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9/11 & Pentagon. Seen It All, Heard It All, But:  
User currently offlineKay From France, joined Mar 2002, 1884 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3617 times:

We all know the story of flight 77 that hit the pentagon, and how many said "no plane existed".

Same pictures, same text. But this flash movie is nevertheless extremley well made. An entertaining watch!

http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm#Main


Hope it hasn't been circulated around many times on this board already
Kay

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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3608 times:

Well-made bullshit. Similar to Michael Moore's movies.

User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3599 times:

Oh dear lord... not again.

User currently offlineAviation From Australia, joined Dec 2004, 1143 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3587 times:

That is an interesting film.

But no comment.



Signed, Aaron Nicoli - Trans World Airlines Collector
User currently offlineSulman From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2035 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3581 times:

I have problems with all the 9/11 conspiracy theories, largely based on the fact that the President can't even get a blowjob without the whole country finding out, so a conspiracy involving a cast of thousands doesn't really get off the blocks.


It takes a big man to admit they are wrong, and I am not a big man.
User currently offlineEddieGunsmoke From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3577 times:

Why don't they just release the films to eliminate all doubts these people have?

User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3561 times:

Quoting EddieGunsmoke (Reply 5):
Why don't they just release the films to eliminate all doubts these people have?

Do you want films of your family dying all over the internet?


User currently offlineJush From Germany, joined Apr 2005, 1636 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3521 times:

Big fat dog muck.

Regards
jush



There is one problem with airbus. Though their products are engineering marvels they lack passion, completely.
User currently offlineNoelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3503 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 6):
Do you want films of your family dying all over the internet?

Not particularly but I'm sure the relatives of all those on board the WTC planes and in the towers wouldn't particularly either....there has been no problem showing those where many more people died....


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3497 times:

I put this topic up there with the following repetitive stupid threads:

Braniff Ad on South Park
Northwest DC-9
How do I upgrade
A v. B.
Anything TedAce puts up.

Please someone delete this!


User currently offlineNoelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3487 times:

One thing I will say though, there are maybe half a dozen quotes in that video supporting this dude's theory.

Take a look at http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/witnesses/crash.html and http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/witnesses/jetliner.html. A much more objective website, with an awful lot of quotes describing exactly what officially happened - an AA 757.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3476 times:

Conspiracy theory   .

I guess you'll have to convince the dozen or so people that I know personally that witnessed that AA75 fly into the Pentagon otherwise . . . and you'll have to convince the widow of SGM Lacey Ivory differently . . . maybe you can tell her where they Lacey's body - since it wasn't recovered . . .

Geeeez I hate this crap.

[Edited 2005-10-12 15:26:44]

User currently offlineBristolFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2292 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3457 times:

Remove the word 'but' from the thread title and that's as far as we need to go on this subject. What a load of BS.

BF



Fortune favours the brave
User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3445 times:

Well made?

So if you can make a production look "MTV" enough it becomes credible?

It was utter drivel. And what was that absurd music about? I know I'm watching a Twilight Zone episode - you don't have to remind me.

What are all those initials after the names of the "witnesses?" Did any of you even think to question that?

Did anyone notice that some "witnesses" said it screamed like a missile or a fighter jet and one says it just went ffft.

Did anyone notice that the "Pentagon Security Camera" video loop began with the fireball? Ever seen film of a plane crash? The fireball happens many frames after the impact!

"Can a 757 punch a hole in reinforced concrete walls?" DAMN RIGHT it can! Stupid stuff.

Whatever happened to critical thinking?



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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3436 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 6):
Do you want films of your family dying all over the internet?

If it would reveal the truth, yes.

The video itself is interesting. If people want to address that and the points it makes rather than just throwing it out the window as bullshit, then we can have an honest discussion. Because I think the video makes some valide points, as long as they're not fabricated. The quotes are interesting.

On the other hand, some of the "questions" posed at the end of the slide show when you mouse over "9-11 The Ultimate Truth" are kind of ridiculous. The main hole I see in a conspiracy theory on the Pentagon strike is that if it wasn't an American Airlines B757 flight, where is the aircraft? Where are all the people that died on that flight?

The part about the videos being confiscated though, still interests me.



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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3434 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 14):
Because I think the video makes some valide points,

Name One!



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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3429 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 14):
The part about the videos being confiscated though, still interests me.

