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Sports Rivalries: What's The Point?  
User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1525 times:

Yankee fans are pretty much limited to New York.

Angels fans are pretty much in and around Orange County.

Angel fans hate Yankee fans. And vice versa. They hiss and boo each other, sometimes even getting into fistfights over whether or not that really was a strike or a ball.

Why?

It's just baseball. Most people, other than sitting in a bar drinking cheap beer and eating stale snacks have no other vested interest in the teams whatsoever. many of these barflys are in their 40's and 50's and probably couldn't even throw a baseball more than 20 feet, let alone play in the game.

So why are people so defensive about their teams?

Is it because they are searching for an identity and someone to align themselves with?

Or is it just a meaningless, self centered "I'm better than you" mentality?

Somebody please explain to me this behavior. Because to me, baseball (and other "pro" sports are little more than low grade entertainment and just an excuse to park your wrinkly butt on a couch or barstool.

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User currently offlineWrenchBender From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1779 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1514 times:

No Yankee haters are everywhere. You know the kind, 'I support xxx and anyone who is beating the Yankees.'

Quoting Matt D (Thread starter):

Is it because they are searching for an identity and someone to align themselves with?

Pretty well got it, a need to identify with a winning cause at any cost.

I may not be a huge baseball fan but I am a fan of Canadian Football (season ticket holder), attend as many Rugby matches as I can at all levels. I am not a team fan though, more just a lover of the sport.

WrenchBender



Silly Pilot, Tricks are for kids.......
User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9518 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1511 times:

the answers to all of your questions lie in...

A win--
"We really kicked ass today"

A loss--
"They blew it today."

A good game--
"Kurt Warner is the best quarterback in history!"
(heard during the 1999 season)

After one or two fumbles--
"Why do we bother to keep Kurt Warner on the team. He's worthless."
(heard during the 1999 season)



you should come to St. Louis and see all the crap going on for Busch Stadium. the newspapers and news shows were running people who were in tears because the stadium is being torn down.

someone asked what my opinion on the stadium being torn down was.

my response....

"The monotony of Susan Lucci losing 18 years in a row was more entertaining."

didn't go over well. at all.



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User currently offlinePsa53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3095 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1503 times:

From NY came the rivalry:

SF Giants Vs. LA Dodgers MLB

LA Rams(was) Vs Sf 49ers NFL

Chargers Vs Oakland NFL

Best rivalry of all today MLB:Red Sox Vs. Yankees

1980's NBA: Boston Celtics Vs. La Lakers

Quoting Matt D (Thread starter):
So why are people so defensive about their teams?

Boasting rights.Especially when a title is on the line.



Tuesday's Off! Do not disturb.
User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4683 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1481 times:

Quoting Matt D (Thread starter):
Or is it just a meaningless, self centered "I'm better than you" mentality?

My team is better than your team!
My truck is bigger than your truck!
My Penis is bigger than your penis!

It's all the same for 98% of the people who buy into a rivalry.

However, I dislike any and every East Coast team and the Media outlets that cater to these teams and their lemming-like fans. It's ok to believe that your the best but when it isn't the case and no credit is served to a team that beat them, well it's almost laughable. Case in point, Fox and ESPN announcers saying over and over how the Yankees made mistakes that allowed the Angels to win - never once said how the Angels pressured the Yankees into making mistakes, not once. And Game Two was the worst with Joe Morgan and Fat A$$ the announcer just orgasming whenever the Spankees got a hit, but mellow and reserved when the Angels did likewise - it was if the Angels never existed... Therefore, that is my reason to for disliking East Coast teams....

Ok, the Angels were 5-1 @CWS and 2-2 here at home, watch how this will never get mentioned in a positive manner in tonights telecast, sure, playoff baseball is different from regular season ball, but still, we should be favored - even with Colon gone (thank God, I thought he was a liability).

T



"Sing a song, play guitar, make it snappy..."
User currently offlineSwisskloten From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1469 times:

Quoting Matt D (Thread starter):
It's just baseball. Most people, other than sitting in a bar drinking cheap beer and eating stale snacks have no other vested interest in the teams whatsoever. many of these barflys are in their 40's and 50's and probably couldn't even throw a baseball more than 20 feet, let alone play in the game.

