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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1326 times:

President Bush, increasingly concerned about a possible avian flu pandemic, revealed Tuesday that any part of the country where the virus breaks out could likely be quarantined and that he is considering using the military to enforce it.

http://www.freep.com/news/latestnews/pm6456_20051004.htm


Gee, I guess the Concentration camp is not to far behind!

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User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1299 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
Gee, I guess the Concentration camp is not to far behind!

And if he did nothing to insure public safety during a serious virus epidemic you would call him incompetent.


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1292 times:

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 1):
you would call him incompetent

I calls'em as I see'em!


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1291 times:
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Do you have the right answer to contain a mass epidemic of a disease that we are unable to control?

Read up on the Influenza outbreak of 1918.



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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1272 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 3):
Read up on the Influenza outbreak of 1918.

Yes dear, I am well aware of the 1918 outbreak.

It killed my grandfathers first wife.


User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1267 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 2):
I calls'em as I see'em!

OK so he is Hitler if he uses the military to quarantine an area during a mass flu epedemic where tens of thousands could die if it got out of hand.

He is incompetent if he does nothing and lets the virus rack up a death toll similar to that of your average concentration camp.

You can't have it both ways


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1266 times:

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 5):
He is incompetent if he does nothing and lets the virus rack up a death toll similar to that of your average concentration camp.

Funding vaccine research for starters would be a great way to get started.

Oh, but wait, we are saving the world from terror?!


User currently offlineKiwiNanday From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1262 times:

On this topic, did anyone read the National Geographic article on H5N1? It was pretty interesting.

User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1260 times:
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Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 4):
Quoting DL021 (Reply 3):
Read up on the Influenza outbreak of 1918.

Yes dear, I am well aware of the 1918 outbreak.

It killed my grandfathers first wife.

OK...so it got a few of my antecedents as well....now answer the question.

What other option would be appropriate if we were threatened by a medically uncontrollable outbreak?

Why do some anetters on the other team insist on calling others dear and hon and sweetie when trying to make a point? It's a little dramaqueenish, isn't it?

[Edited 2005-10-05 01:02:11]


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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1244 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 8):
Why do some anetters on the other team insist on calling others dear and hon and sweetie when trying to make a point? It's a little dramaqueenish, isn't it?

Because it's fun!

No, back to topic:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 8):
What other option would be appropriate if we were threatened by a medically uncontrollable outbreak?

I think we need to fund research, see my reply above.


User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1237 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 6):
Funding vaccine research for starters would be a great way to get started.

Every year people in the know make a guess as to what strain of the flu we will get that year. They produce as much as they can of a very effective flu vaccine. Producing vaccine for every known flu strain is impossible, it is impractical (mostly for cost reasons) to produce vaccine for every possible strain we may get that year.

Some years, they guess wrong. Being able to deal with the possible screwup is part of his job as President. I guess that makes him incompetent though, he was supposed to second guess people who know a hell of a lot more about viruses than anyone else.


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1228 times:
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Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 9):
Quoting DL021 (Reply 8):
Why do some anetters on the other team insist on calling others dear and hon and sweetie when trying to make a point? It's a little dramaqueenish, isn't it?

Because it's fun!

That's actually funny.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 9):
Quoting DL021 (Reply 8):
What other option would be appropriate if we were threatened by a medically uncontrollable outbreak?

I think we need to fund research, see my reply above.

Yeah, but until we have a vaccine? What do we do to protect ourselves against it until then?



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1222 times:

Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't . . . .

Ridiculous . . .

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 9):
Quoting DL021 (Reply 8):
What other option would be appropriate if we were threatened by a medically uncontrollable outbreak?

I think we need to fund research, see my reply above.

That's no answer. . . there is already research. Try it again . . .


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1219 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 3):
Do you have the right answer to contain a mass epidemic of a disease that we are unable to control?



Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 6):
Funding vaccine research for starters would be a great way to get started.

Rather than reactive, lets be proactive and fund research to this. Of course, this would mean taking funds away from places like Iraq and spending it on our people first.

I don't want to see our military used as a police. We have police and national guard to do that. Our miliatry has no place in a quarantine role.

I'm no expert on the flu, so I don't know how to prevent it. But again, I feel the military should not be used to control our own population.



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User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1219 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 11):
Yeah, but until we have a vaccine? What do we do to protect ourselves against it until then?

Blame Bush that it isn't going faster until he throws more money at it.

Then when he does throw more money at it we blame him for throwing too much money at a problem where money is not necessarily the problem.


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1211 times:
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Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 14):
Blame Bush that it isn't going faster until he throws more money at it.

There's something left he has yet to throw money towards?



