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Another Insane Law In Proposed In Blairs Britain!  
User currently offlineDaddiesSecret From Niue, joined Sep 2005, 270 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1487 times:

What is wrong with this Government? Are they insane? Remember this is a government which has proposed to allow 24 hour drinking (which i'm NOT against!). Is this me or is this a bizzare contradiction?

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Why is this government obsessed with banning things?

Do as Tony commands or be thrown in jail!

Perhaps if they concentrated on actually inforcing laws they might actually sort these things out, oh-no cant have that, lets get some more laws passed and pretend we are actually doing something.

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User currently offlineBHXFAOTIPYYC From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1445 times:

Yes, but that's the great thing about our Tony - he knows best, and he doesn't waver.


"We'll negotiate a withdrawal from the E.E.C. which has drained our natural resources and destroyed jobs.
Tony Blair, at his Sedgefield Election Address on 9 June 1983:

"I am a passionate pro-European. I always have been,"
Tony Blair, to the European Parliament on 23 June 2005



Breakfast in BHX, lunch in FAO, dinner in TIP, baggage in YYC.
User currently offlineJush From Germany, joined Apr 2005, 1636 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1438 times:

A German politican ones said:
"Was interessiert mich mein Gewäsch von gestern"

Roughly translated into:
"I don't give a f*ck about things i've said yesterday"

Don't forget it's a rough translation and he didn't say it this harsh but you'll get the idea.

Regards
jush



There is one problem with airbus. Though their products are engineering marvels they lack passion, completely.
User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1429 times:

It doesn't even make sense.

The reason people might feel intimdated is because there are no staff on public transport to take any action against people who are drunk. Given that this situation won't change, how the hell could it be policed anyway? Oh yes, you could say it'll be policed by putting staff on the trains and buses, but if you do that you wouldn't need to ban it in the first place.

I don't think this idea will go anywhere. It's similar to that utterly stupid idea to march people off to the cashpoint for an on the spot fine.



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User currently offlineTheSorcerer From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 1048 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1425 times:

Quoting Jush (Reply 2):
A German politican ones said:
"Was interessiert mich mein Gewäsch von gestern"

Sounds like something Edmund steuber would say.LOL

The Sorcerer



ALITALIA,All Landings In Torino, All Luggage In Athens ;)
User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12883 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1405 times:

I could understand such a law as to the Underground, regional transit busses, like similar laws we have in the USA with bans on the consumption of alcoholic beverages on our systems (but still allowed on regional/commuter trains). Some busses (NJ Transit, a regional bus company) bans the consumption of any beverages or food on their regional/commuter busses, mainly to keep the busses clean and to keep order on them.
Perhaps the law should be clearified to not ban on long-distance and mainline trains, air flights, etc.


User currently offlineQANTASFOREVER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1392 times:

Um - am I the only one who doesn't see the big deal here?

Drinking alcohol while using public transport has been illegal here for some time now - it hasn't really meant that we feel less free anymore, or that the government has gone mad (although in some other areas, yes it has). All this means - is that there is less of a chance that a drunk will fall onto the tracks, or that some alco will make a mess in the back of a bus.

Seriously - there are more important things in this world to be worrying about.

QFF


User currently offlineGoAround From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 616 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1377 times:

You won't need to drink on the bus home, anyway. You can just stay in the pub till your heart's content.


GoAround
User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3396 posts, RR: 29
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1375 times:

Quoting TheSorcerer (Reply 4):

Actually it was Konrad Adenauer, one of the best politicians Europe has ever seen. You should see his speeches, very funny, but I would not have liked to have him as my father  Wink


User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4626 posts, RR: 37
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1364 times:

I don't think this a law banning already drunk people from public transit, but rather banning consumption of alcohol while using public transit. Big difference. And why would it be such a shock? Here in Canada it's illegal to drink anywhere in public that isn't licensed (bar, restaurant etc) let alone on a bus or subway!!

Kris



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User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1353 times:

Part of the frustration is that most people are law abiding citizens who take these laws seriously to make life in a crowded city like London easier.

It is annoying to have these stupid laws passed and not policed. Everyone drives around speaking on the mobile phones now, people eat on the buses, everyone is speeding between speed cameras etc.