Video taken at or immediately after the impact is evidence. In terrorism cases it has been Federal policy to confiscate ALL evidence since years before 9/11.

There are NO questions of any merit brought up here. The answers are stupefyingly obvious. This could only be of interest to a person who passionately wants to believe in some evil conspiracy.



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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3427 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 16):
There are NO questions of any merit brought up here. The answers are stupefyingly obvious.

Alright, then answer them. Rather than just dismissing it in one swoop, just answer the issues posed by the video.



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User currently offlineNoelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3420 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 16):
Video taken at or immediately after the impact is evidence. In terrorism cases it has been Federal policy to confiscate ALL evidence since years before 9/11.

So why then wasn't the video from the towers confiscated? Particularly the very first footage where the film crew just happened to get a shot of the first plane flying overhead and hitting the building?


User currently offlineVSLover From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1897 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3415 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 6):
Do you want films of your family dying all over the internet?

laughable claim, at best.

how many specials and how many hours of tv time have been taken up by those two towers being struck or falling?

oh, i'm sure the THOUSANDS of families dont mind seeing that again and again.


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3408 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 17):
Alright, then answer them. Rather than just dismissing it in one swoop, just answer the issues posed by the video.

Take off the tinfoil hat! Every last damn one of them has been answered in this forum over
and over
and over
and over
and over
and over
and over
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again.

Do just a tiny search. There will be hundreds of posts shredding these silly-ass questions.



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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3402 times:

Quoting Noelg (Reply 18):
So why then wasn't the video from the towers confiscated?

Oh! You got me! I must be a total liar.

Either that or it is possible to duplicate videotape?
Or a piece of video was shot from a mile away and doesn't show anything of interest?

Once again, we see a post from a person who seems to think that a provocative question actually disproves something.

I'll ask again, whatever happened to critical thinking.
Lost art!



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User currently offlineVSLover From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1897 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3400 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 20):
Take off the tinfoil hat! Every last damn one of them has been answered in this forum over

HAY!

if we took of the tin foil hat, we never would have invented the flux capacitor!


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3394 times:

Quoting VSLover (Reply 22):
we never would have invented the flux capacitor!

"Flux capacitor?" You mean that part of a girl's thong that shows when she bends over in low-cut jeans?

Okay then. I take it back.
 Smile



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User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3372 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 6):
Do you want films of your family dying all over the internet?

Do you want to remain clueless your entire life? (hint: say no)

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 14):
Because I think the video makes some valide points, as long as they're not fabricated.

Here's your problem with that question: 'as long as they're not fabricated.' Since you seem to find some sort of valid point in this video, why don't you tell us what YOU think is interesting and NOT fabricated.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 16):
This could only be of interest to a person who passionately wants to believe in some evil conspiracy.

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Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 17):
Rather than just dismissing it in one swoop, just answer the issues posed by the video.

How about you ask the questions that you're confused about, then we can give you some evidence already known.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 20):
Take off the tinfoil hat! Every last damn one of them has been answered in this forum over

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Quoting SlamClick (Reply 21):
I'll ask again, whatever happened to critical thinking.

