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Bush:US Foiled At Least 10 Terror Plots  
User currently offlineThumper3181 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2481 times:

"Three targets cited were in the United States, including plans to use hijacked airplanes to attack the West Coast in mid-2002 and the East Coast in mid-2003. The White House said at least one planner of the West Coast attack was a key figure behind the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on Sept. 11, 2001.

The third was the case of Jose Padilla, a former Chicago gang member who converted to Islam and allegedly plotted with top al-Qaida commanders to detonate a radioactive "dirty bomb" in a U.S. city. Padilla, whose plot never materialized, was designated an enemy combatant by Bush and is being held without criminal charge at a Navy brig in South Carolina.

The White House said the other seven attacks included plans to:

• Bomb several sites in Britain in mid-2004.

• Attack Westerners at several places in Karachi, Pakistan, in spring 2003.

• Attack Heathrow Airport using hijacked commercial airliners in 2003.

• Carry out a large-scale bombing in Britain in spring 2004.

• Attack ships in the Arabian Gulf in late 2002/2003.

• Attack ships in the Straits of Hormuz, a narrow part of the Persian Gulf where it opens into the Arabian Sea, in 2002.

• Attack a tourist site outside the United States in 2003."

Bush said Islamic radicals are seeking to establish a "radical Islamic empire that spans from Spain to Indonesia" with Iraq serving as the main front. He singled out Iran and Syria as "allies of convenience" for Islamic radicalism.

Pentagon officials released a letter Thursday evening they said was written from one terrorist leader to another that they said confirmed administration assertions that Iraqi insurgents have a detailed plan to force U.S. withdrawal from Iraq and create an Islamic state there.

Source - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051007/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_iraq

It is clear that the terrorists have gone from killing thousands to now only being able to kill dozens in their attacks.

Obviously there are those on this board who discount it because of their ideology but the reality of the situation seems to bear out what Bush is saying.

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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9343 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2459 times:

Quoting Thumper3181 (Thread starter):
Obviously there are those on this board who discount it because of their ideology but the reality of the situation seems to bear out what Bush is saying.

I'm sorry, but not so fast. Based off of what happened on September 11, 2001, especially on Flight 93, and all the changes made to the psyche of the American individual since then, does anyone really think the same terrorist organization would waste the time, effort, and energy trying to repeat 9/11™?

And gosh, some of those seven other terrorist planned attacks. Bombs in Britain, attacking westerners in the Middle East, and attacking worships in the gulf. Deja vu?

Quoting Thumper3181 (Thread starter):
It is clear that the terrorists have gone from killing thousands to now only being able to kill dozens in their attacks.

You can't say that. Terrorism has no form, no dimensions, or rules. Terrorism is terrorism. Whether it's one person killed or 1,000 people killed...the effects are still rippling.


Sorry, but I see this as nothing more than the latest effort to keep support/attention on the war in Iraq. Move the press away from Michael Brown, Harriett Mier, and those two hurricanes.



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User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2455 times:

Pretty clear that they sat on this as a "just in case" measure for when public opinion got really low, but I hope people will analyze what they are actually saying nonetheless. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense when put into the context of our entire strategic defense against these types of attacks. Especially when you consider "foiled" might simply mean the FAA mandating the installation of secure cockpit doors.


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21571 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2453 times:

Quoting Thumper3181 (Thread starter):
It is clear that the terrorists have gone from killing thousands to now only being able to kill dozens in their attacks.

I don't view this as so much of a victory. Apart from 9/11 (when we got caught with our pants down), I can't recall a terrorist attack ever killing thousands - a few dozen is pretty much avereage for a terrorist attack. In really bad cases, you can get a hundred or two, but a thousand is an extremely rare thing.

Obviously, the less people killed by terrorists the better, but I don't see much evidence that Bush or his policies are responsible for the decrease (and, mind you, there are still bombings going on on a fairly regular basis throughout the world). Being able to stop the large-scale attacks is good PR, but it should be noted that these are the ones that fail most often, since they have so many fragile parts that have to all work properly at the same time. I think that the fact that those plans fail is more due to common sense on the part of law enforcement than anything else.

