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How Would You Change The Democratic Process?  
User currently offlineDaddiesSecret From Niue, joined Sep 2005, 270 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1727 times:

If I had my wish...

No political party should be allowed to accept donations from Corporations, Pressure Groups, Trades Unions or Churches. Only private individuals should be allowed to donate and only up to about 2000 $/euros ....

No politician should be allowed to sit on the board of directors of any Corporation until 10 years after they have left politics.

What would you do?

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User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3591 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1721 times:

My first suggestion would be to administer an IQ test to all potential voters, with only those having an IQ of at least 110 being permitted to cast a vote. That would go a long way toward removing the "lowest common denominator" campaign tactics and perhaps force the canidates to address issues more forthrightly.

User currently offlineThumper3181 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1715 times:

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 2):
My first suggestion would be to administer an IQ test to all potential voters, with only those having an IQ of at least 110

So what would you do when you fail?

Intelligence tests where tried in South Florida in 2000 and look at the trouble it caused.


User currently offlineLentigomaligna From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1682 times:

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 2):
My first suggestion would be to administer an IQ test to all potential voters

We tried that before, it didn't work. It was called a "literacy test".


User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6321 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1662 times:

In America, I'd like to get rid of the electoral college and make it a purely popular vote. This isn't because I am Republican or Democrat, but because I feel it's a truly useless system.

Also, instead of a supreme court to determine what constitutional law dictates, put it to a popular vote as well...be it death penalty, abortion, or calling a tomato a fruit (yes, there WAS a supreme court case about that)


User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1660 times:

Its so they know which type of ballot to send to you.

Another famous quote:
"You may fool all the people some of the time, you can even fool some of the people all of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all the time."

That doesn't make everyone stupid, it just makes most of them sheep


User currently offlineLentigomaligna From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1658 times:

Quoting SW733 (Reply 10):
Also, instead of a supreme court to determine what constitutional law dictates, put it to a popular vote as well...be it death penalty, abortion, or calling a tomato a fruit (yes, there WAS a supreme court case about that)

That politicizes judgment, something the Supreme Court has been selectively created to eliminate. What's constitutional shouldn't be what's popular. Tyrrany of the majority and effectively changing the constitution based on a popular whim would reign. Plus, there'd be so many cases that the populace would surely be uninformed. You need legal authorities that aren't subject to politics to be a supreme court. In my opinion the Supreme Court is the best institution in the U.S. and the last one to be changed.

BTW... I would add questioning of the President by the Congress à la British Parliament.

[Edited 2005-10-25 03:47:11]

User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1646 times:

B744F;

I'm a bit interested in your statement: "Don't blame stupidity for the disenfranchising of supposed criminals and a confusing ballot system."

Everybody here knows that similar/disimilar presentations have been made here by many, but I query your intended use of the term "disenfranchisement".

Additionally, your definition of a "confusing ballot system" would also be helpful towards my understanding of your case(s) in point. Regards...jack



all best; jack
User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1647 times:

The Supreme Court needs to be much less political and the views of the judges who are up for the appointment process need to be way more open about said views. The Supreme Court has only recently, starting with Earl Warren, become more of the court it should be. Before that, they scrambled to uphold every evil they could twist the law to support

User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1644 times:

B744F;

I'm still interested in your post, re: "disenfranchising supposed criminals and a confusing ballot system."

Regards...jack



all best; jack
User currently offlineQANTASforever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1640 times:

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 2):
That would go a long way toward removing the "lowest common denominator" campaign tactics and perhaps force the canidates to address issues more forthrightly.

..not to mention that it would institute and elitist class system and ensure a lack of full and proper representation.

For my country - I would institute a democratic, federal Republic. I believe that the only person who should have the power to make extremely significant constitutional decisions is the person with the greatest mandate in the land, and that can only be a President elected by the majority of Australians. Simple.

QFF


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1600 times:

Alright! I'm glad to see this thread brought up. I covered my opinions in detail in two previous threads on the topic of election reform, here they are:

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http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/903966

Ok, it is of my opinion that it is time for some serious election reform in this country. I don't believe we have had a truly and fully free election in a while. There is enough corruption and piss poor election legislation that we are suffering on both sides. I even believe that this should be THE most important thing our country is looking at because as long as we don't have free elections, our citizens suffer and so does our government.

Here's what I feel needs to be done.

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1. Voting must have a paper trail. There should be no such thing as an electric voting machine without a paper trail. Without a paper trail, there is no way to investigate corruption or voter fraud.

2. Seriously limit campaign contributions from individuals, PACs, and corporations. The hand that they have in our government is sickening, and I feel its gotten to a point where its dictating our legislation.

3. Eliminate the electoral college. The presidential election is a national election, not a state or local one. The electoral college causes politicians to focus only on certain states and basically makes states that are solid red or blue states throw away states. If you are a voter in the minority in that state, your vote is wasted. The winner should be simply whoever has the highest popular vote.

4. Eliminate the caucus system. Along with getting rid of the electoral college, getting rid of this will simplify the election and take the pressure off politicans to win certain states for their party's nomination. Once again, I feel this system causes the majority of states to be ignored, and that is a travesty.