Don't make laws you can't enforce cos it only makes a government look weak.

Maybe they could focus on getting the economy working instead.


User currently offlineBrettbrett21 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1318 times:

Yea who actually cares?!
Up until now I didn't know it was LEGAL to drink on busses/trains. On a lot of them eating and drinking is banned anyway along with smoking. Is it really that hard to go without a drink for a whole 20 min bus ride?!

brett



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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1279 times:

Quoting QANTASFOREVER (Reply 6):
Um - am I the only one who doesn't see the big deal here?

Drinking alcohol while using public transport has been illegal here for some time now - it hasn't really meant that we feel less free anymore, or that the government has gone mad (although in some other areas, yes it has). All this means - is that there is less of a chance that a drunk will fall onto the tracks, or that some alco will make a mess in the back of a bus.

Seriously - there are more important things in this world to be worrying about.

Couldn't agree more.


User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3831 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1270 times:

GOOD!

I wouldn't want some stinking, burping, singing old drunk next to me in a crowded bus or tube carriage anyway!


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8494 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1258 times:

So...

Are Britons subjects or free men?


User currently offlinePMN From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 563 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1254 times:

"The move is designed to stop passengers being terrorised by drunken yobs on trains and buses."

Stop passengers being terrorised by drunken yobs? What a complete load of bollocks. If the idiots who thought up these nonsense laws actually did an occasional trip on public transport, they would realise that it's the age group BELOW the 'yobs' who've just discovered drink, who do most of the terrorising. At least, that's the way it seems to me in my part of the world.

I'm a regular user of public buses and trains, and have been for the last 10 or so years. I can't remember the last time I saw someone drinking alcohol on public transport causing problems. I can think of numerous times I've wanted to kick the living shit out of some mouthy 13-14 year old kid who insists on abusing staff who are simply doing their job, or possibly even worse, abusing other passengers who are generally of the older generation and deserve better.

Quoting GoAround (Reply 7):
You won't need to drink on the bus home, anyway. You can just stay in the pub till your heart's content.

Returning to the point of drunken yobs, I understand your point here, and it's a very valid one. True, you don't (or at least I don't) need to drink on the bus home. However, if I've just returned after a plane or ferry journey and have a long train ride home, I occasionally like to have a beer or few glasses of red wine. I don't get abusive when I drink. I don't get aggressive as I'm not an aggressive person (luckily for the kids mentioned in the previous paragraph). The vast majority of travellers are the same. Why should I, and many others, not be allowed to have a relaxing drink just because of a few selfish, ignorant idiots who can't handle their booze? It is these few selfish, ignorant idiots who should be dealt with in an appropriate way (maybe dropping them off a cliff or down a deep well somewhere), and NOT the majority who should suffer.

Another prime example of the good old British government not having a clue what they're talking about, but as with everything, that is of course, just my opinion.

Anyway, rant over (for now).

Paul



Edith in his bed, a plane in the rain is humming, the wires in the walls are humming some song - some mysterious song
User currently offlineKaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1249 times:

Quoting PMN (Reply 15):
I'm a regular user of public buses and trains, and have been for the last 10 or so years. I can't remember the last time I saw someone drinking alcohol on public transport causing problems. I can think of numerous times I've wanted to kick the living shit out of some mouthy 13-14 year old kid who insists on abusing staff who are simply doing their job, or possibly even worse, abusing other passengers who are generally of the older generation and deserve better.

Exactly! I have never ever seen a drunk person kick off on a bus or a train. I've read about it happening on flights but even then those are few and far between. This law makes no difference to me, if they pass it, so be it. if not... who gives a toss?



Whoever said "laughter is the best medicine" never had Gonorrhea
User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7917 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1236 times:

Here in Berlin, drinking alcohol on public transport is prohibited - not by law but by the rules of BVG, the company that operates buses and trains.

Not that many people actually care about those rules, but it is still better this way than pushing another unnecessary law through the parliament.



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User currently offlineDaddiesSecret From Niue, joined Sep 2005, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1189 times:

Quoting Vasu (Reply 13):
GOOD!

