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User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11657 posts, RR: 15
Posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1993 times:

Since there are theorys floating around out there about "Intelligent Design vs. Darwinism" how about this:

According to Christians, God created humans in his image. He created first man, then woman but He created both. Meaning: He has the ability to be both genders. It would stand to reason, from that, it should be acceptable if a man wants to spend his life with another man or if a woman wants to spend her life with another woman or whatever the case and that sex was given to us for creation and not necissarily a means to keep the same opposite gender partner forever. What do you think?

GO CANUCKS!!


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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1986 times:

I think your going to get flamed faster then the punk that Bernard Goetz dropped on the subway.

That being said....
I don't think you are barking up the right tree...trying to make a religious justification for homosexuality is like trying to use the titanic to explain Hydroplanes.

[Edited 2005-10-12 21:58:11]

User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1974 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 1):
I think your going to get flamed faster then the punk that Bernard Goetz dropped on the subway.

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I also think that the "events" that you base your opinion on can be deciphered a million different ways and too many people on here think their word is the be all end all.


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1965 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 1):
That being said....
I don't think you are barking up the right tree...trying to make a religious justification for homosexuality is like trying to use the titanic to explain Hydroplanes.

Ted,

You are such a paradox. Sometime I can agree with you, like your statement above which is so well put, and on other occasions, well you already know.


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5111 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1964 times:

Quoting Seb146 (Thread starter):


He created first man, then woman but He created both.

I always wondered why he didn't do both at the same time?

Oh, yeah...the book was written by men. Gotta keep women in thier "place", and what better way then to say they were created from the rib of a MAN, then put the entire blame of "original sin" on women as well.



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User currently offlineBR076 From Netherlands, joined May 2005, 1086 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1960 times:

He created one woman and one man , So every orgy is some kind of family affair  eyepopping 




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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1955 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 3):
Ted,

You are such a paradox. Sometime I can agree with you, like your statement above which is so well put, and on other occasions, well you already know.

One of these days I might even bother to figure MYSELF out.


User currently offlineTheCoz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1944 times:

"And I say unto thee. Thou shalt take up no sword, nor grain, nor camera in the name of lust. The sheep of two nations forbid you great reward and will bring a terrible plague on your livestock in the field—on your horses and donkeys and camels and on your cattle and sheep and goats." Ralph 14:3

User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1937 times:

Couldn't offer much here. I'm a 5th generation celibate myself.


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User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1898 times:

Golly gee whiz I actually thought this thread might be about a more general "sexuality" instead of just homosexuality... but I guess that's what I should expect from past history. It's too bad that your topic line doesn't accurately reflect the sliver of sexuality that you're actually addressing.

God has no gender, but He has given us purpose and laws. You are also confusing "gender" with "biological genotype." There is no place in the Bible that encourages or blesses homosexual relationships. There are many places that condemn homosexual behavior. That makes it pretty clear to me.


redngold



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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1894 times:

Quoting Redngold (Reply 9):
There is no place in the Bible that encourages or blesses homosexual relationships. There are many places that condemn homosexual behavior. That makes it pretty clear to me

Good for you.
I hope you refrain from wearing clothes made of more than just one fiber and are servile to your husband too.

Quoting Redngold (Reply 9):
Golly gee whiz I actually thought this thread might be about a more general "sexuality" instead of just homosexuality... but I guess that's what I should expect from past history

Why?
Do you have sex too?


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1884 times:

Quoting Redngold (Reply 9):
God has no gender, but He has given us purpose and laws

If God has no gender then why do you call god a "He"?


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1880 times:

Quoting KROC (Reply 11):
If God has no gender then why do you call god a "He"?

I'm curious if He is really hung too.

After all, He is God. If you were God and you could make yourself, wouldn't you be Hung like a mule too?


User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1859 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 10):
I hope you refrain from wearing clothes made of more than just one fiber and are servile to your husband too.

We've been over this before and I'm not going to dignify your silliness with an answer.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 10):
Do you have sex too?