5. Introduce instant runoff voting (IRV). Instnat runoff voting allows voters to rank their choices of candidates. If no candidate emerges with a majority, the lowest vote-getter is dropped, and the second choices of his or her voters are assigned to the appropriate candidates. This continues until there's a majority winner. IRV not only eliminates the need for seperate runoff elections (which are also suspect to corruption), but forces candidates to endorse others so they can get their second-choice votes. I feel this will help put a kink in the two party system which is strangling our government.

6. Make any sort of voter fraud or voter corruption a serious felony with jail time a minimum. No probation, but instant jail time. This is our voter rights, the very foundation of our democracy, and when they are tampered with that is very serious.

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Its about time that we demand free and fair elections. The people of the United States literally own our government and country. Our tax dollars pay for everything that our country does. Sadly I see it slipping away to the politicians and corporations and leaving the hands of the people. The government is by us and for us, not for the politicians. Its time we got our rights as citizens.

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http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/903966

Ok, I posted my thoughts in another thread a whlie back about my thoughtts on election reform, and here's where I think we could use some serious reform.

Campaign financing is a nice way of saying bribery. In my eyes, that's all it is. As citizens, our votes don't count anymore in my opinion. Why would I say that you ask? Our representatives don't represent us anymore, they only represent private and corporate interests. And this isn't the first time it's happened either, President Mckinley was a representative of the corporations, just read up on Mark Hanna. Karl Rove claims in his book that he models himself off Hanna.

So how do I see the political system? We may have our voice in the voting booth, but its corporations and private interests that have the say through campaign contributions. Sadly the way in this country has been that if you have more money, you have a greater voice. I always thought that this democracy should be an equal voice for every citizen, not a greater voice for the richer citizens. Our representatives say one thing during elections, and then go an pander to special interests in congress. Its not right, in fact it absolutely infuriates me. I feel like my vote means nothing. Republican or Democrat, this is a serious problem.

So how can this be solved? I've been reading up on what's called "Clean Elections". What this means is the following:

"Under a Clean Elections system, candidates hoping to receive public financing must collect a certain number of small "qualifying contributions" (often as little as $5) from registered voters. In return, they are paid a flat sum by the government to run their campaign, and agree not to raise money from private sources. Clean Elections candidates who are outspent by privately-funded opponents may receive additional public matching funds.

Because the system is voluntary, it appears not to run afoul of the United States Supreme Court's Buckley v. Valeo decision, which struck down mandatory spending limits as an unconstitutional restriction on free speech.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_Elections

I think this is a brilliant system. It eliminates coroporate interests in elections and forces our representatives to genuinely listen to us, not just put forward this farce that they are. What kind of democracy are we when corporations and private groups have a stronger voice than the average citizen?

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That should cover my thoughts on the subject.



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1595 times:

Easy. Only I may vote. I declare myself Benevolent Despot For Life, 100% income tax rate for any personal income over EUR1,000,000 per year, 100% corporation tax for profits in excess of 10% of gross revenues per year, all paid to me personally (cf. King of Saudi Arabia). I will then decide what to spend it on (I think a private 744 would be my first purchase, just like him !).

User currently offlineSoyuzavia From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1568 times:
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I would basically adopt Part One of Qaddafi's Green Book - entitled Democracy - except I would not make it Islamic in practice, and would also remove the figurehead dictator as is practiced in Libya.

Anything less than that is a dictatorship, and every so-called democratic country today falls under the dictatorship definition.

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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1567 times:

Outlaw the Republican Party?  Big grin

User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7408 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1561 times:
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Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 24):
Outlaw the Republican Party?

Being true to your inner voice, and coming out of the Demaocratic closet?



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User currently offlineTexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4277 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1543 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 21):
1. Voting must have a paper trail. There should be no such thing as an electric voting machine without a paper trail. Without a paper trail, there is no way to investigate corruption or voter fraud.

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Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 21):
2. Seriously limit campaign contributions from individuals, PACs, and corporations. The hand that they have in our government is sickening, and I feel its gotten to a point where its dictating our legislation.

Carry it even further to complete public financing of elections. Candidates may only spend the amount allotted to them by the government.

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 21):
6. Make any sort of voter fraud or voter corruption a serious felony with jail time a minimum. No probation, but instant jail time. This is our voter rights, the very foundation of our democracy, and when they are tampered with that is very serious.

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We also do not have to necessarily get rid of the electoral college. Just adapt it to do a percentage representation.

A large part of the problem lies in political parties. People start leeching onto their ideas and beliefs and pretty soon they can no longer think on their own. If we had candidates, publicly financed, who spoke what they actually believed and we were to elect those people, the landscape of the country would look much different and, in my opinion, much improved.

Texan



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User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 4008 posts, RR: 28
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1519 times:

Quoting Canuckpaxguy (Reply 6):
I used to think that way too

Maybe in Canada but here in Portugal we hardly get any referendums, and when we do politicians moan endlessly about it. Parliamentarians seem to think they have a divine mandate when most people are actually electing a Prime Minister, not them.

If it works in Switzerland there is no reason it cannot work in other democracies.



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