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25 Rj111 : It's understandable that people question the existence of the 757 at the pentagon, there does appear to be an unusual lack of evidence. But there seem
26 AeroWesty : I didn't need the Zapruder film to know my president was dead. Even today, the manner in which it is used on occasion is vulgar to me.
27 SlamClick : Many of us who served at the lower echelons of the military might have suggested once or twice that this would be a smart move in event of a war, but
28 Tbar220 : Ok, one of the things pointed out in that video was that the lawn of the pentagon was pretty pristine. Another is the lack of airplane parts. Another
29 Post contains images NWA742 : I need the -NWA742[Edited 2005-10-12 20:06:04]
30 Post contains links and images NWA742 : Oh wait, let's go ahead and start with the basics as to why this is Have a read: http://www.snopes2.com/rumors/pentagon.htm -NWA742
31 SlamClick : Google "United 585" images to see another "pristine" lawn. Except for a small grassfire this one swallowed up a whole 737 with hardly a trace. It can
32 SlamClick : Get a good video of a crime being committed and see if your local police don't confiscate it! (cue the twilight zone music) Look, just go back up to
33 Post contains images MDorBust : Didn't you know that an airliner crash causes an omnidirectional blast akin to that found with airburst nuclear warheads that not only produces huge
34 KFLLCFII : It's too bad that none of the passengers are still around to tell us first-hand what REALLY happened to their flight...
35 Newark777 : And don't forget that the first picture of a 757 belly was stolen from this site. And why should we listen to a bunch of eyewitnesses saying it sounde
36 SlamClick : Ed Zachary! I sat in a class in aircraft accident investigation with maybe thirty other military-pilot student safety officers. The instructor told u
37 Post contains images EA CO AS : So tell me, conspiracy theorists - did someone take the time to gingerly place this piece of aluminum on the lawn that shows part of the "AMERICAN" ti
39 EZEIZA : I tend to not believe eye witnesses. Especially those that say "it sounded like a missile". Have they ever even seen a missile? However, and I am not
40 Newark777 : That's because most crashes occur around landing or takeoff, when the plane is going relatively slowly. It usually just breaks up, leaving large chun
41 Post contains links EA CO AS : Me too. Here you go: http://www.snopes2.com/rumors/pentagon.htm
42 Post contains images Birdwatching : You guys seem to forget ONE essential piece of evidence. How come the flag was waving? Is there any wind on the moon?
43 MDorBust : Neil Armstrong farted.
44 Post contains images ANCFlyer : You're kidding right? You've been smoking some green tobacco or hitting the screw top wine a little hard!?!?! Ridiculous. I don't need any further pr
45 Post contains links AeroWesty : http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html#flag "In the shot of the astronaut and the flag, the astronaut is rotating the pole on which the fl
46 DeltaOwnsAll : 9/11: The Ultimate Truth makes a strong case for the idea that September 11, 2001 marked the moment when our planet entered the final phase of a diabo
47 ANCFlyer : Thanks for that reply Westy,l don't know how I missed that the first read through!!!
48 EZEIZA : Fair enough, I would never expect to see any big chunk of the fuselage or any other part, but there have been accidents at cruising speed (twa, egypt
49 AeroWesty : Hit water Is not water
50 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : Beat me to it!
51 4holer : So I'm sitting around a healthy campfire drinking beers with some friends. As guys drinking beer are apt to do, eventually the empty aluminum cans beg
52 SlamClick : Of course not. At temperatures just above its melting point, aluminum will puddle, can be poured. It is important not to let too much oxygen get to i
53 Dc863 : "What happened at the Pentagon" garbage as we see here is only the tip of the iceberg for nutty conspiracy theorists when it come to 9/11. I've seen s
54 Peterk : Even IF all the conspiracy theories were true - would we subject ourselves to the instances of the terrorists and "conspiracists"? Not just because so
55 Kay : 1- didn't mean to start a controversy, i can see some people are very fed up with these theories. 2- if i had to vote, i'd say there was a 757, becaus
56 NWA742 : Of course. It pisses people off. Any person with a hint of common sense can realize that these conspiracy theories are complete bullsh*t. Not only th
57 Post contains images EddieGunsmoke : What I find most ridiculous is the conspiracy theory that the two aircraft that hit the twin towers fired missiles onto the buildings seconds before i
58 EZEIZA : I don't think that its an insult to the families of the people that died on that attack, but rather, if there is a "conspiracy" (which I stress that
60 Erikwilliam : had seen it before. It does have some conspiracy appeling, but it also has some valid points. Aloutgh we may never know the real truth behind this, I