-Mir



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User currently offlineMattCLE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2446 times:

Quote:
It is clear that the terrorists have gone from killing thousands to now only being able to kill dozens in their attacks.

Obviously there are those on this board who discount it because of their ideology but the reality of the situation seems to bear out what Bush is saying.

The terrorists got lucky that they were able to kill 1000+ people on one day. Other than that day I can't think of another which that many people died due to a single terrorist attack.

The means of attack and the death toll of recent attacks is irrelevant. The fact that they are still able to carry out attacks and kill hundreds of people (London and Bali twice, Madrid, etc.) shows that they aren't giving up because they can't kill their desired amount.

-Matt


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2443 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 1):
does anyone really think the same terrorist organization would waste the time, effort, and energy trying to repeat 9/11

Yes - because we won't be expecting it.

That said: I think we ought to concern ourselves with more the bio and dirty bombs issues rather than airplanes and buildings.

Quoting STLGph (Reply 1):
Quoting Thumper3181 (Thread starter):
It is clear that the terrorists have gone from killing thousands to now only being able to kill dozens in their attacks.

You can't say that. Terrorism has no form, no dimensions, or rules. Terrorism is terrorism. Whether it's one person killed or 1,000 people killed...the effects are still rippling.

Agreed . . . . no way to measure that . . .

[Edited 2005-10-07 08:53:11]

User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9343 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2441 times:

Yes. The numbers of fear and paranoia far surpass the death toll.


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User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2439 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5):
Yes - because we won't be expecting it.

Are you serious???


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2427 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 10):
Good point. But I still think it wouldn't work. The passengers would fight back, the hijackers wouldn't be able to get into the cockpit, etc.

You better believe I would . . . if I stand a chance at getting killed by sitting on my ass or getting killed by attacking the bad guy(s), I'm going with the attack.

I think it stands as good a chance now as it did in 2001. There may be variables, such as the passengers, different weapons, etc, but the chance is there and as viable.


User currently offlineStall From Switzerland, joined Apr 2004, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2420 times:

Quoting Thumper3181 (Thread starter):
The White House said

I am no expert in counter terrorism but these kind of announcement seems more PR than anything less.

If plots were countered you either have arrested people and in this case the authorities bring them to a court or nobody has been arrested and you keep it quite to avoid attention and keep the intel work going on.

This kind of news seems to me just an attempt to improve the image of this administration.

Tough job after the WMD lies/ bad intel (pick one version) fiasco



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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2413 times:

I don't have any doubt that the administriation's focus has paid off in thwarting some attacks. But as mentioned, in counter terrorism you don't tend to advertise your efforts unless you've brought the ring leaders down. It really does feel more like spin than anything else.


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User currently offlineRobertNL070 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 4532 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2412 times:

Quoting Thumper3181 (Thread starter):
US Foiled At Least 10 Terror Plots

Single-handed?

Regards, Robert



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User currently offlineRobertNL070 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 4532 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2405 times:

Quoting RobertNL070 (Reply 11):
Single-handed?

No.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=1191415

"Bush Says U.S. and Allies Foiled at Least 10 Serious Plots by al-Qaida in Last Four Years"

Regards, Robert



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2375 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 1):

 rotfl 

Quoting Stall (Reply 9):
I am no expert in counter terrorism but these kind of announcement seems more PR

You don't have to be an "expert" at anything to smell BullShit from a few thousand miles away Big grin


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User currently offlineThumper3181 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2336 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 1):
some of those seven other terrorist planned attacks. Bombs in Britain, attacking westerners in the Middle East, and attacking worships in the gulf. Deja vu?

First off I would say to you take a look at the dates. That does not mean that they would not try again. Who knows perhaps they had to scale back the attack in order to be successful.

Quoting STLGph (Reply 1):
Whether it's one person killed or 1,000 people killed...the effects are still rippling.

The financial and psychological affects of having a successful large scale poison gas attack in one of the world's subway systems would far exceed that of a bomb going off in a resort that only kills dozens.

Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
I can't recall a terrorist attack ever killing thousands - a few dozen is pretty much average for a terrorist attack.

Ever hear of 9/11?

Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
Being able to stop the large-scale attacks is good PR, but it should be noted that these are the ones that fail most often,

It is also good for keeping people alive and keeping the financial markets calm.

Quoting MattCLE (Reply 4):
The terrorists got lucky that they were able to kill 1000+ people on one day. Other than that day I can't think of another which that many people died due to a single terrorist attack.

No but they have killed hundreds in attacks in the 90s, Bali 02, and Turkey 02???. All they got to do is get lucky once again and so far they haven't because of the work of the various military and law enforcement entities.

Quoting Stall (Reply 9):
If plots were countered you either have arrested people and in this case the authorities bring them to a court or nobody has been arrested and you keep it quite to avoid attention and keep the intel work going on.

“the White House initially would not give details of the 10 plots that Bush mentioned in his morning speech before the National Endowment for Democracy, saying some information remained classified. But in the evening, the White House released a fact sheet with a brief, and vague, description of each.”

“The third was the case of Jose Padilla, a former Chicago gang member who converted to Islam”

The glass is half full.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2329 times:

Add Thumper to the list of Bush apologists.

I don't doubt we've thwarted terror attacks, Thumper, but do you think none were thwarted during Reagan's years, or Bush 41's, or Clinton's? I'm sure our intel stopped some attacks, even before 9/11.

So to thump your chest in the name of the administration that they've stopped some attacks (with, I might add, the help of many friends-some who we've crapped on after Iraq, btw), I think it's safe to say others pre 9/11 were stopped.

I dont' think we're any safer, any more secure since 9/11. We've wasted billions on DHS, TSA, we've crapped on the rest of the world over Iraq, and sqandered a ton of good will since that time.

We've stopped attacks. Great. Doesn't mean Bush is doing a good job.


User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9343 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2315 times:

Quoting Thumper3181 (Reply 14):
First off I would say to you take a look at the dates.

What's so special about the dates listed?

This past summer. London. Subway.

And Madrid just a hop skip and a jump on the calendar ago.

Ring a bell?

Quoting Thumper3181 (Reply 14):
The financial and psychological affects of having a successful large scale poison gas attack in one of the world's subway systems would far exceed that of a bomb going off in a resort that only kills dozens.

maybe you missed all this...

From Reply #1
"You can't say that. Terrorism has no form, no dimensions, or rules. Terrorism is terrorism. Whether it's one person killed or 1,000 people killed...the effects are still rippling."


Remember, whatever happens, be afraid. Paranoia is patriotic!



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User currently offlineBigOrange From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2364 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2301 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 16):
Paranoia is patriotic!

Definitely is in this country, and it's the White House spin machine that's spreading the manure.


User currently offline11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1718 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2275 times:

"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

It's amazing to me that the Bush supporters on this website and elsewhere continue to accept his statements on face value. Bush has told us all so many fish stories over the years; it’s really hard for me to take him seriously anymore. Until someone, outside this administration can corroborate these events, I’m inclined to think it’s just more lies and bullshit presented to us by a man with zero credibility who is attempting to justify his failed policies and spectacularly bad judgment.



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2256 times:

Yeah Dubya, pound your chest for those "successes". Let's look at the attacks you didn't stop in your "War On Terror". The two Bali bombings, the two London Subway attacks (even though the second one was a dud), the Madrid attacks, and the numerous attacks in Iraq. No matter what he claims, it'll take another attack on American soil (the terrorists will be able to slip one past the goalie eventually) to prove that no matter what our gov't does, there will always be a chance of an attack. And who's to say that Islamic terrorists are collaborating with domestic groups here in the US? It has been rumored that Dirty Bomb suspect Jose Padilla is John Doe #2 of the Oklahoma City Bombing; and that the OKC bombing was a joint attack by Islamic terrorists and the white power/neonazi/militia movement. With there being a number of Muslims of African descent or immigrants in America, they can better blend in cities than a Muslim of Middle Eastern or even Asian heritage.

