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1320 times:
"The market changed as it often does. Frequently that means Detroit gets left behind. It never fails."
Art Spinella of CNW Marketing Research Inc.
So here are the latest sales figures for September (year on year change)
Honda Civic +37%
Honda Civic Hybrid +25%
Toyota Prius +100%
Dodge Neon +69%
Chevy Malibu +25%
Ford F-Series -30%
Ford Explorer, Expedition, Navigator -55%
GM all SUV's, minivan's and truck's -30%
To add to the pressure now both republicans and democrats are demanding higher fuel efficiency standards and are currently moving a bi-partisan amendment on the energy bill through congress that will require fuel efficiency improvements of 3% per year.
"How Many Assholes we got on this ship?" - Lord Helmet
DfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 851 posts, RR: 51 Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1293 times:
>> GM all SUV's, minivan's and truck's -30%
Well, GM minivans are an utter joke. That's no suprise.
The truck and SUV market, however, is the GM bread and butter. This is a significant impact near-term, but sales of large vehicles are expected to pick-up in the 2007 model year. GM is keeping production constant and isn't cutting back their large vehicle plant.
CaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1283 times:
Quoting HAJFlyer (Reply 1): Did GM and Ford still offer employee rebates on their vehicles in September ?
This was a great idea if you live on the philosophy of give me money now and don't worry about the future. All GM and Ford did was steal from themselves. The people who bought on this sale were going to buy a GM or Ford anyway in the next year or two, those who could do it now, did it.. Now sales will continue to fall for them. They didn't steal any market share away from anyone with their most recent promotion.
Some of the drop may be due to the fact they can't but together a decent car that outlives the payment book. Even their trucks are not what they used to be. I know a few die hard Chevy and Ford pickup drivers looking at Toyota and that new Honda pickup. They just want reliability and fuel economy, GM and Ford will still have the people obsessed with power, status, and the ones who really need towing ability.
Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 5): All GM and Ford did was steal from themselves. The people who bought on this sale were going to buy a GM or Ford anyway in the next year or two, those who could do it now, did it..
Do you have a source, or is this just your opinion?
AsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1267 times:
All the stupid f*cks have to do is market a 100% ethanol vehicle or ANYTHING that doesn't require petroleum-based fuels. If they don't have these vehicles ready to roll because they didn't bother researching and developing them, then they deserve what's coming to them.
No, its common sense. People who were going to buy a GM or Ford vehicle in the near future just did when they offered the sale. Now look for sales to drop because many of the people who can or would buy one of those buckets just did it.
Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 8): Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 6):
Do you have a source, or is this just your opinion?
[quote=CaptOveur,reply=8]Now look for sales to drop because many of the people who can or would buy one of those buckets just did it.
Such 1970's thinking....have you driven a new American Car. They are ranked as good as any european or Japanese car.
Why don't you people go out and support this country, GM and Ford build fine products.
My last few cars
Chrysler Sebring Convertable No problems
Audi TT Cabrio, Looked cook, but poor ergonomics, towed four times to the dealer
Mercury Sable Wagon, No Problem
Pathfinder LE, towed twice
Pathfinder LE, Towed in twice
SAAB 9000 Turbo, poor ergonomics
Yeah, I have handled a couple of those wonders of engineering know as GM SUVs, I think I last drove a Blazer (or whatever the hell its called now) about a year and a half ago.. They handle like shit, they float through turns, the steering is very loose, the power is good but thats about it.. At least GM still makes decent seats. I wasn't all that impressed with the ergonomics, and I was surprised to discover that I barely fit in the thing, even with the seat way back.
The last Ford (Mercury) I was in (grand marquis) floated through turns, handled like shit otherwise, and had seats that would make my ass go numb if I sat in them more than 20 minutes. The power was OK but nothing great.
I was recently in a fairly new cavalier (2 years old I think).. the AC was barely putting out cold air, the plastic interior fittings were junk, headliner was already coming down, and the damn radio didn't even work.... and the car would get a wierd vibration sitting at lights. Really made me want to run right out and buy a GM product.
If you want to hear about problems with mid-90s GM and Ford products I can write a book.
Dtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1221 times:
Cadillac's new XLR roadster was the highest-rated vehicle in the 2004 Total Quality Index, underscoring a sharp comeback for U.S. automotive giant General Motors.
While Japanese automakers fared well, GM and the South Korean carmaker, Hyundai, proved unexpectedly strong contenders. Meanwhile, the study's perennial winner, BMW, was knocked out of the top spot, according to Strategic Vision, the California-based research firm that produces the annual Total Quality Index.