61 Post contains images Newark777 : It must just be you; the rest of us do know the real truth. It was an AA 757. 767's hit the WTC, not 757's. Harry[Edited 2005-10-13 15:53:44]
62 SlamClick : Name one.
63 MDorBust : In the interest of playing devils advocate.... I looked. I found: "At 9:38 AM" Yeah... that's where it ended.
64 SlamClick : You are qualified to make that judgement - how? Have you ever seen a 757 hit a reinforced concrete fortress? Google "United 585" to see how small a h
65 Erikwilliam : ok then, you stick to yours and I´ll stick to mine. wasn´t the first hit a 757 and the second a 767???I´m confused now. We had a 757 in pentagon,
66 MDorBust : Actually, unless you happen upon an unluky downburst, flying an aircraft at very low altitude over flat terrian is relativly easy due to the ground e
67 Erikwilliam : wouldn´t know that my man. But if you´r saying you must have some knowledge, so I´ll belive in you.
68 Newark777 : Although it would be hard to control, it wouldn't stall, since it was going at close to cruise speed. And it did strike the ground before hitting the
69 AeroWesty : Nope. 767's hit the WTC--both towers. A 757 hit the Pentagon. Another 757 ditched into a field in Pennsylvania.
70 Fbgdavidson : Conspiracy theories, while, bullshit do make for some interesting reading or viewing. 9/11 certainly seems to have sprung a number particularly with t
71 Usnseallt82 : You're right.....you're not. Or else you would have realized the simple fact that one is a TOWER and the other is a GROUND-LEVEL concrete fortress. T
72 Peterk : Interestingly, the people bandying these conspiracy theories, are also the first to give reason to terrorist acts - how contradictory![Edited 2005-10-
73 Post contains images SlamClick : The Pentagon is stronger than any building you've ever seen. This "event" destroyed the structural integrity of it, along the base of the outer ring,
74 BristolFlyer : For those that think that it wasn't an AA 757, just answer this one question - which has been asked a number of times already in this thread but seems
75 Post contains links and images Corey07850 : Look like aircraft parts to me: Courtesy: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/...1_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html Can we delete this thread now?
76 ANCFlyer : As many have already corrected your commentary . . . and if I were you, I'd pay attention to them . . . particularly SlamClick's reply #73 . . . rath
77 Post contains images NWA742 : IF there was a conspiracy, then it would be an insult for the families to not know the truth. But it's NOT a conspiracy -- that's the whole point.  
78 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : I am completely with you on this fact and am truly dumbfounded as to how some can STILL continue to spew horse shit.
79 AeroWesty : I always thought it was just a complete understanding of the definition of the word "inertia". The Pentagon had the inertia of rest, and the 757 had
80 Post contains images NWA742 : Definitely agreed. But remember that the conspiracy theorists who continue to spew this crap will never change. They are idiots, they are attention w
81 NWA742 : That's another fine way to see it. -NWA742
82 Post contains images Banco : Ah well. At least it makes a change from the "Diana was murdered" bollocks. But it really is extraordinary the lengths people will go to to try to dis
83 SlamClick : We were discussing that here the other night at the old retirement castle. We know a number of otherwise intelligent people who believe in one or ano
84 Banco : I've seen others argue that the rise in belief in conspiracy theory mirrors the decline in religious belief in the west. The argument being that peop
85 Post contains links and images Newark777 : Just as a sidenote, read the description on this photo: View Large View MediumPhoto © Phil Derner Jr. - NYCAviation Harry
86 STT757 : Yeah, what a coincidence. Islamic Fundamentalists were planning a airplane attack in NY on the same day the CIA were planning one in Washington.
87 Post contains images Newark777 : Haha, I can see it now, the CIA agent running into Mohammad at the airport. "Oh, hey, what are you doing here?" Harry
88 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : "Uh...............uh..................doo-tee free. Best shops in world!" (strong accent)
89 Post contains images EZEIZA : I think we are more or less saying the same thing
90 B744F : Wait a second, I'm confused. First it was going so fast that it crumbled into a million pieces, but only punchured a small part of the building. But
91 Corey07850 : For some people it's much more easier to make a blanket statement and ignore the blatant evidence than to actually do any researc
92 Post contains links and images Usnseallt82 : Shocking quote of the century. You have absolutely no credible knowledge of the world today. The CIA aided overthrowing the Soviet invasion of Afghan
93 NWA742 : There's a big shock. The airplane did break into millions of pieces. Think about it B744F, something as large and heavy as a 757-200, going 550mph, s
94 Newark777 : I'm not aware of the temperature of burning jet fuel, but I am aware that burning jet fuel is very capable of setting many other things on fire, thin
