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Australia's Human Rights Record, Shot?  
User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1181 times:

Australia's human rights record shot? The below article was taken form the Sydney Morning Herald.

By Andrew Clennell and Tom Allard


"""Norway reported Australia to the United Nations last night and branded it "inhumane" after 50 special forces troops took charge of the freighter carrying 438 asylum seekers.

But the Howard Government insisted that Australia would do "whatever necessary" to remove the Norwegian-registered Tampa, as it stood just four nautical miles off Christmas Island.

The Government was trying to rush through emergency legislation to reinforce its power to forcibly move the ship, which had defied Australia's orders by entering its waters yesterday morning.

But the legislation appeared to be doomed in the Senate because of Labor and Democrat opposition.

The SAS troops raced to the Tampa in Zodiac boats and stormed it after the captain tried to dock at Christmas Island.

Norway said the freighter needed to land because of the sick and exhausted refugees on board and that Australia was in violation of international maritime rules, which allow ships to go to the nearest port in an emergency.

But Mr Howard - who announced the SAS operation to a hushed Parliament House at 2pm - accused the Tampa captain of exaggerating the medical problems. "Nobody , and I repeat nobody, has presented as being in need of urgent medical assistance," he said.

According to a cable, the Tampa moved towards the port after a spokesman for the boat people, Mr Mohammad Wali, said they would "begin jumping overboard if no shore medical assistance was rendered".

Using rapelling equipment, the SAS troops clambered up the side of the Tampa and boarded, meeting no resistance from Captain Arne Rinnan, or crew. The shipping line said the captain was still in charge.

Defence sources said the troops had the capability to steer the ship into international waters, should the captain refuse.

But Captain Rinnan apparently turned off the ship's engines and late last night it had still not budged.

As the drama unfolded, the Norwegian Foreign Minister, Mr Thorbjoern Jagland, said: "Australia's attitude to the refugee incident is unacceptable and inhumane and contravening international law."

The diplomatic crisis worsened when Mr Howard criticised the reaction of the Norwegian Prime Minister, Mr Jens Stoltenberg, to the Australian operation. He had rung his Norwegian counterpart after sending in the SAS troops.

"He expressed the view that the Norwegian Government had no responsibility in the matter, despite the fact it is a Norwegian flagged vessel, it is a Norwegian captain and it is a Norwegian company," Mr Howard said.

But Norway said it was reporting Australia to the UN maritime agency, its refugee agency and also to the International Committee of the Red Cross.

The Opposition Leader, Mr Beazley, attacked Mr Howard for not contacting Mr Stoltenberg much earlier.

Mr Howard said Captain Rinnan had approached Christmas Island despite express orders by Australia not to do so.

Before entering Australian waters, the captain had made three mayday calls, reporting an medical emergency.

But Mr Howard said: "The Government was left with no alternative but to instruct the Chief of the Australian Defence Force to arrange for defence personnel to board and secure the vessel.

"My advice is that units of the Special Air Service under the command of Lieutenant-Colonel Gus Gilmore executed this instruction over an hour ago and that the ship is now in the control of the SAS."

The Immigration Minister, Mr Ruddock, last night accused the captain of "misrepresentation" for trying to come to shore and said the Government's moves were "lawful".

Under international law, the Tampa would have the right to berth in Australian waters if there was a genuine emergency.

Last night's emergency legislation was to give immunity and protection to officers authorised by the Government to use "reasonable means", including "reasonable force", to forcibly remove the ship from Australian waters. It would also forbid the asylum seekers from applying for protection.

The Opposition, while refusing to pass the legislation, said that it had been given just 40 minutes' notice, and Mr Beazley accused the Government of "wedge politics".

At the same time yesterday:

· A spokesman for the Norwegian shipping line, Wallenius Wilmhelmsen, compared Australia to a "banana republic".

· The New Zealand Prime Minister, Ms Helen Clark, said she would probably have allowed the freighter into her country.

· The Government's human rights commissioner, Mr Sev Ozdowski, said the humanitarian issues took precedence over any other issues.