Relevance? Sexuality can be expressed and experienced without intercourse.

Quoting KROC (Reply 11):
If God has no gender then why do you call god a "He"?

Tradition and ease, like most other reasons why people assign genders to sterilized pets and inanimate objects. But you already knew that.



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User currently offlineScarletHarlot From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 4673 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1828 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 4):
they were created from the rib of a MAN,

Moses' account of the creation in the book of Genesis is so familiar and so entrenched in our cultural heritage that many accept as actual historic fact the assertion that Woman was created from one of Adam's ribs.

Science has railed against such simple beliefs for centuries. Last week, at a dig in the escarpments along the western shore of the Dead Sea, archeologists have uncovered ancient, original texts that pre-date Moses' writings by 1,300 years. Translated, their account of life's beginnings on earth are much more scientifically plausible.

"... and God created Woman, giving her three breasts to succor her young. And God spoke, saying to her, "I have created thee as I see fit, but mine is no longer the only opinion in the universe (sigh). Is there anything about thee that thou would prefer differently?"

And Woman spoke, saying, "Lord, I am not made to birth whole litters; I do not need but two breasts."

And God said, "Thou speak wisely, as I have created thee with wisdom."

There was a crack and a lingering odor of ozone, and it was done, and Woman stood holding her third breast in her hand.

"But what shall be done with this useless boob?" Woman exclaimed.

And so it was that God created Man.



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User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11657 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1825 times:

My original post was not to justify homosexuality. I know the laws Moses gave to the Isrealites condemns the act. If an omnipotent being was capable of creating both genders of all life forms, then that being either has no gender (not likely) or both genders (more likely) and wanted to keep the two genders separate. Remember that God walked with Adam and Eve before they ate of the forbidden fruit. So, what about a theory that, even though we have one gender or another, we are still able to have the thoughts and desires (not the correct word, but close) of both genders since our creator does.

Again, this is not trying to justify homosexuality, but rather I am looking for a good discussion on this theory.

GO CANUCKS!!



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User currently offlineScarletHarlot From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 4673 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1819 times:

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 15):
I am looking for a good discussion on this theory.

Seb, I doubt that you will achieve such a thing. Those who believe enough in the bible to discuss with you will likely already be prejudiced against homosexuality, and those who would be more open minded about it will likely already be prejudiced against religion. Good luck.



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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1790 times:

Quoting Redngold (Reply 13):
We've been over this before and I'm not going to dignify your silliness with an answer.

Its because you haven't one.
Bible thumpers are often dumbstruck and tongue-tied when confronted with logic.

Quoting Redngold (Reply 13):
Relevance? Sexuality can be expressed and experienced without intercourse.

Yes, there is also oral sex. Fancy, you knowing something about it !


User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1751 times:

Go to the source, the Bible ...
Leviticus Ch. 18 & Ch 20
Deuteronomy 22:13-30
Romans 1:18-32
I Corinthians Ch. 7
I Timothy 1:9-11



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User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3011 posts, RR: 46
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1739 times:
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In my opinion, the bible is just yet another bestseller phantasy book written by men. To me this has just the same importance like what JK Rowling writes in "Harry Potter": a book can't tell humanity what is morally right or wrong. Everyone needs to know and decide that with his own brain. Considering the bible a law today, in year 2005, is beyond my understanding. Now flame me  Smile


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User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1726 times:

Quoting Redngold (Reply 13):
Tradition and ease, like most other reasons why people assign genders to sterilized pets and inanimate objects. But you already knew that.

My "sterilized" pets still have Gender. And for all the feminists out there saying God is a woman and such, where is the "ease" or "tradition"? If God has no gender as you claim, then you cannot call it a "he". Its that simple. Fact is, you have no idea about what god is, his actual existance or anything like that. You are basing this off quite possibly a work of fiction.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 17):
Its because you haven't one.
Bible thumpers are often dumbstruck and tongue-tied when confronted with logic.

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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5111 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1719 times:

Chrisitian sexuality comes with so many conditions it hardly seems worth the effort.

