Swisskloten From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1403 times:
I always take offense at people who say "you didn't vote so shut up." That's not fair or even logical. What if two people running for public office were not good enough for you? You decide not to vote and someone tells you that you have given up your right to even complain if the nation isn't getting any better. I say BS. When there are only two choices running and neither seems qualified or experienced, there's NO law against not showing up to vote. But then, someone learns along the way that you didn't go to the voting booth and they harass you if you give your opinion on an issue like abortion or crime. I say they still have a right to speak their minds but it's their choice. Isn't choosing not to vote also part of a free society? What if you had to choose between Hitler or Mussolini? Would you agree with those who say failing to vote is no different from forfeiting that right? I disagree. Just look at the first election where it was Bush vs Gore and they were constantly saying "too close to call." I think that many if not all of the voters were unsure about whether to even vote or not. Then, it was Bush vs Kerry and some people at work said "I voted for the lesser of the two evils." A few others didn't know whom to vote for and decided not to. I didn't lash out at them or tell them to shut up. They didn't think Bush or Kerry were good enough? Fine with me. That's their opinion. Agree? Disagree? I'd like to hear what a.net thinks.
Searpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4345 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1383 times:
Voting is a responsibility, and like all other responsibilities, if you choose to shirk it, then you pay the consequences. In this case it's living with the decisions made by others that affect you. Yes, you have the right to bitch about it (free speech and all), but in my book it carries little to no weight. If you had an opportunity to affect the outcome and choose not to (and yes, that is your right), then bitch away, but don't expect me to pay any heed to you.
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AeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1379 times:
One of the most important roles of government is to operate the everyday functions of society. You yourself cannot build roads, police, put out fires, monitor public health, etc., etc., etc. Society has always traditionally either looked to a group of elders or elected a group to run affairs that are better done by designated officials, for lack of a better term, so you may get on with your life.
If you choose not to be a part of that process, then you don't have a right to bitch about it, because you've made a conscious choice to turn over the control of things you cannot individually handle in society to the decisions of others. It's not about one candidate, or one office. It's about the quality of life as you know it.
Quoting BaylorAirBear (Reply 1): Quoting Swisskloten (Thread starter):
What if two people running for public office were not good enough for you?
Write someone in.
The only excuse for not voting in this day and age is laziness. Yes, more SHOULD be done to make it an in-and-out process unlike the post midnight embarassment of the last Federal election, but I just short of GARANTEE you that no one (voting) who was out that late was at the polls when they opened in the morning.
QANTASFOREVER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1321 times:
I hate to drag out this argument, but it resonates with me:
People (your countrymen!) fought and died in wars to give you the freedom to elect your own leaders. To choose to not to vote is (in my opinion) nothing more than apathetic laziness and an affront to the sacrifices made in generations past to vest in you the ultimate sovereign power of our country.
Doona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3781 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1308 times:
I don't know about the US or other countries, but here in Sweden you're given the option voting "blank", ie. not voting for anyone, even though you submit your ballot. This way you can carry out your demcratic duty even if you don't find anyone who deserves your vote. The blank votes are counted, and always get alot of media attention, and can hopefully bring about some change when it comes to your selection of politicians.
Sure, we're concerned for our lives. Just not as concerned as saving 9 bucks on a roundtrip to Ft. Myers.
Exactly! Our democratic process has been designed to allow you to vote for whomever you like (pending eligibility). You can even vote for yourself but not voting IS wasting your vote and hence, while you have a right to complain (First Amendment, etc) I also have to right to ask you what you've done to make it better? And you better come up with something better than "I didn't vote".
So, next time you feel there's a better-qualified person for the job or you just can't bring yourself to vote for the sanctioned candidates write someone in. If anything, that's the most democratic thing you can do!
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Oneworldman From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 190 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1260 times:
I simply cannot understand why some people would choose not to vote... I was not born in this country hence I could not vote. The year I turned 18 I applied for my citizenship, so that I would be able to vote. Unfortunatley the process took so long that elections passed before I was eligible to vote. I was never more angry in my life.