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2250 times:

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 18):
It's amazing to me that the Bush supporters on this website and elsewhere continue to accept his statements on face value.

Exactly. Why is that?

Are they afraid if they critisize him, it somehow diminishes them as Americans?

Are they so beholden to their political ideology that criticism simply isn't an option?

Or do they REALLY believe this guy, every time he speaks?

Tell me, what in his record makes ANYONE believe this guy? Everything he's touched has been a disaster, and it's incredible that so many people (fewer and fewer in this nation) still believe this guy everytime he speaks.

Take his pontifications on Iraq: there are still people on here, and thorughout the nations who buy the notions that 1. Iraq has buried or shipped out all these WMD we can't find; 2. That, as Cheney said as recently as this spring, that Iraq had a hand in 9/11. Neither are true; neither have anything to validate them, but these Bush ass-kissers still believe it.

It's amazing.


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2245 times:

Errm - OK. Now prove it.

Sad but true - Bush has so little credibility these days, if he said the sky was blue I'd still go outside and check.


User currently offline11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1718 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2230 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 20):
Exactly. Why is that?

Are they afraid if they critisize him, it somehow diminishes them as Americans?

Are they so beholden to their political ideology that criticism simply isn't an option?

Or do they REALLY believe this guy, every time he speaks?

I think those reasons explain some of it. I also think many of them realize that the possible consequences of a failed policy in Iraq are so severe that “losing” is simply unthinkable. Many of them react to that possible eventuality by rationalizing and equivocating their position rather than face an unpleasant reality.

For many of them the issue of pride also plays an important role. It’s very difficult for any of us to admit that someone we strongly support has made a serious error. I think going to war with Iraq is the most serious foreign policy mistake this country has made in my lifetime (44 years). It has created a distrust of our country that will last for decades. It will take a long time for some people to admit that; others never will.

Even though I’m not a Bush supporter, and I opposed our invasion in the first place, I find myself engaging in some of that same kind of wishful thinking. Somehow I hope that we can succeed in Iraq, or at least not fail terribly. Somehow I hope the honor and integrity of my country can be restored, or at least not diminished further. I can see how someone who is a big fan of Bush and his war would think those same things and cling to them even more strongly.



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User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2225 times:

This is the same type of disillusionment with the government as what happened during Vietnam and Watergate. Unfortunately, it just allows politicians to do whatever they want as the publics expectations are so low or they aren't even paying attention to actually make them accountable.

User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9343 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2221 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 20):
Are they afraid if they critisize him, it somehow diminishes them as Americans?



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 20):
Are they so beholden to their political ideology that criticism simply isn't an option?



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 20):
Or do they REALLY believe this guy, every time he speaks?

yes. because they are paranoid. and don't forget, paranoia is patriotic! love Je$u$