It's just SOCCER. Most people, other than sitting in a bar drinking cheap beer and eating stale snacks have no other vested interest in the teams whatsoever. Many of these barflys are in their 20's and 30's and probably couldn't even kick a ball more than 2 meters, let alone play in the game.

Nice coincidence huh? I don't find it a coincidence that it still fits when you switch out the words baseball and soccer! biggrin  Seriously, mate, you need to see a few of those d*mn hooligans over in Europe. It gets pretty rough out there! I mean they even attack the cops for trying to break up the fighting! I'm a big Manchester United fan but, unlike those hooligans, I don't attack cops or punch people out when MU loses a game. I just go to the next one! Some sports fans (soccer AND baseball AND football) have no dignity. Sad but true. Oddly, I have never seen a riot break out at a rugby match although the competition can be pretty heartbreaking.


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1452 times:

Because everybody knows the Detroit Red Wings suck, end of story.

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1448 times:

Quoting Matt D (Thread starter):
Yankee fans are pretty much limited to New York.

ROTFL. Go anywhere the Yankees are on the road, and you'd be amazed how many Yankee fans are attending-and they're NOT New Yorkers. They're usually bandwagon frontrunners from other towns, who root for the Yankees to be seen as "winners".

Same is true whenever the Lakers hit the road. A bunch of frontrunner numbunts.  Silly

Best baseball rivals:

Yankees v. Red Sox
Dodgers v. Giants

Best Basketball

Lakers v. Celtics
Lakers v. Pistons

Best Football

Browns v. Steelers
Bears v. Packers
Redskins v. Cowboys


User currently offlineLHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1447 times:

Quoting Aerobalance (Reply 4):
However, I dislike any and every East Coast team and the Media outlets that cater to these teams and their lemming-like fans

Dude, How's my fandom different from yours? I became a Yankees fan because that's where my dad took me to see games when I was a little kid. Sorry if it makes me a lemming.

At least we have tradition on the east coast; parks where the focus is baseball... not amusement rides or swimming pools, or fake waterfalls papier mached into the outfield. And you won't see those inflatable noisemakers or a nonsensical monkey in Fenway, Yankee Stadium, or Wrigley, either. Thanks for letting the announcers goad you into denouncing us.



"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1443 times:

Quoting LHMark (Reply 8):
And you won't see those inflatable noisemakers or a nonsensical monkey in Fenway, Yankee Stadium, or Wrigley, either.

Yeah, but that nonsensical monkey is in the ALCS, not the teams that reside in Fenway or Yankee Stadiums.  bigthumbsup 


User currently offlineLHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1440 times:

What, is it DHing? That's a good way to get poop thrown all over the dugout.


"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1432 times:

It's human nature to favor some things over other things, sports and sports teams included, and perhaps "home" teams more specifically.

The point is that most folks have opinions and favorites and rivalries, Matt. Regards...jack



all best; jack
User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1430 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 6):
Colorado Avalanche suck, end of story.

Yeah, good point.


User currently offlineATCT From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2349 posts, RR: 38
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1422 times:

Personally Im a Red Sox fan, so go sox beat the yanks.

Im also a HUGE Penguins fan which means I HATE the Washington Capitals. Dont ask me why, its just I do. Probably some psychological thing behind it.

(Go Steelers beat the Browns!)


ATCT



"The way to get started is to quit talking and begin doing." - Walt Disney
User currently offlineBigOrange From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1393 times:

Quoting Swisskloten (Reply 5):
Oddly, I have never seen a riot break out at a rugby match

I have seen numerous riots at rugby matches in the UK. I was once on a charter bus leaving a game, we got pelted with rocks by the opposing team's fans, resulting in a few broken windows. We had a police escort out of town anyway, but the idiots didn't see the cop car following behind with only his headlights lit. Needless to say they were arrested.

Another game I went to we were pelted with rocks from inside the ground as soon as we got off the bus.

In the UK the rivalry seems to be between towns and this spills over into sports.


User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1379 times:

Complaining about things other people care about (for whatever reason): What's the point?