General Motors took the top spot in 10 of 19 separate product segments, with a mix of specialty and mainstream cars, trucks and crossovers. These included the XLR, Chevrolet Malibu, Monte Carlo and Corvette, and Saturn ION and VUE. The study put Cadillac on a nearly equal par with such long-term customer satisfaction leaders as Lexus, Jaguar, and BMW
New car quality has hit an all-time high, with all but a handful of manufacturers making significant gains in the 2004 J.D. Power Initial Quality Survey.
The oft-quoted annual report, released today, delivers some unexpected surprises, showing how difficult it's become for any carmaker to dominate the quality charts anymore. Undoubtedly the biggest shocker comes from Korea. Long the industry laggard, Hyundai has soared past the traditional quality leader, Toyota. And even the Japanese automaker's premium brand is now getting some stiff competition - from Buick.
For 2004, Power's IQS reveals an 11-percent reduction in the number of problems the typical U.S. new car owner reported when compared to the 2003 survey. That is a positive development, especially as the quality numbers showed no gains in the previous two years.
"This is one of the more significant improvements we've seen," noted Power senior analyst Brian Walters.
What went wrong, Japan?
The IQS is a measure of what can be called "things gone wrong." That can include major problems, such as a blown engine, as well as more minor matters, including poorly placed cupholders. The survey counts up the number of problems participating owners experienced during the first 90 days of ownership, grouping them into nine separate categories. The final figure is calculated in terms of problems per 100 vehicles, or PP100s. Like golf, this contest goes to the lowest score.
And over the decades, the Japanese have consistently delivered industry-leading quality. This year, their products had a score of 111 PP100s, compared with 119 for the industry as a whole. Among individual manufacturers, Lexus was the brand to beat, with a score of 87, meaning less than one problem per vehicle.
Yet the Japanese do not dominate like they have in the past. Some key manufacturers tumbled. Nissan slipped 11 percent, driving it down to the lower tier of the 36 manufacturers Power ranked. Then there's Toyota, the company that first taught the industry the concept of initial quality. In the 2003 survey, the flagship Toyota brand actually suffered a seven-percent decline. It recovers in 2004, its initial quality gaining 14 percent, to 104 problems per 100 vehicles.
Hyundai stuns, Europe falls
But Toyota's gains weren't enough to overcome the most stunning come-from-behind performance of the year. With what Walters called a "surprising" 29-percent improvement, Hyundai sees its problem count drop to 102.
Until recently, Korean makers have anchored the IQS and other quality surveys. In 1998, when Power redesigned the Initial Quality Survey, they had a score of 272, nearly double the problems of the Japanese, at 156. This year, they surge to second place, with a group score of 117 PP100s, comfortably ahead of both Europeans and American automakers.
That underscores just how rapidly things are changing. In 1998, the Europeans, as a group, edged out the Japanese, led by luxury industry stalwarts Mercedes-Benz and BMW. Mercedes has had a number of serious quality problems in recent years, though it does show signs of a turnaround in the 2004 IQS, its score improving 20 percent.
Luxury makers regularly outscore mainstream brands, as one might expect. With a score of 87 this year, Lexus has again proven the brand to beat on the IQS, but several of its competitors are edging closer. Cadillac delivers a count of 93 problems per 100. And with several specific products, another General Motors division nudges even closer to Lexus territory. The Buick Century, which Walters described as "one of the best models in the industry," comes in with 63 PP100.
Individual products can make - or break - a manufacturer's overall score, as Porsche painfully discovered. Its 911 is the top-quality nameplate in the Premium Sports Car category, but overall, Porsche experiences a 36-percent decline, to 159 PP100s, due to the troubled debut of its Cayenne SUV.
"In the past, it was always a risk to buy a new vehicle," said Walters, yet despite the Cayenne's problems, "Our data now show there's less of risk in buying a vehicle its first year out on the market."
DfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 851 posts, RR: 51 Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1208 times:
>> Yet the Japanese do not dominate like they have in the past. Some key manufacturers tumbled. Nissan slipped 11 percent, driving it down to the lower tier of the 36 manufacturers Power ranked. Then there's Toyota, the company that first taught the industry the concept of initial quality.
It's the exact same story with Dell. Once you establish great quality, the market will flock to your product, and the associated surge in demand will make it difficult to maintain said quality.
Dell's legendary quality has lowered a bit in the past few years, but they still dominate the market because they are desirable products. Toyota may have been surpassed by other models, but the fact remains that they are still some of the best products on the road. Can the Buick Century say that?