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25 Post contains images JGPH1A : That's what the whole world wants. If we have to have only one superpower, its a shame if that superpower has to be run by an asshole. But you guys v
26 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : I agree. And before I could even get a good comment in, you can see how many idiots have already replied to this thread. This is always going to be t
27 11Bravo : What an unkind thing to say about the president.
28 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : I had a feeling that would be twisted a little.
29 Post contains images TedTAce : It's a lot more acceptable to my wife then the redhead down the street who just graduated Highschool
30 We're Nuts : Debate like an adult and not like a child and people will respect your words.
31 Post contains images Mir : Reading can be very useful sometimes. Let me put it in bold for you: Yes, I remember 9/11 quite well, thank you. Being five blocks away from the WTC
32 N229NW : I, like many others, don't see any credibility left in this administration. It's pretty easy to gather a tiny bit of intelligence that someone might b
33 Searpqx : Absolutely - this Administration's combined policies have resulted in a massive increase in global terrorism, so I fully expect this Administration t
34 Post contains images Scbriml : I presume God told Dubya how to foil these terroist attacks?
35 Nordair : Bonnie Tyler knows how to sing it!!! -------------------------------- Where have all the good men gone And where are all the gods? Where’s the stree
36 Thumper3181 : So many fools so little time. No Falcon, not at all. I am not happy with many of the things he has done as president. In fact I was so disgusted with
37 Post contains images DL021 : Did you think that any of the Bashers would give one iota of credit to the President or the administration? The best your'e gonna get is damnation thr
38 Thumper3181 : The problem is that they are so blind they do not realize that they are doing more harm than good.
39 Searpqx : Your right, from 2001 to 2002 attacks dropped almost in half, which coincides directly with our (and the worlds) heightened focus after 9/11. But fun
40 11Bravo : ...and what exactly are your contributions to our country other than crying like a little girl on an internet forum?
41 Post contains images N229NW : With accusations like these against anyone who criticizes the current administration, you show yourself to be an extremist who would have happily sal
42 Gilligan : Clinton=Monica Bush41=No recession Reagan=Iran/Contra Carter=Hostages Ford=Well, Ford was just Ford Nixon=Cambodia Johnson=Vietnam Kennedy=Bay of Pig
43 Gilligan : Ummmm, Afghanistan is voting and making progress. There are still elements in the area that would like to bring back the Taliban but you certainly do
44 B744F : What did Carter have to do with the hostages? That was the rogue CIA who pissed off the extremists in Iran Not true Ignoring what good? That the gove
45 We're Nuts : In all fairness, that was an Eisenhower deal. Kennedy didn't even know about it until things had gone bad.
46 Thumper3181 : To bad the Bush bashers don;t do that.
47 Gilligan : Actually it was the Shah and his secret police, but aftwards Carter could not be honest with the American people and admit that there had been plenty
48 Thumper3181 : Clinton had different problems. Bush may not be perfect, but he has not perjured himself. Agree 100 percent.
49 Post contains images Falcon84 : Excellent point, and the consequences of losing there are enormous: like Twin Islamic Republics that want our asses whenever they can get it; like an
50 Post contains images Aa777jr : Falcon84, Tell us what you really think. I support the deployment of troops in Iraq, but I don't support the current presidential administration. I ca
51 AeroWesty : Interesting turnabout of events since July of this year when a Cheney/McCain ticket in '08 was advocated.
52 Thumper3181 : Iraq was by no means a weak nation. You cannot rewrite history. That said your statement is a red herring. What does it matter if it is a weak nation
53 Searpqx : Try again, his current rating is 39%, lower than any president since WWII. I'll accept the fact that Saddam fooled us all, and GWB went in honestly e
54 STLGph : listening to your beloved President tell us that we are safe because we are fighting and winning the war on terror. all in Iraq, of course. and liste
55 Falcon84 : PUHLEEEZ! What war were YOU watching back in '03. They barely had a military that could fight; they had old, antiquated equipment; if they were so fo
56 Thumper3181 : I don't have all day. Allow me to cherry pick from your rant. Because our military capability dwarfs theirs as most others. Lets see how they would ha
57 Clipperhawaii : You want the President and his policies to fail even if it is to the detriment of the country and it's people? Traitor. Reading your post Falcon, sho