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1210 times:

The military is necessary to operate a true quarantine. In today's society, if a county public health official walked up to a house and slapped a "QUARANTINED / BIOHAZARD" sticker on the front door, do you really think everyone will stay inside until it's removed a few weeks later?

The uneducated general public cannot be trusted to voluntarily quarantine themselves. Their feeble minds conclude that if they can't see a threat, it won't hurt them. Look at the way the general public uses self control to quarantine STD's. The only way some people will take a quarantine seriously is when a soldier points a rifle at them.

Mark

[Edited 2005-10-05 01:22:04]

User currently offlineAGM114L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1201 times:

To qoute a cnn.com artical, http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/04/bush.avianflu/index.html

"On Thursday, the Senate added $4 billion to a Pentagon spending bill to head off the threat of an outbreak of avian flu among humans. The bulk of the money -- $3 billion -- would be used to stockpile Tamiflu, an antiviral drug that has proved effective against the H5N1 virus -- the strain blamed for six deaths in Indonesia last week.

U.S. health agencies have about 2 million doses of Tamiflu, enough to treat about 1 percent of the population. The money added by the Senate would build that stockpile to cover about 50 percent of the population."


The government is already throwing money at this.


User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1179 times:

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 10):
Every year people in the know make a guess as to what strain of the flu we will get that year.

This is nothing like the "flu shot" that you are describing.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1156 times:

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 1):
And if he did nothing to insure public safety during a serious virus epidemic you would call him incompetent.

Gotta agree with the Captain here. It's just prudence to do this, especially if something big happens, in the interest of public safety.


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1122 times:

Quoting KiwiNanday (Reply 7):
On this topic, did anyone read the National Geographic article on H5N1? It was pretty interesting.

I did, and it was an eye opener. Hard to think that we're going to be able to vaccinate our way out of this one.....

Quoting DL021 (Reply 8):
What other option would be appropriate if we were threatened by a medically uncontrollable outbreak?

It's always easier to criticize than to offer a plausible alternative.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 9):
I think we need to fund research, see my reply above.

And if you bothered to read up on the issue, you'd realize that massive research alone won't guarantee we can defeat this threat.

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 13):
I don't want to see our military used as a police. We have police and national guard to do that. Our miliatry has no place in a quarantine role.

And if the local police and NG is stricken with the same deadly flu, what then? Let civil order break down?

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 13):
But again, I feel the military should not be used to control our own population.

Suit yourself. However, given the alternative of armed bands of criminals roaming the streets or the 82nd airborne patrolling until the NG and police can take over, I'll gladly choose the latter.


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1118 times:
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Quoting AGM114L (Reply 17):
The government is already throwing money at this.

figured

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 20):
It's always easier to criticize than to offer a plausible alternative.

really? i'd have never guessed by reading here.....



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1109 times:

And thus we have more evidence why gun ownership is a good thing.

If the jews where justified in attacking their captors in concentration camps, then Americans who would be subjected to this military action, would in theory be equally justified in shooting and troops that would attempt to enforce these "avian flu ghettos"



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User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1095 times:

This thread is just another reminder that certain individuals will bash, bitch, and critisize this president no matter what he does. ANYTHING he does is wrong and/or not good enough.

The fact that so many people are stupid enough to become completely warped by their political partialities continues to baffle my mind.




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User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1064 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 13):
Rather than reactive, lets be proactive and fund research to this. Of course, this would mean taking funds away from places like Iraq and spending it on our people first.

I'm siding with Bush on this one. If you read up on H5N1, you would know that governments around the world (including ours) are pouring money into finding a vaccine. However, the WHO also said that an uncontrolled outbreak could kill millions. Not to mention that people are already dying in SE Asia so a potential outbreak isn't far away. So, since the virus isn't going to wait until we make a vaccine for it, there has to be a "Plan B." Honestly, to save lives, I wouldn't mind the military/National Guard enforcing containment.



"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
25 MDorBust : You know... there might just be a small difference between medical quarantines and the holocaust... just a though.
26 TedTAce : A) This thread is about something that might not even happen B) It's NATURES way of leveling the playing field. We aren't sensible enough to stop F-in
27 L-188 : Tell that to Dr Mengele.
28 MDorBust : Are you now suggesting that the US would perfom grotesque, unethical, and completely disgusting medical experiments, that often served no better purp
29 L-188 : Hey the CIA did that for years, and probably still is.
30 Logan22L : The point here is that he digressed from difficult questions regarding Harriet Miers. Hey, people die from the flu. The weak and the old. Shit happens
31 Post contains images Mdsh00 : So you're saying that doctors should not treat people?
32 B744F : yes total anarchy is great!!! What kind of a comparison is this???? I hate the right wing and the administration but I am sorry, this is a horrible c
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