I wouldn't want some stinking, burping, singing old drunk next to me in a crowded bus or tube carriage anyway!

who'd stop them if you were on a tube? would you? whats the point in having a law if it isn't enforced?

Quoting PMN (Reply 15):
I'm a regular user of public buses and trains, and have been for the last 10 or so years. I can't remember the last time I saw someone drinking alcohol on public transport causing problems. I can think of numerous times I've wanted to kick the living shit out of some mouthy 13-14 year old kid who insists on abusing staff who are simply doing their job, or possibly even worse, abusing other passengers who are generally of the older generation and deserve better.

abso-f*cking-lutely


User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1170 times:

Quoting DaddiesSecret (Thread starter):
What is wrong with this Government? Are they insane? Remember this is a government which has proposed to allow 24 hour drinking (which i'm NOT against!). Is this me or is this a bizzare contradiction?

It's a government, they don't have to be logical (if they had to there'd be very few governments left standing after 5 minutes of operation).

Quoting DaddiesSecret (Thread starter):
Why is this government obsessed with banning things?

Government policy making in 3 sentences (free after Ronald Reagan as he experienced the way Capitol Hill works, Whitehall works similarly):
- if it moves, tax it.
- if it still moves, ban it.
- if it stops moving, subsidise it.

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 14):
Are Britons subjects or free men?

They are her Majesty the Queen's subjects by law.
Her Majesty is officially the boss of the Blairforce, but in reality Tony rules alone.



I wish I were flying
User currently offlinePaulc From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1156 times:

How many people actually get drunk while on a bus or train ? yet by allowing the 24hr drinking you are only going to increase the chances of somebody who is already drunk getting on a bus / train


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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1151 times:

Quoting Paulc (Reply 20):
yet by allowing the 24hr drinking

Let's get one thing straight here. Although the phrase is beloved of the tabloids, this is not going to be 24 hour drinking. What will happen is that pubs that currently close at 11 will probably stay open till midnight or 1 am on a Friday and Saturday - maybe 2am in city centres. There won't be demand for that much else. You'll get nightclubs that will still open later, but the chances that everyone is suddenly going to be drinking right round the clock are nil.

And by the way, it looks like this idea about banning drinking on the buses and trains has been swiftly dropped.



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User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1148 times:

Most people who are drunk on public trasnsport are drunk before boarding, so the rule will make no difference to 99% of passengers.

It would be easier to ban chavs - I've never seen a drunk kick off on a train, and I feel more uncomfortable when a large group of chavs board than when a bloke with a Stella does.



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 54
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1146 times:

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 22):
than when a bloke with a Stella does.

Is that Kirkie's blow-up girlfriend? Big grin



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1141 times:

Amazing isn't it?

Something proposed in a discussion document from outside the Government gets spun and distorted by the media and all of a sudden it's a LAW.

Ideas get proposed all the time. Sometimes those ideas make it into legislation, frequently they get changed first, many more times they go nowhere. This one won't work as it is focussed on the wrong issue, which is drinking on the services and not the problem of abusive drunks boarding services in the first place.

Incidentally the 24 hour drinking thing just brings Britain ino the 21st century and does away with legislation introduced around the First World War. The onus is now firmly on the pubs and clubs to trade responsibly, and if they don't then they lose their licences altogether. Shame that the Daily Mail and the rest can't see beyond their own spin and hatred.


25 Post contains images Banco : On which matter, when can we expect the government to do away witha law introduced during the Napolonic Wars? Namely the introduction of income tax.
26 BigOrange : You're not the only one QANTAS, I agree. Here there are laws to stop people drinking alcohol in public, along with eating and drinking on trains/buse
27 Lewis : Go for it!!! I am sick of smelling everybody's puke when I use the tube late at night (although this doesnt always have to do with people consuming al
28 DaddiesSecret : yes, this will happen won't it, it seems like you actually believe what the government says! hmm, yes THIS government is a VICTIM of spin. where do y
29 BCAL : So do I take it that it will be illegal under the proposed new law for any airline to sell alcoholic drinks on a UK domestic flight?
30 Jafa39 : Doesn't stop pissed people getting on the bus and being dickheads, when i lived in the Uk the only truly obnoxious people I saw misbehaving on public
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