58 Post contains images Falcon84 : Thanks for proving my point, bucko. They had a puny, antiquated, weak military. The were not a threat to anyone, and that's so painfully obvious that
59 11Bravo : Iraq had no capability to attack Kuwait. You just don’t know what you’re talking about here. By 2002 there were no Iraqi Army or Republican Guard
60 Post contains images ANCFlyer : While I would prefer to see PotUS succeed, it does not make me a traitor - nor does it make Falcon a traitor - to want to see him fail. Afterall, if
61 11Bravo : I'd even wager he would be perfectly content to see Bush "succeed" if that meant turning this mess in Iraq around. I know I would.
62 Searpqx : Falcon beat me to it, but since you apparently have a hard time following your own argument - you started this line of reasoning with: The 34% you qu
63 Clipperhawaii : To see the President of the United States fail is to see the country and it's citizen’s fail. After all, he is the elected leader of the country. Wh
64 Clipperhawaii : Then let us hear him SAY THAT!
65 Falcon84 : No doubt about it. It's in EVERYONE'S best interest, in both Iraq and the U.S. if we can turn this mess into something positive. But to me, that's no
66 11Bravo : That just isn't true. No matter how much you want that to be the case, it just isn't. George Bush is not the United States, and we will persevere des
67 Clipperhawaii : Wrong. I don't agree with you. Not one bit. Failure of a President is the failure of the country and it's citizens. One thing is right though. We wil
68 Falcon84 : So? Is your word like law in this land, CH? If someone disagrees with you, they're somehow a traitor? George Bush and the GOP are NOT the United Stat
69 Searpqx : So by your logic, when Nixon covered up his involvement in WG, the Country failed? When Clinton lied about a BJ, the Country failed? Both of those we
70 11Bravo : ...and how exactly do you and your lunatic fringe buddies propose to do that? Are you and your crackpot friends going to convince King George to susp
71 Falcon84 : Like I said: Seig heil, Baby. Since that's what guys like CH are leaning towards-fascism. Critisize HIS president, and you're a traitor. Critisize th
72 Clipperhawaii : I agree. But I do not want to see failure of any American President, nor do I hope for their failure, as traitors would want. Certain decisions have
73 Falcon84 : Now you're not being honest, CH, because obviously you don't. You feel anyone who wants GEORGE BUSH to fail, wants America to fail: you know, the old
74 Gilligan : Well just add me to your disrespected users list, more pretenses than wmd's were offered prior to the invasion but of course that is the only one foc
75 LTBEWR : I would not be surprised that there have been a number, even more than 10 plots foiled against the USA within it's own borders or against our interest
76 Falcon84 : ROTFL. Like that's going to make me quake in my boots, Gilligan? Think again. If you're going to start from such a position of delusional denial, the
77 Gilligan : Did I ask you to quake in your boots? Maybe you just enjoy doing it. As usual, no facts, just a derogatory statement. Sorry, that's not a lie. It's b
78 Falcon84 : Then why even say such nonsense? Like it's going to change my mind on this subject. I just laugh at you, that's all. Actually, you ignore the fact th
79 ClipperHawaii : Dishonor? That's you in hoping for failure and thus putting all their great sacrifice in vain. Enjoy your new label. You earned it!
80 Falcon84 : Get a clue, Mr. Goebbles. I clearly stated that I really hope that Iraq comes right, not because it's good for George Bush, but BECAUSE IT'S IN THE B
81 Clipperhawaii : Oh? A few hours ago you were hoping for George Bush to fail and thus fail in Iraq. Way to wiggle and backtrack Falcon. Perhaps one day you will come
82 Falcon84 : Hey numbnut, go back and SHOW ME where I said I hope we fail in Iraq. Again-and try to separate the two-if we succeed in Iraq, it isn't because of Ge
83 Falcon84 : I guess your motto, CH is something like: "Agree with Bush, or be labled a traitor". I live by the one that says "I don't have to like Bush to love Am
84 Thumper3181 : Man o man, I go away for a few hours to socialize with real flesh and blood people and look at all I miss. Hoo boy they really got you foaming Falcon.
85 Clipperhawaii : Falcon, you said you hoped that George Bush fails. If he fails, we fail in Iraq. End of story. You made a fundamental mistake in your post hoping for
86 Clipperhawaii : Oh, and on more thing Falcon. You can be very critical of the President and not be labeled a traitor. I have been critical on certain issues and I am
87 Post contains links Falcon84 : Because they asked. Duh. And when the Saudi's didn't need them anymore, we pulled them out, didn't we? No logic behind my arguments, eh Thumperboy? I