· Police detained 251 refugees on the island of Lombok, with thousands of others scattered throughout Indonesia secretly waiting to sail for Australia, officials reported. """


Our conservative government is showing a distinct lack of humanity in the way it has so far dealt with the issue of these refugees. It appears the Federal Government is pandering to middle Australia (who would prefer the country to be surrounded with barbed wire) in the lead up to a federal election in refusing to allow the Afghani boat people onto Australian shores.

Meanwhile, these poor people who are more than likely not fleeing the wicked Taliban regime are being kept in inhumane conditions on board a Norweigan freighter.

What are your thoughts? I am thoroughly disgusted in our Government and am ashamed how the Australian people have re-acted to this.

mb



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User currently offlineTupolev154B2 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1332 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (13 years 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1112 times:

Not as bad as when we locked up some Chinese asylum-seekers for up to 4 years.

User currently offlineSVG From Norway, joined Sep 1999, 284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (13 years 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1108 times:

I'm shocked by the way the Australian goverment behaves. The situation onboard the ship is very serious and many of the immigrants are in very bad health conditions. They need medical assitance, not heavliy armed troops! It is terrible that a modern and 'civilized' nation like Australia behave in such an inhumane and irresponsable way. I totally agree with the Norwegian Prime Minister on his critisim against the Australian government.

User currently offlineWatewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (13 years 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1091 times:

What a pleasant way to welcome those seeking a better life in a paradise.
Australian government should have let the ship dock, and have dealt with the asylum seekers on land where their claims can be scruitinized in detail. All should be given fair chance to plead their case, but those not qualifying for asylum should be deported right away.

Canada has had the same problems as of late, with many Chinese migrants being captured off the coast of British Columbia. While I sympathize with those who fled their country to seek a better life, I'm not too pleased to see the bills that these migrants (numbering hundreds- if not thousands) leave behind after they file for asylum.


User currently offlineN312RC From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 2682 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (13 years 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1092 times:

Flame me all you want, but this is a bunch of bleeding heart liberal drivel. That ship shoulda turned round to Indonesia and let them off. Keep them in their own country, Australia doesnt need them. They would just sit on welfare anyways.


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User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1091 times:

N312RC,

Do I take it you put that ridiculous post in there so you would get flamed? (BTW - Get your facts right, the refugees are Afghani nationals from Afghanistan - not Indonesia.)

What makes you think these people would automatically collect welfare?

Whilst the Australian government is well within it's rights to demand the Norwegian ship leave our waters, we contacted the Norwegian ship in the first place and asked them to pick the refugees up from the stricken ship. What is truly disgusting is the blatant politiking by our Government in determining what will happen to these poor people as I stated earlier.

I am far from suggesting these people automatically gain entry to our country, but at the very least they should be given consideration and go through the process like others. Let's face it, they're not likely to survive being sent back into Taliban controlled Afghanistan, we as a nation should accept that and give these poor people a chance.

Our immigration minister in Parliament is the biggest bigot and racist that has ever been in Federal Parliament. He is also the toughest and meanest immigration minister we have ever had. Phillip Ruddock was chosen by our fearless leader to head the immigration department because of those things.

Does everyone know that the immigration department has had television commercials and print ads made up and put on television and newspapers in 3rd world countries in the region? These ads depict Australia as a barren, desolate place where you would not want to land unasisted. Poisoness snakes and crocodiles are featured in these ads as well. They are meant to frighten would be illegal immigrants from trying to enter the country.

No matter what our Government does about the situation now, the damage has been done. Absolutely disgraceful, I am ashamed to be an Australian today.

mb


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (13 years 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1088 times:

Why does the government have such an anti immigration policy? Has it had a bad immigration situation in the past?

If you think that's bad, the United States used to turn away hundreds of refugees that were landing on the coast of southern Florida.

Mb, I also saw in a newsreport online somewhere (don't remember which one) that the boat was from Indonesia. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

 Smile Tzvika  Smile



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User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1089 times:

Tzvika,

Apparently the ship was registered &/or had Indonesian crew. Many ruthless Thai and Indonesian boat owners do a roaring trade in human misery cargo. A lot of the time the refugees pay for safe passage to Australia and never end up getting anywhere except killed for their time and trouble. Thai pirates regularly rape pillage and destroy refugee boats.