Somebody please explain to me this behavior. Because to me, complaining (and other "bitching and moaning" activities) is little more than low grade self-entertainment and just an excuse to park your wrinkly, hypocritical ass in front of your computer in an attempt to place yourself above others with different beliefs/ideas of entertainment.

Why are people so concerned about what other people do for fun?

Is it because they are searching for an identity and hope to find it by degrading other people's hobbies?

Or is it just a meaningless, self centered "I'm better than you" mentality?


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17825 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1377 times:

Pro sports are a lot like religion....a bunch of crazy people...believing in low quality leaders and nonexistant gods that do nothing for them. Pat Robertson looks and sounds no different to me than a crazed Yankees fan.


E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineGLAGAZ From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2004, 1983 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1374 times:

RANGERS VS CELTIC.....NO COMPARISON !!!

Recently named the most hate fueled derby in the world, sounds bad but go to a match and you'll love it. Nothing, well maybe some things, but very few things can beat the atmosphere.

Gaz



Neutrality means that u don't really care cos the struggle goes on even when ur not there, blind and unaware
User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1371 times:

Quoting Nosedive (Reply 12):

You hate detroit. Don't you have some spotting to do?


User currently offlineKovi17 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 366 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1365 times:

How could anyone forget the rivalry between Montreal and Toronto in hockey?!?!


We dont worry about small things like that...
User currently offlineSmithAir747 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1640 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1353 times:

Although I'm not a big sports fan, I do love the all-American sport of baseball (even though I have made a second home in London!).

My all-time favourite MLB team is the St. Louis Cardinals; even though I live nowhere near St. Louis (in fact, FWA is my hometown), I have been in St. Louis so many times during my childhood (throughout the 1980s to 1991) for so many craniofacial surgeries at St. Louis Children's Hospital that I have adopted St. Louis as my favourite US city. Consequently, I adopted the Cardinals as my favourite MLB team. As Dad (or sometimes Mom) drove me through downtown St. Louis on I-64, I could not help but look, wide-eyed in awe, at the huge Busch Stadium sitting there like a UFO just beside the freeway. Even though I was mainly going for medical reasons, I grew to love St. Louis (and its hometown team) as my own. I dreamed of someday going to a Cards game on their home turf.

My dream finally came true in June 2002, while I was attending a craniofacial family support group retreat in St. Louis. On the last day, before I came home, someone in the group (Children's Craniofacial Association) had given me a ticket to that day's game at Busch Stadium! I had to park my rental car blocks away and walk to the stadium, but once I got there, I was thrilled to see my Cardinals blast home run after home run in rapid succession during the 3 innings I was able to stay there before catching my flight home (STL-ORD-FWA on AA). An experience that I will never forget--being INSIDE Busch Stadium's arch-trimmed roofed structure, seeing the Gateway Arch outside (another familiar sight from my many trips to St. Louis).

Now I hear Busch Stadium is being razed! A sad thing for me, as the stadium holds the most memories for me!

My other favourite team is my hometown, Fort Wayne, IN, Wizards (an A-level team affiliated with the San Diego Padres); once or twice a year I (and my family) faithfully attend a Wizards game at "The Castle"!

SmithAir747



I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made... (Psalm 139:14)
User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4683 posts, RR: 46
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1347 times:

Quoting LHMark (Reply 8):
I became a Yankees fan because that's where my dad took me to see games when I was a little kid. Sorry if it makes me a lemming.

A few fish do swim freely on their own.... You don't strike me as one to follow the crowd...

Quoting LHMark (Reply 8):
not amusement rides or swimming pools, or fake waterfalls papier mached into the outfield.

I'll cry foul when that stuff ruins where my focus is - between the lines.



"Sing a song, play guitar, make it snappy..."
User currently offlineSLC1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1343 times:

Sports are a way to vent our war-like tendencies in a constructive, friendly, and entertaining way way. It's natural to favor your team over your rival as would a warring country over their neighbor. There really is no "point" per se, it's just what we do, and if you choose to promote the rivalry, what's the difference?

User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1335 times:

Quoting SLC1 (Reply 22):
constructive

WTF? Maybe for the players ($$$ and exercise) but other than that I'm not sure what you're talking about.



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