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Accidentally Fired A Glock?  
User currently offlineSwisskloten From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1050 times:

Go to stupidvideos.com and type "accidental discharge." WTF? I have a Glock and I'm sure I have less experience than this guy. How could he accidentally fire the gun? It's designed so that you have to pull the trigger completely until it stops. Therefore, a half-hearted tug on the trigger won't work. I admit I have a stock trigger on mine. Is a NY trigger assembly lighter? Anyone know how he could have accidentally fired this gun? Sorry, I just don't see how it could be possible considering how the Glock operates. Did he have a six-pack before attending show-and-tell?

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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1033 times:

Quoting Swisskloten (Thread starter):
How could he accidentally fire the gun?



Quoting Swisskloten (Thread starter):
Anyone know how he could have accidentally fired this gun?

Stupid ass obviously forgot rule #3: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOU ARE READY TO SHOOT.

All the more reason a class on gun safety ought to be mandatory prior to buying a gun.


User currently offlineAGM114L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1009 times:

Ah...my finger is my safety. For better or worse it seems SOP now days. In my humble opinion you should never chamber a round until you're ready to fire. Then again I never did feel comfortable with a pistol.

User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1007 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
All the more reason a class on gun safety ought to be mandatory prior to buying a gun.

It is here in Oz.

Maybe he also forgot Rule#4 : "Always assume every firearm is loaded until you personally prove otherwise."....guess he personally proved otherwise...lol..  Silly



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1003 times:

Quoting AGM114L (Reply 2):
In my humble opinion you should never chamber a round until you're ready to fire. Then again I never did feel comfortable with a pistol.

Carrying a weapon without a round in the chamber is like taking a shower with a raincoat on . . . .

Always carry in Condition 1. When the shit hits the fan you will need the extra 2 seconds you just spent chambering a round trying to fight the bad guy. I'm always in Condition 1, I have never had a ND (Negligent Discharge) . . . . they aren't Accidental Discharges as they are usually referred to . . . they are Negligent Discharges with weapons - someone had to do something wrong. The weapon won't fire itself - especially a Glock.

An unloaded weapon is more dangerous than a loaded one.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 3):
"Always assume every firearm is loaded until you personally prove otherwise."....

Actually that is rule #1.

#1: All weapons are always loaded.
#2: Never cover anything with the muzzle you are not willing to destroy.
#3: Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot.
#4: Be aware of your target(s), it's surroundings and what is beyond it(them).


OK, cue the anti-gun nut job crowd.


User currently offlineAGM114L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 988 times:

The problem with carrying a pistol with a chambered round is that often the barrel is pointed at you. I know someone who had an accidntal discharge with a holstered pistol, probably the reason why i don't chamber a round.

The M4 was always ready to go though.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 976 times:

Quoting AGM114L (Reply 5):
The problem with carrying a pistol with a chambered round is that often the barrel is pointed at you.

Huh???

How . . . none of my holsters afford my Glock the ability to point "At" me. Now, granted, my small concealable holster - in the small of my back - and my Big Ass - combined might present a problem, but none of them are designed to have the holstered weapon pointed "at" me.

Again, no such thing as an AD . . . the handler of the weapon HAD to do something to create the situation where the weapon fired on it's own. An inanimate object - e.g. a gun - will NOT fire without proper provocation. It's a simple theory . . . just not going to happen.

While I don't doubt your word . . . one fellow GI to another . . . it sounds quite fishy to me.


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8695 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 974 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 4):
OK, cue the anti-gun nut job crowd.

Well, the problem with pro-gun people is that too many of them are also unconditionally pro-shoot.  Wink



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 966 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 7):
Well, the problem with pro-gun people is that too many of them are also unconditionally pro-shoot.

 checkmark 

I understand completely . . . goes back to that lack of training . . . .


User currently offlineAGM114L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 954 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 6):
The problem with carrying a pistol with a chambered round is that often the barrel is pointed at you.

Huh???

The way the holster for the M9 is positioned on our survival vests has the barrel pointed right at our legs and midsection, especially when sitting down. Made me fear for the family jewels. The new 'Air Warrior' system has the M9 on the leg but I think that's worse since more in the way and vulnerable to being banged around.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 950 times:

Quoting AGM114L (Reply 9):
Made me fear for the family jewels

Damned DC chairwarmers designing shit field soldiers can't use!


User currently offlineAGM114L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 940 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 10):
Damned DC chairwarmers designing shit field soldiers can't use!

Such a self hater. The blame for this falls on the guys at Mother Rucker. But I do want to know which one of you chairwarmers decided the Italian abomination we're using now was a suitible replacement for the .45.


User currently offline11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1717 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 938 times:

I'm dating myself here, but I had a M1911 AD on me through no fault of my own. I was at the range and the recoil from my first round fractured the sear pin. The other six rounds went down-range in short order. Scared the crap out of me. I damn near dropped the thing. The RSO was not pleased.