88 11Bravo : Who? Which analysts are you referring to? Where did you ever get that idea? Iraqi IAD forces didn't shoot down a single aircraft. We lost a few helic
89 Post contains images Falcon84 : The ones that were completely wrong on the WMD issue. That's what he supports his argument on. Nice, eh?
90 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : I've been fighting for our country, leader and you. I tell you this right now.......it could DEFINITELY happen again. First of all, you have no f*cki
91 Post contains images Falcon84 : =Usnseallt82,reply=91]I've been fighting for our country, leader and you. I tell you this right now.......it could DEFINITELY happen again.[/quote] Se
92 Thumper3181 : And rest assured that there are millions like me who thank you from the bottom of our heart. Pathetic. Perhaps you should remember that not only does
93 11Bravo : ...and I'm going to say this flyboy, nobody here needs to listen to a bunch of macho horseshit from some lawn-dart driver who seems to think he's the
94 Falcon84 : And rest assured, there are millions like me as well who do from the bottom of our hearts. I know Thumper has a hard time believing that, but on this
95 STLGph : remember: paranoia IS patriotic.
96 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : We had our comments off camera, but I will make a more public response later. Meanwhile, I somehow seemed to have briefly forgotten my wedding date w
97 Thumper3181 : Remember repeating the same lame phrase three times in a discusion is the sign of a barren mind. You must be a newly wed. Give it 10 or 15 years and
98 Post contains images Gilligan : In re-reading this thread I couldn't help but notice a few pearls of wisdom...... If it has no form, dimensions, or rules then how can you possibly de
99 Falcon84 : Thanks for proving my point, Little Buddy. You're full of shit, and the rest of the world knows your full of shut, but you shovel it anyway. You real
100 Itsjustme : So what you're saying is that your Commander in Chief should not speak on something he obviously has no idea about. I guess he, too, is wrong.
101 Falcon84 : Itsjustme, I don't have a problem with Usnseallt82. He and I disagree on somethings, but he's cool in my book. It is truely sad, though, commenting on
102 Thumper3181 : No one would disagree with you, but your posts in their hate and vitriol go far beyond peaceful. They where in fact inciteful and I would be willing
103 Post contains images Falcon84 : Hate? Vitrol? Dude, what are you smoking? I didn't say I want to see Bush harmed in anyway; I didn't say I want something bad to happen to him person
104 B744F : You can laugh all you want, but until you explain how Carter was responsible for the hostages caused by the rogue CIA missions working with Iran terr
105 Post contains images 11Bravo : Promote fascism? You might want to go re-read my posts there. Gotta love this forum sometimes.
106 B744F : Oops, my mistake.
107 Post contains images Falcon84 : Once again, I'm comforted about my place in the political spectrum: on the same thread, I get ripped by the fantasts of the right, like CH and Thumper
108 Thumper3181 : Here is just a small sample I could go on if you like, but I think you get the idea. Oh really. The following quote is what got you in trouble in the
109 Falcon84 : Ah, I see. So, I should just smile, when you call me a "traitor", and thank you for it? Sorry, dude, but it doesn't work that way. You call me someth
110 Thumper3181 : "Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 49): Listen closely, arsehole" "Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 49): You can go right to hell" "Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 55): you can
111 B744F : Definately, just ask the US who helped them build it in the first place Interesting, the UN inspectors would tell you differently Really? Where are t
112 Thumper3181 : I'm tired and it's bedtime so I will make it quick. A common misconception of events. Care to cite your credible sources? Not true before 2002. So how
113 Clipperhawaii : No not at all. I have been critical of many Presidents. Be critical all you want. I don't however wish that they FAIL. That's you! (And don't tell us
114 Clipperhawaii : Oh, you got some too? I refused to read the approx. 8 or so that he sent. Childish is a fitting term then.
115 Post contains images Falcon84 : Again, if you think I'm going to take what you called me with no response, you're the lunatic, my friend. A right-wing lunatic of the worst kind, who
116 Thumper3181 : I am not sure of the criteria you would use to define that. Judging from the way Clipper communicates (notice I did not say what he communicates) to
117 Falcon84 : Look at what you quoted from CH; then look at what you wrote. What does one have to do with another, Thumper? Nothing. You dodged that one as good as
118 Thumper3181 : I give up. You are getting boring and your abuse is no longer worth my time. I would just leave you with one thought. Being a middle aged ticket agent