-Born Again Pagan



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks ago) and read 1708 times:

Quoting KROC (Reply 20):
You are basing this off quite possibly a work of fiction.

I would have said "You are basing this off of a work of fiction based on a few loose truths. "


User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1701 times:

Quoting Redngold (Reply 9):
God has no gender, but He has given us purpose and laws.

So how do you think IT is like then? Your post is one of the silliest I have read on anet  Silly

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 10):
Do you have sex too?

No, she is probably a virgin and prays to god to give her a son or a daughter

Quoting Redngold (Reply 13):
Relevance? Sexuality can be expressed and experienced without intercourse.

are you a virgin by experience..? It's not that freakin', silly  Silly

Waiting for the next bible lesson on what god thinks, ACCORDING TO YOU


User currently offlineHAJFlyer From Switzerland, joined Sep 2005, 1473 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1702 times:

Quoting Bluewave 707 (Reply 18):
Go to the source, the Bible ...
Leviticus Ch. 18 & Ch 20
Deuteronomy 22:13-30
Romans 1:18-32
I Corinthians Ch. 7
I Timothy 1:9-11

Bluewave707, while it is nice of you to name some relevant sections of the bible doing so does not necessarily advance this discussion as there are various viable and contradictory interpretations out there.

Click here to view one that most likely doesn't conform with your own views.