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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 931 times:

Quoting AGM114L (Reply 11):
But I do want to know which one of you chairwarmers decided the Italian abomination we're using now was a suitible replacement for the .45.

T'was not I . . . having spent most of my time in a turret, I cringed the day they took away my .45 and gave me that 9mm POS. What a waste. Fortunately, the Army has seen the error of it's ways and has decided to go back to the .45 - service wide.

Quoting AGM114L (Reply 11):
Such a self hater.

??? Surely you're not talking about me . . . hell, man, that's why I retired. I saw all the BS in Sodom on the Potomac . . . didn't impress me a bit!


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 914 times:
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Quoting Swisskloten (Thread starter):
Is a NY trigger assembly lighter?

No....it's actually several footpounds heavier. NYPD transitioned from the .38 to the GL17/19 and they demanded a heavier trigger to satisfy the same idiots who demanded they buy Ruger mini-14s for their SWAT teams because they looked less menacing.

Quoting AGM114L (Reply 9):
The way the holster for the M9 is positioned on our survival vests has the barrel pointed right at our legs and midsection,

Well, that's understandable. I would simply decock the thing and keep a round in the chamber. That way it would not have a chance to AD on you.

Quoting AGM114L (Reply 9):
The new 'Air Warrior' system has the M9 on the leg but I think that's worse since more in the way and vulnerable to being banged around.

Don't worry about it being banged around. It'll take some abuse. I would be more concerned with it getting in the way. Does it interfere with you operating any controls or ingress/egressing the a/c?

Quoting AGM114L (Reply 11):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 10):
Damned DC chairwarmers designing shit field soldiers can't use!

Such a self hater.

Oh, that's low. True but low.....  Wink

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 12):
but I had a M1911 AD on me through no fault of my own

That's what they all say.......

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 12):
The RSO was not pleased.

I'll freaking bet. Remember when the slides started breaking on the M-9's? You couldn't break the slide on the .45 without a blowtorch.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 13):
Fortunately, the Army has seen the error of it's ways and has decided to go back to the .45 - service wide.

I did not know that was for sure yet..... send me or email me that source. I'm really happy if it's true. You got better connections than I, so fill me in.



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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 899 times:

Silly military types. You should know full well that if your M9 has the saftey/decock on that there is a physical blockage which prevents the hammer from hitting the fireing spring as well as a trigger pull block saftey which prevents movement of the fireing spring unless the trigger is fully retracted to the rearmost position (ie actually pulled). Carrying an M9 with a round chambered is perfectly safe.

The NY trigger spring set on a Glock increases it's trigger pull to about 7 1/2 pounds from a factory 5. Never the less, the are tons of stories of Glocks ADing when reholstering the weapon, hanging it on things by the trigger guard... or a dozen other things that shouldn't happen with proper training.

On a side note... I really don't understand the hatred some people have for the Beretta. I carry a M96 every day as a duty weapon. It's a trade in since we aren't allowed to carry 1911's anymore (some silly git doesn't trust cocked and locked) The weapon is fine as long as you properly train with it and maintain it. Of course... the 96 is .40 not that panzy 9mm junk  Wink


User currently offlineAGM114L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 892 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 14):
Don't worry about it being banged around. It'll take some abuse. I would be more concerned with it getting in the way. Does it interfere with you operating any controls or ingress/egressing the a/c?

We have so much crap hanging off us it probably wouldn't make too much of a difference. We already fly with the kneeboard strapped to one leg and a checklist on the other. For the thunder-thigh pilots I could see it getting in the way of the cyclic by resticting the movement of their legs and for left handed shooters, the weapon would definately get in the way of the collective.

Quoting AGM114L (Reply 5):
I know someone who had an accidntal discharge with a holstered pistol, probably the reason why i don't chamber a round.



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 6):
Again, no such thing as an AD . . . the handler of the weapon HAD to do something to create the situation where the weapon fired on it's own. An inanimate object - e.g. a gun - will NOT fire without proper provocation. It's a simple theory . . . just not going to happen.

While I don't doubt your word . . . one fellow GI to another . . . it sounds quite fishy to me.

Sharing war stories on an internet forum is just plain bad policy, but this happened when the individual grabbed for his sidearm in a panic and in the process "accidently" pulled the trigger and fired the weapon while it was still holstered. Luckily no harm happened, scared the shit out of me though.


User currently offlineAGM114L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 886 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 15):
Silly military types. You should know full well that if your M9 has the saftey/decock on that there is a physical blockage which prevents the hammer from hitting the fireing spring as well as a trigger pull block saftey which prevents movement of the fireing spring unless the trigger is fully retracted to the rearmost position (ie actually pulled). Carrying an M9 with a round chambered is perfectly safe.

I know this, but just in case I forget to put the weapon on safe in the first place I don't chamber a round.

