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Instant Classic - USC Edges ND  
User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4391 posts, RR: 26
Posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 877 times:

What an absolutely amazing day of college football!!

First the Badgers come back 10 in the final 3 minutes and win on a blocked punt.

Then Michigan takes down Penn State on the final play.

Minutes later and definitely not least, USC edged Notre Dame in one of the greatest college football games you'll see. In a back and forth 4th quarter, USC found themselves facing 4th and 9 with the game on the line, Leinart found Jarrett for a big time gain. This set up a goal line sequence where Leinart plowed into the end zone on a QB sneak as time expired. What a game!


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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13766 posts, RR: 61
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 869 times:
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I just wish the TV commentators would be honest and tell the truth - USC has been barely pulling wins out of their ass, and they were lucky to escape with a win.

But oh, no - they won't say that. They fawn all over them, saying USC is "playing like a national champion," etc.

Bullshit. Call it like it is.

This team is a fraud that was nearly exposed today.



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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 866 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 1):
This team is a fraud that was nearly exposed today.

Damn dude, why so bitter? A team that has won 28 (?) games in a row isn't exactly a fraud...



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User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 866 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 1):
But oh, no - they won't say that. They fawn all over them, saying USC is "playing like a national champion," etc.

What do you really expect for the 2 time defending national champion?

Barely pulling out wins? ASU was competitive, but they did take over in the 2nd half and it wasn't that close towards the end. The Arizona game was unimpressive, but was never really in doubt. And then 3 blowouts.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 1):
This team is a fraud that was nearly exposed today.

Friggen ridiculous. 28 game winning streak a fraud. Take the game for what it is. An EXCELLENT one, between the champ and a very worthy challenger. USC came through in the clutch today: live with it.



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 865 times:

In a back and forth 4th quarter, USC found themselves facing 4th and 9 with the game on the line, Leinart found Jarrett for a big time gain. This set up a goal line sequence where Leinart plowed into the end zone on a QB sneak as time expired. What a game!



You forgot one play.....had the USC fumbled ball not gone out of bounds the game would be over and the Irish would have won. Great game none the less and as an Irish fan I'm glad to see them playing old school again.

[Edited 2005-10-16 02:06:06]


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User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 859 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 4):
Let us not forget that had the USC fumbled ball not gone out of bounds the game would be over and the Irish would have won.

True, but Leinart also may have made it into the end zone on that play.

To add to my previous point: picture this EA CO AS.

You're down 3 on the road at Notre Dame stadium. You're near the student sectoin and the stadium is as loud as it has ever been. Youve listened to weeks of hype and how its your time to be brought down against a Notre Dame team restoring the glory. Its 4th down, and you need 9 yards. If you dont get it, the games over and the goalposts will be falling shortly. You call an audible at the line and complete a 30 yard pass and 20 yard run to keep your hopes alive.

Sorry, that IS playing like a national champion.



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User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 857 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 4):
You forgot one play.....had the USC fumbled ball not gone out of bounds the game would be over and the Irish would have won. Great game none the less and as an Irish fan I'm glad to see them playing old school again.

Yeah, i just wanted to get this posted ASAP! Certainly worth debate and mention. Before I saw the ball had come lose, I thought it would have been a touchdown.

Also to be noted, there is no way Leinart powers into the end zone on the sneak if not for the shove from Reggie Bush. Clutch players playing clutch.



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User currently offlineSYRGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 852 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 1):
I just wish the TV commentators would be honest and tell the truth - USC has been barely pulling wins out of their ass, and they were lucky to escape with a win.

But oh, no - they won't say that. They fawn all over them, saying USC is "playing like a national champion," etc.

Bullshit. Call it like it is.



Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 1):

This team is a fraud that was nearly exposed today.

Barely pulling out wins?? You might want to check again.

And a fraud? Two Natl Championsips in a row is anything but a fraud. Take your sour grapes somewhere else. Why would the commentators say "they pulled this one out of their ass" or "they got lucky to win". Thats just stupid.


User currently offlineSpartan13 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 207 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 842 times:

It was an amazing game...im glad my Trojans pulled it off. It was a battle to the very end. I gotta give ND props, they played a hell of a game. Now im off to the bar after watching this game...Corona's have my name written all over them.

Fight On!

[Edited 2005-10-16 02:36:25]


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User currently offlineVikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10350 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 834 times:

Maybe we got lucky, but hell, fumbles go out of bounds now and then. A lot of fans and players rushed the field right then, without even realizing the game wasn't over. Makes our win more legitimate to me.

Either way, ND played better that USC today. No question. ND wanted this win, and they almost got it, and utmost respect to them. But the Trojans come through when it's needed, and we did today again.

Why even bother to argue against someone that thinks USC is a fraud? Frauds don't win 28 games in a row and two Nat'l. Championships. We're pretty used to getting flak from people from other conferences outside the Pac-10. Doesn't change a thing.

Not to mention, we did get a 64 yard completion on a 4th and 9 play. Pretty goddamn clutch if you ask me.

Fight on indeed!

~Vik



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13766 posts, RR: 61
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 827 times:
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While some may disagree with my opinion, I believe it's a valid one. As Vikkyvik said, Notre Dame played better than USC did today, period. If you go back and look at the games against Oregon and Arizona State, you'll see where - in the second half - lucky breaks and a few good plays all came together to enable them to escape with a win just like they did today.

