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Can I Kill My Conjoined Twin?  
User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2967 times:

Now, i brought this up in the abortion thread, but no one responded to it. One of the biggest arguments in the abortion debate is that it's the woman's body, she should do what she sees fit with it. But what if I had a conjoined twin, and wanted to kill it? It's my body, I should be able to do what I want with it. And conjoined twins are much more "connected" than a mother and her unborn child.

Harry


Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2960 times:

You have a conjoined twin?
What's his name? Hoboken777?



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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2953 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 1):
You have a conjoined twin?



Quoting Newark777 (Thread starter):
But what if I had a conjoined twin, and wanted to kill it?

And I would probably name it Elizabeth777, a much more fitting name.  Wink

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2937 times:

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That said, go ahead, if you feel like lugging around a 100-lb suitcase for the rest of your life.


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 42
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2936 times:

Why do people have to make generalised arguments/fights about things that happen, maybe, one time in a million cases? Can't things be solved on an individual basis? Do we really need laws that offend millions of people, give thousands of others they affect hell and serve their purpose in maybe two or three cases? Do lawmakers really have to micro-manage everything?

If the answer is yes, then have fun going the "German way": an over-regulated society that screams bloody murder every single time a minor issue is about to be changed.



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User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3018 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2894 times:

No one answered you in the other thread because it is a stupid question.
It is not the pithy tidbit of wisdom you have convinced yourself that it is.

But to answer the question... Yes, kill it. Goodbye.



Ghosts appear and fade away.....................
User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2877 times:

Quoting 4holer (Reply 5):
No one answered you in the other thread because it is a stupid question.
It is not the pithy tidbit of wisdom you have convinced yourself that it is.

But to answer the question... Yes, kill it. Goodbye.

Hilariously and eloquently perfect.



An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineSaxdiva From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2382 posts, RR: 41
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2863 times:

Dude, if you REALLY want a dead body hanging from you for the rest of your life, far be it from *me* to stop you.  Yeah sure

User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2854 times:

I would suppose you could kill your conjoined twin, but think about it. If you kill that person while still conjoined, you'll die too within a matter of days, if not hours. The decaying corpse will poison you. There is no escaping that. Regards.


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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2835 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 4):
Why do people have to make generalised arguments/fights about things that happen, maybe, one time in a million cases? Can't things be solved on an individual basis?

Law IS a generalisation. By your logic, we should not have laws, but cops and judges can decide on the spot what is right or wrong according to what side of bed he got up on that day.


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 42
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2814 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 9):
Law IS a generalisation. By your logic, we should not have laws, but cops and judges can decide on the spot what is right or wrong according to what side of bed he got up on that day.

You didn't read the bit about micro-managing, did you? If something is regulated "well enough" by one law, I don't see why every single variation of it has to be regulated by ten more laws. This is, of course, about things you'd have to debate or go to court for, not about parking rules or similar every-day regulations.



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineMrocktor From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1668 posts, RR: 49
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2806 times:

It's not a stupid question. Doctors have had to make the decision of sepparating conjoined twins (usually soon after birth). Frequently one of the twins is not capable of independent survival.

On the other hand, assuming the conjoined twins are adults and one wants to kill the other, that would be murder - and possibly suicide. If you remained conjoined to adulthood, it's probably becasue one or the other - or both - cannot survive independently.

Difficult question.

mrocktor


User currently offlinePeterk From Germany, joined Dec 2003, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2802 times:

Yes, I can.

As my whish to die and my brothers wish to live weigh in the same.

As we share the same property, this case cannot be covered by law.

It is a personal thing between the two siblings and no one else´s business.



Something perfect can only get worse
User currently offlineEilennaei From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2740 times:

Interesting. I know some people from the local medical school, where I was once shown an X-ray of a living human heart that had a very small "conjoined twin" embedded in it, actually one could as well talk of a "non-growing growth". Seems the "twin" can be anywhere in the body, but a heart-sited one is a wicked one to deal with.

User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2713 times:

This thread is dumber then Stuart at an ErikWilliam convention.

User currently offlineAirbusA346 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 7437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2687 times:

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 8):
I would suppose you could kill your conjoined twin, but think about it. If you kill that person while still conjoined, you'll die too within a matter of days, if not hours. The decaying corpse will poison you. There is no escaping that.

But where is the conjoined twin, inside or outside your body. Is the conjoined twin alive or dead.

Quoting Peterk (Reply 12):
Yes, I can.

As my whish to die and my brothers wish to live weigh in the same.

As we share the same property, this case cannot be covered by law.

It is a personal thing between the two siblings and no one else´s business.