I believe that as much as my ancestors went through for the right to vote in this country (I am a black man), that it would be down right irresponsible not to mention disrespectful of me to not vote.
If you don't vote you've no right to piss and moan about the President, your high taxes, bad roads, etc.
It's simply THAT simple.
OK, an analogy: You get invited to a dinner party, and the Maitre d' announces that the choices for dinner will be horse sh*t, dog vomit, or some other thing that has no chance of ever being served. Do you have a right to complain that you're hungry?
It's simply THAT simple.
Problem is, people buy into the concept that we Americans actually have a significant say in the system. The truth is, the system controls us, not the other way around. No matter whom you elect, their principles will be severely compromised by the machine that is Washington (or state) politics. I would have thought that you of all people, ANC, would believe this.
ANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1243 times:
You've used the same analogy on me before . . . it's apples and oranges my friend . . .
No vote, no bitch. We're not talking about a dinner party here . . . although the analogy is pretty accurate in that you can choose shit or shittier in a lot of elections . . . Alaska's last gubernatorial for instance. Better to have a hand in the shit than no stake in it at all . . . afterall, unless you're up to your elbows in it how can you be qualified to judge how badly it smells?
Texan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4303 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1211 times:
If you do not want to vote, that is your choice. Sometimes you are right; there are no candidates. The "lesser of two evils" thing is getting old. Jim Hightower might have said it best, "If the gods had meant for us to vote, they would have given us candidates."
I vote in pretty much every election. Some of the local ones I used to not hear about. Our local paper does a lousy job of advising us on votes they do not consider important. However, we recently had a vote on changing Dallas' government set-up from a Council-Manager system to a Strong Mayor system. It was a heated debate on both sides and it mattered to those of us in Dallas.
There will always be the lesser talked about propositions and positions on the ballot. People are always attempting to sneak new ordinances and iditiotic, redundant, and bigoted laws past us (Proposition 2 on the Texas ballot this November; gay marriage is already illegal, why the f**k write bigotry into the state Constitution?). Even if you do not like the national candidates for President or the state candidates for Senator, it is a good idea to check in and see what else is being voted on. We tend to get screwed on the smaller issues written on the ballot and that is why I think it is important to vote. My presidential vote in 2004 didn't mean a damn thing here in Texas, but my vote meant a lot on the propositions the state tried to put by us.
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N229NW From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2051 posts, RR: 31
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1210 times:
Vote for the giant douche!!!!! (Turd sandwiches are lame)
Actually, I think that if certain people didn't vote (namely republicans), the country would be in better shape...
OK, for real, I do think there is always a lesser evil, and while Logan makes a valid point about a two-party system (I am always reminded of that great Simpsons episode in which Kang runs against Kodos), the candidates are never really the same. There is still a responsibilty to vote for the person you believe will promote justice and good policy more than the other--or who will leave the door wider open to reform the system if you don't like the way the whole thing is working.
Finally, the more people vote in general, the more it sends a message to politicians that they are being watched and held responsible, the more accountable they are in the long run.
PS: In the last presidential election, so much was at stake. In that case, claims the two candidates were both crap particularly did not fly with me...
[Edited 2005-10-08 00:50:04]
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Swisskloten From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1200 times:
Quoting Logan22L (Reply 16): Problem is, people buy into the concept that we Americans actually have a significant say in the system. The truth is, the system controls us, not the other way around. No matter whom you elect, their principles will be severely compromised by the machine that is Washington (or state) politics. I would have thought that you of all people, ANC, would believe this.
Exactly my point! An example: you vote for someone who believes that (insert country name) should not involve itself in ANY wars and tries to increase trade instead. The opposition party is in control of the Bundestag/Riksdag/Parliament, etc. and vetoes/fillibusters/ignores everything that the current leader YOU voted for is trying to get passed. See the picture? Sometimes you won't get the results you want even if the person you voted for is in office.