And yes Trojan fans, the term "escape" is absolutely appropriate for at least the ASU and ND games.

Certainly USC is good; there's no doubting that - but what they're good at is finding ways to win very close games. They're not the all-powerful juggernaut that many in the sports media make them out to be.

I guess it's par for the course though when you're courting the second largest TV market in the nation.  sarcastic 



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User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 822 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 10):
And yes Trojan fans, the term "escape" is absolutely appropriate for at least the ASU and ND games.

Absolutely, it is. Going on the road to play high ranked teams in hostile environments, what do you expect? Do they need to blow everyone out to be worthy of their status?

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 10):



Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 10):
If you go back and look at the games against Oregon and Arizona State, you'll see where - in the second half - lucky breaks and a few good plays all came together to enable them to escape with a win just like they did today.

  

USC 45 Oregon 13

Yes, thats 32 points. They sure got lucky.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 10):
I guess it's par for the course though when you're courting the second largest TV market in the nation.

Don't forget they are giving LA something to be very excited about regarding football. They ARE the current LA NFL team!

[Edited 2005-10-16 03:45:33]


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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 820 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 1):
This team is a fraud that was nearly exposed today.

Any team that has won 28 straight games, and two straight titles is no fraud, EA CO AS. I don't know where you get that one.

Sorry, but the sign of a true champion IS pulling out close games, on the road, against a tough, tough opponent. Along the way to ANY type of sports championship, a team usually has to win tough games like this to get to the goal-a case I can make is when Ohio State, in '01/'02, pulled out a last-second win at Purdue in the 2nd half of that season. It was tough, against a good opponent, and they did it, just like USC did it today.

Give some credit where it is due, man. They play in one of the most hostile enviornments a road team can play in, against an outstanding team, and won. That speaks volumns for them, I think.

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 4):
You forgot one play.....had the USC fumbled ball not gone out of bounds the game would be over and the Irish would have won.

Exactly. A dumb-luck play? Kind of, but sometime, you need those, and USC took advantage of it.

Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 9):
Either way, ND played better that USC today.

No argument here. ND played about as well as they could play-and 'SC still pulled it out. A team that is a "fraud" can't do that.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 10):
While some may disagree with my opinion, I believe it's a valid one.

We disagree wtih it, and we don't think it's valid, my friend.  Wink

You just can't make a case that a team with 2 titles and 28 straight wins, who won today in a terribly hostile enviornment, against a very, very good team, is a fraud!

They're a damn good team, period.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 10):
As Vikkyvik said, Notre Dame played better than USC did today, period.

No-not "period". Look at the scoreboard, dude. The final determination is the score. In that regard, USC "outplayed" ND, because they scored more points. Period.  Smile

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 10):
Certainly USC is good; there's no doubting that

The first thing we can agree on in this thread, my friend.  Silly Although I'm beginning to think Texas and Va. Tech could both beat them.


User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 816 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 12):
Although I'm beginning to think Texas and Va. Tech could both beat them.

True, the Rose Bowl is gonna be an awesome matchup it seems. Texas especially has really, really impressed me.



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 794 times:

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 6):
Also to be noted, there is no way Leinart powers into the end zone on the sneak if not for the shove from Reggie Bush. Clutch players playing clutch.

Clutch Players playing clutch..? I guess you don't know your Rules very well. In the NCAA YOU CAN'T DO THAT..!! Shoving a player to gain yardage is 15 yard penalty....!! I didn't see it until later when ESPN talked about it, and sure enough he pushed him over. A sore looser..? Nope. Notre Dame played a great game and they continue to play well and grow under a new staff. I'm very happy as a whole with today's outcome.



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User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 791 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 14):
I guess you don't know your Rules very well.

Guess neither do the referees. I actually just had a conversation with my friend about this who was crying bloody murder. I have never seen that penalty called in my life, and neither has anyone i've talked to. It happens all the time in piles and on quarterback sneaks...just none as blatant as that. I guess i'm seeing it as a rule thats not really enforced. That being said, I don't think he gets in without it, and i credit that a heads up play by Bush.

I haven't seen anything on TV about this yet.

Controversy? Perhaps



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13766 posts, RR: 61
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 778 times:
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Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 11):
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 10):
If you go back and look at the games against Oregon and Arizona State, you'll see where - in the second half - lucky breaks and a few good plays all came together to enable them to escape with a win just like they did today.



USC 45 Oregon 13

Yes, thats 32 points. They sure got lucky.

Sorry, I meant Notre Dame, not Oregon. My bad.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 12):
Give some credit where it is due, man.

I am. My point is that I don't like seeing too much credit being given, that's all.

They're good - but they've also been EXTRAORDINARILY lucky in many cases. No one acknowledges that, and that's my main beef.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 771 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 16):
I am. My point is that I don't like seeing too much credit being given, that's all.

Jeez, what is "too much" when a team has reeled off 28 straight wins and to Titles, man? I mean, they're not a so-so football team after all.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 16):
They're good - but they've also been EXTRAORDINARILY lucky in many cases.

Go look at their games since '03:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/teamsched?teamId=30&year=2003

In '03, one loss to Cal, the rest were pretty much lopsided wins.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/teamsched?teamId=30&year=2004

In '04, a few close games, against conference foes, the rest are pretty much blowouts.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/teamsched?teamId=30&year=2005

This year, until today, one win of 10 points, the rest blowouts.

Extraordinarily lucky? ROTFL. Extraordinarily good, seems to me.


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