WTF are you on about, are you and Newark777 related.

Tom.



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User currently offlineEilennaei From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2642 times:

Conjoined twins are always identical twins. Those twins are of the same genetic makeup and can live inside or connected to each other quite happily indefinitely. When either one dies, and no essential organs, circulation, etc are being shared, a quick separation operation would save the remaining one's life.

User currently offlineSLC1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2625 times:

Only if it's parasitic, otherwise no.  smile 

User currently offlineTheCoz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2621 times:

What would happen if two conjoined twins (one controlling each handle bar) got into a motorcycle accident, but only one had insurance and a license?

User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3592 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2617 times:

No, but your brother has my permission.

(Sorry, but I couldn't resist)


User currently offlineN229NW From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1950 posts, RR: 31
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2599 times:

Oh like a moth to the flame, maybe I'll be the first to give you a serious answer:

I don't think you can compare an adult (or child) human who is attached to you to a few cells in a developing embryo. Abortion is a tricky issue, but why do pro-life people act as though all abortions occur in the ninth month of pregnancy?

An abortion at an early enough stage is entirely different. (See Logan's pictures)

If you want to have a debate about when a human becomes a human, then that's an interesting question. I can understand religious ideas that this happens at conception, but that notion IS based on faith rather than studying the development of the fetus, and thus I personally believe it is not appropriate to legislate based on that idea when it has so many negative results (personal and social). All this, however, is perhaps for a more serious thread...

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go hang off the toilet while my conjoined twin drops a load...

[Edited 2005-10-13 01:45:41]


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User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2589 times:

Quoting TheCoz (Reply 18):
What would happen if two conjoined twins (one controlling each handle bar) got into a motorcycle accident, but only one had insurance and a license?

The one without the insurance wouldn't have a leg to stand on.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13608 posts, RR: 61
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2581 times:
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Quoting Aloges (Reply 4):
Do lawmakers really have to micro-manage everything?

If the answer is yes, then have fun going the "German way": an over-regulated society that screams bloody murder every single time a minor issue is about to be changed.

Should they? No. Do they? Yes, unfortunately. American society has been headed this "German way" you've mentioned for the past 30 years.



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User currently offlinePeterk From Germany, joined Dec 2003, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2573 times:

Quoting TheCoz (Reply 18):
What would happen if two conjoined twins (one controlling each handle bar) got into a motorcycle accident, but only one had insurance and a license?

1 Concerning the license:
1.1 The one not holding a license was guilty to a certain extent, as you are only permitted to drive a vehicle if you have one.
1.2 The one holding a license would also be guilty to a certain extent, because of letting some one drive who does not have a license.

2 Concerning the insurance of the vehicle:
2.1 In general there wouldn´t be a problem about the insurance, as the vehicle needs only to be covered by one insurance.
2.2 In this particular case the insurance wouldn´t have to pay to the fullest extent because of 1.2

3 Concerning health assurance (assuming that only one of the affected people has it):
They would pay for the treatment of both, because their lives depend on each other.

4 In general:
A conjoined twin can easily be accused of compliancy - hence the question of punishment is concerned.



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User currently offlineTheCoz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2556 times:

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 21):
The one without the insurance wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

Ha ha, ya, what if one twin controlled the legs and the other controlled the arms?

Quoting Peterk (Reply 23):
4 In general:
A conjoined twin can easily be accused of compliancy - hence the question of punishment is concerned.

What about a hostage situation? If the twin who controlled the arms was holding a gun to the twin who controlled the legs, what would happen?


25 Peterk : What´s so special about that? It´s a simple hostage situation. (At first you can neglect some curiosities as what would happen if he actually shot)
26 AGM114L : This brings me to a question... If my conjoined twim commits murder, would I have to go to jail too?
27 Peterk : As far as I know... Sure. Keeping the risk from the public of your sibling being a persistent offender outweighs your personal freedom. As for yourse
28 4holer : If my conjoined twin impregnates a woman who subsequently has an abortion, would her conjoined twin or me be a more irresponsible baby killer in Matt
29 Post contains images ManuCH : How do conjoined twins have sex?
30 4holer : Depends on where they are joined. If they "make a Y", having 2 heads and 1 set of legs, they'll only have one set of garbage as well. If they "make a
31 Post contains links Eilennaei : You should ask this person: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1581626/
32 David L : Then there'd be no 'arm in it. That would be incest.
33 Post contains images AA61Hvy :
34 B744F : Speaking of hypocrisy, Does anyone find it the least bit interesting that the vast majority of people who are pro-life when it comes to babies, are ex
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