95 ANCFlyer : Blinding flash of the frickin' obvious. I can't even begin to entertain your reponse. I dont' know where to start, and I've not the inclination to ge
96 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : Right on the money. The sad thing is, everyone else knew it too. Should say something to you, B744F. The whole world's wrong and you're right? Pathet
97 Post contains links SlamClick : Now that is what this thread needed. A cricket infestation. Everyone, go look at his profile. http://www.airliners.net/discussions/profile.main?usern
99 SlamClick : I have "The Aircraft Gas Turbine Engine and its Operation published by Pratt & Whitney and it shows Tt10 or exhaust nozzle temperature of an afterbur
100 Post contains images Newark777 : And we all saw from the smoke on the video that there was a nice breeze that day. Thanks again for your great first hand knowledge. Harry
101 Usnseallt82 : Exactly. And at that level, how ever many stories up, on the towers was probably a good enough height to have some pretty sustained winds, especially
102 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : Exactly.
103 B744F : Credible knowledge? You mean like the CIA funding Bin Laden, training what became the Taliban? Having a direct link to the Pakistani Intelligence Ser
104 Jafa39 : We're back to Occam's Razor, a la "Did man land on the moon?" thread, it is far easier to fly a 757 into the Penatgon than to fake it..period (as they
105 Post contains images NWA742 : I can fold and bend a soda can without melting it, it's metal, and it can melt too. Do you really not realize that steel weakens exponentially under
106 Kay : Back in university, a course called Science of Materials was very interesting, but even without it, I think it would be easy to imagine that metal be
107 ANCFlyer : The only thing that will correct B744Fs "facts" are a refreshed memory download from his Mothership or a quick tightening on the foil hat he's wearin
108 Erikwilliam : ok, thx for correcting me. too small. good for you. what does that have to do with anything? that I think it´d be hard to control a plane so close t
109 Post contains links EddieGunsmoke : I really recommend you all to view the videos and the photos on this page: http://www.sandia.gov/news-center/video-gallery/index.html#rocketsled That'
110 BristolFlyer : There have been many, many programs about the events that day and why the buildings collapsed. You obviously haven't seen them as you wouldn't believ
111 SlamClick : A forum is a court, of sorts. It is a no-jeopardy court, we are merely debating, discussing, but some principles apply. Every court in the world cons
112 SlamClick : This is everything you need to know about B744F. Engine manufacturer says . . . B744F discredits it. Offers nothing, nada, of his own, just discounts
113 Post contains images Erikwilliam : , following this line of thinking I just gave my opnion to this. You may be an expert at buildings and planes, I´m not. If I´m wrong I´ll agree th
114 SlamClick : But you have not done so. That is the entire point. People who actually know what they are talking about have corrected you and you continue to belie
115 Erikwilliam : Guess you don´t really know Brasil. Many here would do that, but it´s a different discussion. sorry to say, but you´r way off on this. This type o
116 SlamClick : read it again:
117 David L : You're one of those who subscribe to the theory that he should have run around like a headless chicken, frightening the children? What could he have
118 Post contains images BristolFlyer : Sometimes you've just got to point out the obvious in order to get through to people! BF
119 NWA742 : Not even the most obvious of things can get through to B744F. He's stuck in his own distorted little world, and I doubt there will be any coming back
120 B744F : Wow thats news to me! The WTC was made out of aluminum! WRONG! Try a few thousand So because of strikes to the upper part of the most reinfornced bui
121 11Bravo : He's referring to smoke color analysis which is a standard technique used by firefighters as a component of hazard risk assessment. Smoke color is of
122 Newark777 : B744F: Just answer this: how were the explosives placed into the building without anyone noticing? Controlled demolitions involve the careful placing
123 Post contains images NWA742 : Yeah, ignore the point, as always. WRONG YOURSELF. https://www.aitc-glulam.org/shopcart/Pdf/superior%20fire%20resistance.pdf STEEL WEAKENS DRAMATICAL
124 Post contains links and images EddieGunsmoke : Another good site: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/...1_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html And check out the video "1.3MB .mov file" at http://www.s
125 Post contains images David L : For goodness' sake! You said: When is smoke ever "the colour of intense flames". You do realize the difference between smoke and fire, right??? I sur
126 B744F : Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, let me speak slowly The color of smoke changes with the intensity of the flames. The hotter the flames, the more the smoke is blac
127 NWA742 : Hahaha. Now you're just avoiding the truth again. You know I'm right, you know you're wrong. You just can't bring yourself to accept it can you? Agai