It's sickening.

mb


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (13 years 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1084 times:

Why does the Australian government currently have such an anti immigration policy? Has it had a bad immigration experience in the past?


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User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1081 times:

Tzvika,

That's a tricky question mate. Our current prime minister is from the Old School of thought, which carries such things as the "white Australia policy" from the 60's.

The conservatives in this country are generally against widespread immigration in the name of keeping public debt down. To get into Australia now you have to have a fairly good reason, be skilled in something and at least speak reasonable english.

If I am correct I beleive our spending on foreign aid has been cut as well. As far as the general population goes, the 'whites' of Australia seem to blame widespread immigration on a number of problems that we have. Various ethnic crime gangs, drugs, welfare cheats and other societal problems.

This is while these same people enjoy the benifits widespead immigration has brought this country. They want the good but get upset with the bad. They want to keep all the diversity of restaurants, languages, teachers, doctors etc but want to get rid of the nasty elements.

Illegal and poor immigrants are being blamed in these instances. We have recently in Sydney had ethnic crime gangs terrorize south western Sydney suburbs with a string of brutal gang rapes on teenage girls - this is polarising thoughts on such issues within the community as well.

Other instances of this have raised there ugly heads in the community not that long ago too. We had Kosovar refugee's come to Australia to stay for 4 months whilst the UN fixed things in the Balkans. There was a big news story about a alleged rape (amongst the kept Kosovar's) and also a family who left their temporary shelter in disgust and refused to go back because the accomodation wasn't good enough.

These things disgusted just about all Australian's who thought the rape was bad enough but really went against the Kosovar's when this one family decided to act a bit uppity. Cries of "go home" went out obviously.

The media built this up of course.

That kind of thinking is behind the current governments actions and people are not thinking laterally.

mb


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (13 years 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1079 times:

Sounds like its a very tricky situation.

And I'm betting that the Australian media isn't helping the situation much either, am I correct?

Tzvika



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User currently offlineTupolev154B2 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1332 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (13 years 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1077 times:

N312RC, if you were being persecuted, would you just sit in "your own country" or would you become one of these refugees?

User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1076 times:

Tzvika,

People appear to be sidestepping the issue that perhaps these people escaped from the evil, wicked Taliban regime for various reasons. The refugees have not been given an opportunity to air the reasons they were heading here.

The media appears to be a little divisive on the issue. Todays print media is full of different opinions and ideals. Of course not all Aussies are against the Afghans but a poll done on Channel 10 last night indicated 90% of people wanted them out of Australian waters immediately.

The general attitude is "If you want to come here go through the same channels as others." with out thinking the issue through.

Or so it appears to me. But how many times have we seen blinkered public opion? We all know how hard the general populous has become in recent times.

Your probably to young to remember, but do you remember hearing of or seeing the awful devastation in Ethiopea in the 80's? Everyone wanted to lend a hand then did they not? What's happened now?

Cheers,

mb


User currently offlineN400QX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1075 times:

Conservative government? LOL... I gotta laugh at that before I give my opinion.

Anyway, I agree with your government-- you don't need illegals and you have the right and responsibility to turn them away! They don't have the right to intrude on you... Send em back. Screw your PC "human rights".


User currently offlineTupolev154B2 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1332 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (13 years 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1069 times:

N400QX, they are seeking asylum.

User currently offlineN400QX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (13 years 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1064 times:

From what? Sorry-- I dont have a whole lot of time tonight to read the whole story...

User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (13 years 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1062 times:

While you don't have to accept them, you can give them medical attention. I certainly don't approve of this raid on their bought with armed personell. Just land a helicopter with medical supplies, how hard is that?

And Mx5, mentioning the problems in Ethiopia in the 80's, I know what you're talking about. The nation that did help (dont anyone dare flame me for mentioning this, it is not political) was Israel. They accepted 100,000 Ethiopians into the country. Today, they are a very large and integral part of the country, and a distinct cultural group in the nation. They were very grateful for the help.

 Smile Tzvika  Smile



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User currently offlineTupolev154B2 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1332 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (13 years 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1059 times:

N400QX, they are seeking asylum from their government. Zach, it doesn't surprise me that you would again make a whole lot of noise before you think...