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 15):
On a side note... I really don't understand the hatred some people have for the Beretta. I carry a M96 every day as a duty weapon. It's a trade in since we aren't allowed to carry 1911's anymore (some silly git doesn't trust cocked and locked) The weapon is fine as long as you properly train with it and maintain it. Of course... the 96 is .40 not that panzy 9mm junk

Personally I have a hatred of all pistols. Its a very ineffective weapon from a military standpoint.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 878 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 14):
I did not know that was for sure yet..... send me or email me that source. I'm really happy if it's true. You got better connections than I, so fill me in.

It was in the Army Times several months back . . . . there was a thread in Mil-Av on it I started as well . . .

Back To The Future, Army Times 6/27/05 (by ANCFlyer Jun 27 2005 in Military Aviation & Space Flight)

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 15):
or a dozen other things that shouldn't happen with proper training.

 checkmark  Hence the term, Negligent Discharge.

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 15):
Silly military types.

 irked  Watch it Junior  wink 

Quoting AGM114L (Reply 16):
this happened when the individual grabbed for his sidearm in a panic and in the process "accidently" pulled the trigger and fired the weapon while it was still holstered. Luckily no harm happened, scared the shit out of me though.

I can see where your pucker factor would have increased by 10 or so!  wideeyed 


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 864 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
All the more reason a class on gun safety ought to be mandatory prior to buying a gun.

Never learned as much about gun safety as I did from my dad. While education is good, I can't help but wonder if this would be used as a back door to licensing of firearms and their owners.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 4):
Always carry in Condition 1. When the shit hits the fan you will need the extra 2 seconds you just spent chambering a round trying to fight the bad guy.

Don't quite agree with that. With practice it is pretty easy to work the slide without training. I understand the Israeli's carry chamber empty. But what do I know, I use a single action revolver for bear protection.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 4):
Actually that is rule #1.

#1: All weapons are always loaded.
#2: Never cover anything with the muzzle you are not willing to destroy.
#3: Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot.
#4: Be aware of your target(s), it's surroundings and what is beyond it(them).

Good rules, but I would swap two and three.

Quoting AGM114L (Reply 11):
But I do want to know which one of you chairwarmers decided the Italian abomination we're using now was a suitible replacement for the .45.

It was a trade, we got to use Aviano, we got the M-9's.

It isn't the pistol that actually bothers me, is is that no-power 9mm cartridge.



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User currently offlineSwisskloten From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 849 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 15):
hanging it on things by the trigger guard...

What kind of moron hangs, of all things, a LOADED handgun by its trigger guard? I don't understand this practice at all. True that the Glock has a moving safety in the trigger but that's no excuse for skipping safety procedures. If the gun was pointed face down and resting on the trigger on the peg, the weight of the gun itself will deactivate the trigger safety! I guess some people should seriously consider forgetting law enforcement or the military if they can't think about handling firearms properly. I've been acquainted with firearms before I was old enough to drive and I have NEVER had an accident. It really is simple: don't be lazy. If you have to do one extra thing like open the cylinder to check the revolver, then do it. If you have to go back to the safe, take the rifle out of the bag and empty the magazine, then do it, puhleeze! It scares me how one lazy little thing can invite disaster like it did in that video.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 825 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 15):
The NY trigger spring set on a Glock increases it's trigger pull to about 7 1/2 pounds from a factory 5. Never the less, the are tons of stories of Glocks ADing when reholstering the weapon, hanging it on things by the trigger guard... or a dozen other things that shouldn't happen with proper training.

Or you could go with the Polish solution.

I just picked up a P64, which was their adaptation of the Makarov and the PPK.

Came from the factory with a 20lbs trigger pull.






No that twenty pounds isn't a typo. If you fire it double action, it is a 20lb pull.

Good thing the single action is much more normal.



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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 808 times:

I've got a hungarian PA-63.

Pretty much the same deal. A ppk clone chambered for 9x18 and standard equiped with two school busses and an elephant trying to keep the trigger forward.

Have to love those eastern bloc guns...


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 805 times:
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Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 18):
It was in the Army Times several months back . . . . there was a thread in Mil-Av on it I started as well . . .

I remember that, but I don;t remember the article being definite. I'll look again.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 19):
I understand the Israeli's carry chamber empty.

Yeah and the SAS carry their Hi Powers locked and loaded with the safeties removed. It's all training and philosophy.



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User currently offlineIAH777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 0 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 791 times:

Department lore tells the tale of a detective here (Houston) who once dropped trou to pinch a loaf at the office. Being a plainclothes officer, he wore his sidearm in a holster on his trouser belt. To keep it off the nasty floor, he drew his weapon and hung it by the trigger guard on the coat hook on the stall door. That action subsequently emptied the magazine into the ceiling and he had some explaining to do.

User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 25, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 725 times:

I've heard of Glock ADs when trying to stuff a pistol inside a pocket, or a waistband. Glocks take extra care when re-holstering the pistol, and keeping your trigger finger along the frame when drawing. After shooting over 25,000 rounds, never in all the years a Glock AD.

Those who have stupid Glock ADs, should have their pistols taken away until they get educated in using a firearm.



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