25 Seb146 : Bluewave 707: We all know what the prophets say about *the act* of homosexuality. My question is: what do you as a Christian think about sexuality (*P
26 KROC : I could live with that.
27 Mrniji : I fully agree! But at the same time, it is necessary to "tolerate" the others, who do not subscribe to that very life style and not to try to dogmati
28 Jaysit : Perhaps, Redngold can entertain us all with her visions of sexuality, although whenever I view American Gothic, sex is the last thing that comes to mi
29 HAJFlyer : While this is a silly or should I rather say amusing example, it demonstrates the substantial shortcomings of trying to interpret the bible only in a
30 SFOMEX : That would be an interesting topic. The link between Christianity and sexuality is, IMHO, full of misunderstandings and misconceptions. For instance,
31 Oneworldman : The following excerpt comes from the Doctoral dissertation of the Rev. Dr. Greg Jones, it pretty much somes up my feeling on this whole issue. "For st
32 Oneworldman : Where are these many places? If you are talking about Leviticus, then I suggest that you are a hypocrite. If not please point out all these other pla
33 Post contains images HAJFlyer : From cathedral of hope: "What does the Bible really say about homosexuality? Actually, very little. Most significantly, Jesus said nothing at all. Co
34 Post contains images Oneworldman : I guess what I am trying to say is...I could not agree more!!!
35 Post contains links TACAA320 : http://www.christianadvice.net/sexuality.htm
36 Jaysit : You contradict yourself there. If sex is a wonderful part of our nature, then there is no reason for it to be condemned and circumscribed for those w
37 Jmc1975 : No he didn't. Read what he wrote dammit!
38 Jaysit : Yes, he did, but it appears that you're too thick to get through the garbage.
39 Post contains images Mrniji : LOL! ! Is he? By the way, where is Anets first female priest and anets moral consciousness gone?? Praying to god that all this nihilism from us unhol
40 HAJFlyer : Probably thinking about admitting defeat as she realises that she cannot counter some of the arguments made.
41 Post contains images Mrniji : This is because God and the bible, along with Jesus Christ, told me to defeat my heretical enemies
42 Seb146 : But, if she has some modesty (which is rare these days) perhaps she does not want to answer these questions. I am really not concerned with what she
43 Post contains images Mrniji : Quote of the day! - Great, very good.. As I can infer from these lines: Christianity does NOT equal humanity
44 Dvk : Since you take the Bible quite literally, it's interesting that you say God has no gender. This is not stated in the Bible. In fact God is a he every
45 Oneworldman : Glad I could be of some help. Last week was actually my first time coming into the Non-Av side of this site. I really did not know what to expect. Ne
46 Post contains images HAJFlyer : It was actually the interesting discussions in non-av that convinced me to join about a month ago after having read threads intermittently in the civ
47 Post contains images Mrniji : Wonderful post! But "it" (Redngold) interprets the bible the way "he" likes and tries to play the pope of anet.. luckily the audience is understandin
48 Seb146 : But, consider this: That is one flaw of the English language. We have no word for a genderless being except "it." My opinion: The people that transla
49 Bluewave 707 : What do I think? Read the Bible ... and follow the instructions! Sex is fine, as long it's within marriage, and between one man and one woman. The Bib
50 Post contains links Oly720man : Sex is a biological function to make babies, it's just had the misfortune to get mixed up with emotions and social and religious ideologies and thoug
51 Post contains images Mrniji : - I do not see any "misfortune" here, but the positive sides.. hey. it's all about disrational emotions
52 Post contains images HAJFlyer : I wish everyone discussing these rather controversial topics on a.net were so mature as to express their opinion without condemning those how disagre
53 Post contains links and images RedDragon : Although I disagree with the sentiment, Redngold is right in that sexual orientation is a subset of sexuality as a whole. We never do seem to have di
54 TACAA320 : Which ones?
55 Mt99 : Save your keystrokes. He left me hanging in a past thread. He never adressed some point he said he would.
56 TACAA320 : When?
57 HAJFlyer : I have to side with Mt99 here; it seems to me as well that whenever you get yourself into a tight spot, you tend to answer with cryptic remarks that
58 TACAA320 : That's apparently your problem and Mt99. Period.
59 Post contains links Mt99 : "Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 118): Don't worry. The answer is yes. Ok.. Ill keep checking until you reply then. " In the following thread: http://www.air
60 Oneworldman : Hmmm... I am thinking that either you are a Professor at Oxford, (but you being the tender age of 21-25, I doubt it), or you simply did not understan
61 TACAA320 : You are giving me the reason. Is this a competition? Is about to win or about to discuss? I think is the second, and there is no judge.
62 Mt99 : Ok fine. You can use the excuse i gave you. Does that mean that you will be addressing the points in that thread and on this one? Since you like to c
63 TACAA320 : Right! And thanks for the corrections. The second [discussing]IS the correct one. Two questions: What? and Why? First: We discussed this theme to dea
64 Mt99 : What does that mean? If you'd prefer to say it in spanish....please do so. I would like clear answers from you. I am not backing down. Never reached
65 Jafa39 : My 2 cents worth....read up on Sodom and Gomorrah, I think it explains the biblical viewpoint HOWEVER!!! That is just an observation and don't get all