User currently offlineKevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (13 years 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1059 times:

There is no way I would have accepted 500 Afghanis into my country. Try to go to Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan. They won't care about you!!!
If you let 500 Afghanis into your country , after 10 years you will have around 4000 of them (oh geez these guys know how to multiply). You will have mosques all around your city and very soon they will ask for independance. No way!!!


User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (13 years 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1053 times:

Kevin,

Please explain to me what the problem is with having Mosques in your country. I would have thought Canadians would enjoy diversity? Are you scared of them because of their culture? Why on earth would they declare independance? For someone in their early 20's you seem to have a dim view of other cultures. I won't call you a bigot just yet, but your heading in the right direction.

Just put yourself in their situation. They could be 'Christian' Afghans and were fleeing an exceptionally oppressive strict regime who would have probably been executed at some stage during one of the Talibans cleanses.

You need to grow up a bit and look at the big wide world.

mb

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User currently offlineAviatsiya From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (13 years 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1052 times:

I agree totally with what the Libs have done in this particular case.

A number of points:

* The ship is Norwegian, but with Indonesian crew
* Our country has the right to deny entry to our waters, any ship or aircraft, which we expect is harbouring potential illegal immigrants or cargo
* A military doctor examined the people on board and found that none were in need of urgent medical attention
* The SAS only boarded the ship after the captain of the vessel started to head for Australian waters, and enter those waters ILLEGALLY
* Australia does not have an anti-immigration policy. We still accept thousands of legal immigrants every year, and will accept those immigrants which go thru the necessary processes. We still receive LEGAL migrants from Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan, but these illegals deem it necessary to jump the queues. This is NOT on.

Meanwhile, these poor people who are more than likely not fleeing the wicked Taliban regime are being kept in inhumane conditions on board a Norweigan freighter.

Mikey, whilst you and I agree on many issues, this is one which I resoundly disagree.

It is highly unlikely that these illegals are "poor people" from Afghanistan, but economic refugees from Pakistan. It costs these people upwards of US$10,000 for passage on these ships, and Afghani farmers are going to find it absolutely impossible to raise that kind of money.

It is also interesting to note that these people have disposed of all identification, therefore making it impossible to make positive identification. Remember, that Afghanis are for the most-part of the same stock as Pakistanis, and are indistinguishable on looks alone.

If the Norwegians are so intent on making this a big problem, I have a solution.

Get the ship to turn around and head, full-steam, for the nearest Norwegian port, and let them deal with these "Afghanis". We have too many illegals here already, and with the problems with the detention centres as of late (of which I agree with detention), we don't need more problems.


User currently offlineN400QX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (13 years 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1046 times:

Am I reading incorrectly, or did I just completely agree with Aviatsiya on this one?  Wow!

Well, all I have to say is, "dittos, Scotty." Pardon me while I regain control of breathing....

But on a more serious note, I agree completely and I do NOT understand why people want to allow illegals to stay (grant amnesty or whatever) when they SHOULD have come in the legal way. There are thousands of people who would love to go to countries like Australia and America and do it the legal way and stand in line. We are slapping them in the face if we let illegals come in without so much as blinking an eye.

I believe in immigration, but controlled and LEGAL immigration.


User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (13 years 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1044 times:

PM John Howard would be well advised to remember that his ancestors were, after all, 'illegal immigrants' to Australia, n'est-ce pas? I cannot see why Australia has a problem with dealing with Asylum claims for people who live a life under the regime of the Taliban. If the overcrowded UK can take hundreds of thousands of asylum seekers annually, I can't see what argument Australia has, with its underpopulated lands. I have observed a worrying tendency for Australian politicians to play the race card which is a shame, as cities like Sydney and Melbourne have clearly benefitted from their multi-cultural diversity.

If Australia fairly processes their claims and finds them to be bogus, then fair's fair, but they surely need to be given the chance to state their claims. I hardly think heading back to Indonesia is the answer - they aren't exactly the best racially integrated society are they?!



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User currently offlineN400QX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (13 years 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1044 times:

By the way, I know such people-- political refugees from Romania after the 1989 revolution. Hearing their story of getting to America is quite heart-wrenching and makes one appreciate the struggle to get into richer countries.