128 David L : Yay! You can do it!
129 Post contains images NWA742 : Hmmm, perhaps you should set yourself on fire and see if the smoke gets more black as the flame intensity increases. You know, just to be sure.   
130 BristolFlyer : B744F, when in a hole stop digging. You've come up with some of the most ridiculous ideas/opinions/whetever you want to call them and you've skirted a
131 NWA742 : Trust me, he isn't -- he's really not joking with this stuff. Look at his history of posts. -NWA742
132 Post contains images David L : Flame intensity already increasing... no need to set himself on fire.
133 Post contains images JeffSFO : This can be his new logo: [Edited 2005-10-14 22:47:53]
134 Dc863 : I think I know who B744F is and he is a notorious tinfoil hatter on other "Bush did 9/11" websites. Just ignore him. He and some of his friends are re
135 B744F : I see nothing of the sort, but you continue to believe what you want and refuse to think outside the box. Everything is as it appears, nothing is odd
136 NWA742 : You're avoiding the truth that steel weakens significantly, up to 90% of it's strength over temperatures of 1400 degrees fahrenheit. Did I say that?
137 JpetekYXMD80 : B744F- You are leaving me in awe.
138 Navymidn : Hey, I can't sit back and watch this anymore. To address the issues one by one. 1) Why did President Bush sit in a classroom for an hour after the att
139 B744F : I'm not avoiding the truth, you tried to claim 400 degrees is enough to cause a collapse Enough to collapse a 120 story building because the top 30 o
140 Newark777 : I would suspect so when a 110 story building collapses. People are inheretly stupid, especially when it comes to eyewitnesses, and especially you. Bu
141 NWA742 : Yes you are, and now you're twisting my words around. I NEVER said that 400 degree was enough to cause a collapse. I said that 450 degrees or more is
142 Post contains links Navymidn : For anyone looking for an educated perspective on this, I suggest you try http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/collapse.html Also, here is the article Dr
143 MDorBust : Have you ever tried picking a school out from the air? Not nearly as easy as say... the Twin Towers is it? Given tight controls on the POTUS's schedu
144 Molykote : Since it has appeared more than once I will ask you to correct you spelling from this point forward. Consider this a polite suggestion before you lec
145 JpetekYXMD80 : There is a difference, you are defying logic.
146 Aa757first : A simple question to anyone who subscribes to this theory. Where is American Airlines' Boeing 757 if it didn't crash? If you know where it is, America
147 ANCFlyer : I can't believe this frickin' thread is still going. Here's the bottom frickin' line. Anyone believes that anything other than an AA757 hit E-Ring on
148 Post contains images NWA742 : I'll drink to that. I am suddenly dumbfounded as to why I've taken time to even respond to his bullsh*t. There's only one thing left to say: -NWA742
149 L-188 : Man, I can't believe I stayed away from this thread.....quite entertaining. Uncle Sam on the sign.....Being the Emberar plant I would have expected a
150 David L : 30 floors are enough to take down the one below. Then you have 31 floors taking out the one below them, 32 floors taking out the one below them, etc.
151 SlamClick : Exactamundo! I once threw a big handful of wet algae, right out of the creek onto a campfire. It produced whitish smoke. It produced smoke the same c
152 Kay : What's wrong with you? You're wasting my time and everybody's arguing that metal doesn't weaken when heated? It's nobody's job here to teach you phys
153 Post contains images Usnseallt82 :
154 L-188 : Just play with an Oxy-Acytelyne torch. remove the oxygen and you have a cold yellow flame with a lot of smoke production. Add the O2 and the smoke go
155 SlamClick : Exactly right. I'd forgotten that. It's been thirty years since I did any gas welding. The other thing, also relevant is that if you are welding smal
156 Post contains images Agill : I just wanted to thank everyone in this thread. It's an interesting, informative (at least most of the posts) and hillarious read.
157 L-188 : I don't know for sure, it has been 5 years since I took that welding class. But I would say that you are close on your guess of coal. I think the ans
158 Post contains images Kay : Maybe we should have studied the case of liquid-metal cyborg model T1000 before making all these hasty comments about metal weakening with temperatur
159 Post contains images SlamClick : Here is proof - a CIA cyborg photographed leaving the WTC after planing bombs. - signed B744F
160 Post contains images Kay : Actually, that's not what I read.. I read that these are the missiles themselves leaving the building, and that is one of them here casually photogra
161 SlamClick : You know the real problem with CIA cyborgs don't you? Under civil service work rules they must retire after thirty years. This means that they will co
162 L-188 : Common, John Conner was in hiding....he did not work for Cantor Fritzgerald.
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