119 Post contains images Falcon84 : ROTFLMAO. When in doubt, the lowly attack someone's chosen life. Sorry, but I think the statement above speaks more, far more, about you, than it eve
120 Post contains images Clipperhawaii : After reading your posts here and elsewhere I would say that you are the insecure one. I am critical of several issues of the President (to you that'
121 Thumper3181 : From another source on the net. Falcon84 post 22 "Actually, I'm in an Ops-type position, off the floor right now." So which is it? "Are you a liar as
122 Falcon84 : Riight. Insecure from what? From standing up to a couple of bullies who demand allegiance to something I won't ally myself with. Uh, OK. Nothing inse
123 Post contains images Falcon84 : EARNED it? It was bestowed upon me by two zealots, who can't see past their own fear and paranoia, to realize that they're the one's who have earned
124 Joni : Are we talking of the same Reagan? The one who suggested to Gorbachev that if aliens were to attack from outer space, then the US and SU should launc
125 Falcon84 : Never heard THAT one before. I remember when he got caught on mike saying something like "Congress has just outlawed the Soviet Union, the bombing co
126 Post contains images Photopilot : A recent editorial cartoon says it all. Polls are down so it's time to trot out the old "We're in Danger and I'm the Only One to Save Us" press releas
127 Itsjustme : OK, I guess I need help understanding something here. Clipper, you say you are critical of several issues of the president yet you don't want him to
128 Usnseallt82 : Please, please, please, PLEASE........don't open that can of worms. Abortion is not the subject and will elicit responses having no relevance to anyt
129 Post contains images Falcon84 : Besides, there's already a recent thread on that subject. Usnseallt82, hope you're doing well this fine day.
130 Itsjustme : You missed my point. That was just an example. I'll simplify it for you. Let's say you have strong feelings that people should be allowed to drive wh
131 Usnseallt82 : Tired of no-fly days, but otherwise doing well. And yourself? Haha......trust me, I think I got your point. It wasn't that difficult or insightful. M
132 Post contains images Falcon84 : East coast WX sucked, so it was a long day in the office, but it settled out nicely after about 5pm. No complaints from me. Still waiting for that ap
133 Itsjustme : Seeing as you contradicted yourself in the first two sentences, I think the one who is mixed up is you. First you say you would "NEVER" (by the way,
134 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : I think you are by far the most egocentric and utterly retarded person I have met on here. Don't worry, I will explain why. First of all, f*ck you fo
135 B744F : Wrong about what? wrong about tearing your revisionist history to pieces? a wise man once said... You are full of way too much hate. From your consta
136 NumberTwelve : It's interesting to see that there are still some people who believe what George W. -the Liar- Bush says. For me he is as believable as Rumsy (where a
137 Gilligan : I'd forgotten about this thread. Falcon do you have a problem grasping concepts? Reagan decides to run for President, again, in 1979. Pundits dismiss
138 Falcon84 : I get no point here, Gilligan: one, Reagan, was a man who commanded respect from even his political adversaries; Bush does out of his way to make more
139 Gilligan : You're not serious? Reagans budgets were called "Dead On Arrival" by the Democrats. Democrats spread the rumor that Reagan was only interested in pro
140 Falcon84 : You don't get it. You just don't, do you? If you knew your history about Reagan, you'd know that yes, he and the Dems had a LOT of POLITICAL differen
141 Post contains links Clipperhawaii : First it was traitorous statements and now it's hatred? Well then Lee Harvey, you are starting to scare me now. http://www.secretservice.gov/ntac.sht
142 Scorpio : Clipperhawaii, I think with that last post you pretty much illustrated what Falcon meant when he was referring to how Bush and his minions deal with a
143 Falcon84 : CH, you'll read into it what you will, buddy, and I really don't give a shit. I don't like the man; I don't like his politics; I don't like you; that
144 Clipperhawaii : Wrong......again. You can be ultra left wing and a complete radical if that's your view. It does not make you an "enemy". Just don't render traitorou
145 Post contains images Falcon84 : Translation: if you critisize my hero, I'll call you every name in the book and lable your a traitor. That's all. How pathetic. How, CH? You show me
146 Gilligan : What book history book are you reading?????????? Reagan, after breaking with the democratic party swore them off. He had nothing to do with them unles
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