With a lot of luck and a lot of waiting and tons of paperwork, moving around, and sneaking out of their politically unstable homeland, they finally made it to America. What a story that family has-- it gets me every time...


User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (13 years 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1043 times:

Scotty,

As always you make some good points, however until it is determined 'who' 'what' 'when' 'where' and 'why' how do we we judge them?

Note that in my text I have said "they may be X". We don't know.

As for how the Howard government has handled this situation, again I find it disgusting that the lives of people are being toyed with for political point scoring with the middle classes, and don't tell me they are not.

As for Phillip Ruddock and his handling of immigration policy in this country - lets just say a few years ago the ex (Steve) and I had a few drinks with him on several occaisions at the Albury and a charming fellow he was too. (*not*) Leave it at that shall we?

Don't forget though, I am not against our hard line on boat people - it would be an absolute nightmare if we had armada's of crappy ships landing on the northwest. Besides the fact that we would be unable to cope with them all - to many lives would be lost upon them discovering nothing but scrub and no water.

Catch up mate.

Cheers,

mb



25 Go Canada! : Tupolev154B2-seeking aslyum? yes they may be, but most people in afghanistan wanted those nutcases to take over. austrialia's right of a nation has be
26 Wirraway : Mx5_boy I am one of the 90% of Australians that is in favour of what Howard and Ruddock are doing. These are NOT refugees they are ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS,
27 SVG : This case cleary shows that Australians are inhumane and barbaric people. By the way, what do you expect the Norwegian vessel to do? What you have don
28 N400QX : Inhuman and barbaric for protecting their borders?! You need help, my friend.
29 Mx5_boy : Wirraway, I am well aware of the many Pakistani's flying to Indonesia and posing as 'fleeing refugees'. My whole point about this is the way the gover
30 Kevin : If I was John Howard I would accept them to Australia. Once they arrive I put them into the concetration camp and after I would charter an aircraft an
31 Ryanb741 : Following is a list of Muslim States accepting Christian refugees: Iran Pakistan Malaysia UAE Bahrain Egypt Morocco Tunisia Nigeria (partly Muslim) Ba
32 SVG : Defending your border???? I don't really understand what you mean. The whole world is shocked by the behavriour of the Australian government and the A
33 Mx5_boy : Kevin, Regardless of how people behave in their own country, our beautiful, plentiful and safe country has been built on various forms of immigration.
34 Post contains images Airsicknessbag : It is certainly unacceptable to let those people boil and be sick on that ship. Can´t they just be receive the emergency medical treatment they need
35 Rickster : Maybe i got something wrong, and maybe I am not really familiar with international asylum rules, but isn´t it so that refugees have to ask for asylum
36 Post contains images Airsicknessbag : Well, it depends on the national law of the country where they are applying, and as I´m not really familiar with Australian asylum law I could only r
37 SVG : They are not on Norwegian soil. You are not on Norwegian soil when you are onboard a Scandinavian Airlines aircraft, and you are not on Norwegian soil
38 Airsicknessbag : >>>They are not on Norwegian soil. You are not on Norwegian soil when you are onboard a Scandinavian Airlines aircraft, and you are not on Norwegian s
39 Aviatsiya : Mx5_boy Don't forget though, I am not against our hard line on boat people - it would be an absolute nightmare if we had armada's of crappy ships land
40 Rickster : Ok Guys you may bash me now, anyway, but reading all this posts about "the world is shocked about how Australia deals with human rights", please, thou
41 Wirraway : It seems some of you don't quite understand who these ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS are, from this mornings Melbourne Age: In July, a group of 250 "boat people"
42 SVG : I do not want to answer your reply. This is not the right place to discuss this very serious issue. I'm horrified by the behaviour of the Australian g
43 Post contains images Tbar220 : Wow SVG, even I don't know about what's going on. But you say you don't want to answer because its a "very serious issue". But then you go on to make
44 Klaus : Rickster: please, thousands (!)of refugees and "immigration refugees" are sent back daily (!) along European, US or Canadian borders and guys be hones