66 TACAA320 : I'm not the only one in this forum. "Man becomes man only by his intelligence, but he is man only by his heart. Henri Frederic Amiel" I prefer if you
67 Mt99 : See. You always do that. You asked for my opinion on "Christianity and Sexuality"". I gave it to you, you ignored it. You back away, instead you choo
68 Post contains images HAJFlyer : Very well said Jafa39. The fact that someone is trying hard to be a decent, courteous, friendly individual willing to help others in need is MUCH mor
69 Jafa39 : Spot on mate! I wish my new mother-in-law could get her head round that one!!
70 TACAA320 : Nor I have 12.
71 Bluewave 707 : There is a huge gap between FAITH and RELIGION! FAITH is believing in something you cannot see, but know it exists ... God. It also is putting your he
72 Mt99 : Is this were you are leaving this argument? I thought you wanted to discuss. Dont say later that you "missed" my posts on this thread too. [TACAA320
73 PA110 : Faith by its very nature is an individual's own beliefs. Get a group of folks together who share the same beliefs and voila!, you have religion. The
74 Seb146 : But, not only was there homosexuality being practiced in Sodom and Gomorrah, but also other wicked acts and such things as witchcraft, prostitution,
75 TACAA320 : You though wrong. Get over and over the same theme again? NO. I will not follow your little game as in the past. You perfectly know my position in th
76 Mt99 : I dont want to fight. I want to discuss. If you want to leave the discussion, its your perrogative. But remember: it is you who is leaving. It is you
77 TACAA320 : Well. You may discuss with others, if someone want to do so. Yes, it's my prerogative, and I will do it. Don't worry: I have a good memory. As you sa
78 RedDragon : ...And the problem of, I'd guess, a majority of the people who've argued with you in NonAv. Then don't read and post worthlessly to threads here! Asi
79 Post contains images Mt99 : If you dont want to discuss, why do you even post? If you say so. But, you have know to "forget" to answer questions, so i do not believe you. OK. "E
80 Oneworldman : Just as I thought, you completely misunderstood the context of how this dissertation was written. This entire paper was not written so much as a book
81 Jaysit : Amen. And, yet, that only includes sex in the missionary position. I guess all ye who have practiced slobbin the knob, or munchin the rug will burn i
82 Post contains images Jafa39 : Making assumptions about what God thinks/thought in order to shore up your own likes/dislikes is very dodgy if you ask me. I interpret Soddom and Gom
83 Bluewave 707 : God destroyed Sodom & Gomorrah because of sin ... period! The destruction was not focussed on one particular type of sin. Anything not of God is sin.
84 TACAA320 : So? Do you think I care? By the way, I don't believe you either.
85 HAJFlyer : Bluewave, I beg to differ. While it is certainly correct that many of laws in place today are based on or have their roots in Judeo-Christian values
86 Mt99 : You do care!. If you didnt, you would not have responded.
87 ManuCH : Source?
88 Post contains links TACAA320 : Sorry, but I responded because I have the right to do so. And I will do it anytime that I consider that I have to do it. The Bible. Also check: http:
89 ManuCH : That's exactly the point. Everyone is free to have his own religious beliefs. But what I have a hard time accepting is when people use bible quotatio
90 Mt99 : Since you haven't yet addresed or responded to issuses on this (and past threads) does that mean that you do not consider necesary to respond to them
91 Scaredflyer21 : I do not see anything wrong with two men or women loving each other, but I do believe that the Bible says that it is only a sin to act upon those feel
92 HAJFlyer : Leaving aside your interpretation of the bible which I respect but don't share, do you believe it would be a good thing from a psychological or socio
93 RedDragon : " target=_blank>http://www.arkdiscovery.com/sodom_&_...h.htm Shame that that page doesn't appear to offer any elucidation on the reasons behind the de
94 Scaredflyer21 : My post was a bit confusing and I apologize. I do not agree with the Bible's "interpretation" of sexuality, and I also do feel that everyone should b
95 TACAA320 : Agreed! Did you read the link provided?
96 Bluewave 707 : That's exactly why Jefferson wrote his opinion. He did not want the US to have a state religion (like the UK had back in the day), or be a theocracy.
97 Post contains images Tbar220 : Hilarious joke I strongly disagree with this statement. That's for another thread, and I will look further into it. What people don't realize, is tha
98 ManuCH : Yes. My being doubtful wasn't about your link or about the geological evidence, but about the god-part in this whole thing.
99 Adam T. : But that doesn't mean that the US Consitituon was written directly from the bible. Sure, they may have been christian but did they say "Now, lets tak
100 RedDragon : It doesn't explicitly say so in that passage.
101 TACAA320 : May I ask if you are Christian? Or a religious person?
102 ManuCH : I am neither... so maybe I should stay out of this kind of threads to avoid hurting someone's feelings. OTOH I think expressing my doubts about god a
103 Tacaa320 : Clever decision. With all due respect, try to find the answer to your doubfullness in other fields [not in religion]. Best regards and good luck.
104 ManuCH : Tacaa320, there's just one thing I don't understand: why do I need to shut up when I think that god doesn't exist (to approximate the concept), but ev
105 Post contains images Mt99 : TACA, then you should stay away too because you are hurting my feelings Hahahahaha!
106 Tacaa320 : In which way? By ignoring you in some way?
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