45 Klaus : Wirraway: It seems some of you don't quite understand who these ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS are, What you appear to not understand is that this is an emergency
46 Post contains images Klaus : Tbar220: Show where this situation is representative of how the whole Australian people are. I think Australians are very nice and friendly people, an
47 Post contains images LH423 : First of all, this is not Norway's problem! Let me ask some of the people on here who think that these people should be sent back to Norway: What if t
48 Cicadajet : Newly elected Indonesian President Megawati Sukarnoputri has so far refused to take them in either. The sprawling Southeast Asian nation already has 1
49 Cicadajet : "sick and tired" of "uncontrollable" illegal immigrants... ??? Nice rhetoric. ..and apparently "popular" too. no room at the Aussie inn.... what is th
50 Wirraway : Kluse wrote: "What you appear to not understand is that this is an emergency." Emergency my foot, even the Norwegion ambassador to Australia who visit
51 Klaus : Wirraway: Emergency my foot, even the Norwegion ambassador to Australia who visited the "Tampa" yesterday said there were none of the 460 needed medic
52 Wirraway : from this morning Sunday Telegraph, Way to Go Johnny Howard: Military blockade to intercept smugglers By IAN McPHEDRAN 02sep01 AUSTRALIA will establis
53 Post contains links Aviatsiya : SVG You do not go around calling Australians inhumane, and calling us this and calling us that, and then when you are questioned, you refuse to answer
54 Kevin : Aviatsiya: If I had a chance I would make you "double respected" om my respected users list. As I already said try to go to Pakistan or Somali and see
55 Dasa : i think we should let the immigrants in. by turning them away, australia is sending them abck to a hell on earth. if the government can do this, it ha
56 Post contains images Cicadajet : In all fairness that boat DID need to be stopped. there are rules in place; fairly sensible ones. Now I wonder though, if Mexico bordered Australia, w
57 Go Canada! : You dont wish to reply to this 'serious' issue-im sorry but you posted before I did so you can have the decency and respond to the comments made rathe
58 Post contains images Eg777er : I don't agree with asylum seekers - I think money would be better spent on toppling regimes who cause such strife; but this would take lots of money.
59 Post contains images Aviatsiya : Eg777ER However, I don't think the Ozzies have a right to so vehemently deny entry whilst other countries such as the UK have to cope with this sort o
60 NoUFO : AUSTRALIA will establish its biggest military shield since World War II to prevent as many as 5000 illegal boat people leaving Indonesia for Australia
61 Aussiemite : Generally these people are paying upwards of $AUD8000 to hitch a ride from indonesia to Australia per person, someone with 8k on them dosnt sound like
62 Aviatsiya : Speaks for itself. I find it very sad to see such an armament mobilized against unarmed refugees - illegal or not. No, not sad at all. We have soverei
63 Post contains images Eg777er : *whispers*......russian aircraft are crap....... Sorry, couldn't resist. And noone in the UK plays Cricket anymore - the problem is that Cricket is on
64 LH423 : Well, whatever. These people will most likely get sent back to their countries of origin and, for some, will be the last anyone will see of them. And
65 Mx5_boy : Eg777er says: """And noone in the UK plays Cricket anymore - the problem is that Cricket is only played in public schools, and then these kids go and
66 Ryanb741 : I guess Australia have the right to do what they want, but they had better be prepared to be told to p*ss off if they start whingeing about the French
67 Glenn : Like anybody gives a shit really. All they do is use Australia's problem to hide there own. England has it's own prob from people trying to get into t
68 High_flyr69 : Australia is a great nation I LIVE IN IT but if we let every single boat people Australia will end up like Tokyo and for that to happen to a great cou
69 Post contains images Ryanb741 : What's wrong with Tokyo. I used to live in OZ and would have gladly swapped Adelaide for Tokyo any day! Regards Ryan
70 Mx5_boy : Ryanb741, I guess we Sydneysiders and Brizvegasites know which side of the bread is buttered. BTW - Adelaide is the serial killer capital of the world
71 Aussiemite : well who are you?, mx5er planning on a Brisbane visit soon?
72 Post contains images Ryanb741 : Whoah, easy Tiger! I never said Australia was bad (I lived there for 8 years remember, in Adelaide and Sydney), I just took exception to the post that
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