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Hermann Goering Statement  
User currently offlineBR076 From Netherlands, joined May 2005, 1086 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2177 times:

Sometimes when I've nothing better to do I read an US political discussion and always if something critical is said about the government or against the Iraq war the poster is called a damned Liberal or even communist and he/she is unpatriotic and not a true American.
It always make me think about the famous Hermann Goering statement.
any thoughts?




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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2162 times:

Just don't try to go too far with the comparisons.

His Reich told the Germany people that their Army had been attacked by the Poles (in Poland - imagine) whereas, we are pretty sure we were attacked on 9/11. Are you saying that was just propaganda? That it didn't really happen?



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2157 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 1):
His Reich told the Germany people that their Army had been attacked by the Poles (in Poland - imagine) whereas, we are pretty sure we were attacked on 9/11.

And that's why we turned around and attacked a nation that had nothing to do with 9/11, SlamClick?


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2151 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 2):
And that's why we turned around and attacked a nation that had nothing to do with 9/11, SlamClick?

Did I say that?



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8693 posts, RR: 43
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2140 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 3):
Did I say that?

No, but BR076 didn't say a thing about 9/11 either.  Wink



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2131 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 1):
had been attacked by the Poles

and GWB-II told YOUR country that Saddam Hussein was attacking the USA !
and that S.H. had Atomic and Biological and Chemical (ABC) weapons
and that S.H. was a threat for the U.S.A.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2131 times:

exactly the way in which GWB help up his "alarms" and finally talked about the danger emanating from Saddam Hussein has proven Mr Goering right

[Edited 2005-10-30 17:40:15]

User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2125 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 3):
Did I say that?

Not really, but neither did Mr Goering. YOU however apparently felt attacked by Saddam Hussein, as you were told by GWB, exactly along to the idea of Mr Goering


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2118 times:

Quoting BR076 (Thread starter):
if something critical is said about the government or against the Iraq war the poster is called a damned Liberal or even communist and he/she is unpatriotic and not a true American.

And then people like you come along and compare the pro-war crowd to Nazis. Name-calling from the extremes from both sides; we can never have a true discussion of the matters with that kind of inflammatory posting.

Harry



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User currently offlineNumberTwelve From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2109 times:

BR076, thanks a lot for that comment!
This is one of the reasons why we don't always rely on that what politicians say and why we fear alot when people in a country cry for war and "patriotism" which is very very close to Racism.

Imagine: people are only counting killed people from their own nation and nobody cares how many innocent people in the invaded country have been killed/murdered. Strange, this reminds me on the "Arier" propaganda of the Nazis.

People say, the Nazis "invented" modern propaganda, and it's up to people if they realise that their governments spread lots of propaganda too or if they just follow their "leaders" (Führer) brainless as the Germans in the 30's did.

[Edited 2005-10-30 18:15:26]


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User currently offlineBR076 From Netherlands, joined May 2005, 1086 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2103 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 8):
And then people like you come along and compare the pro-war crowd to Nazis.

No I did not,

If you read what Goering said: "wether it is a democacy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parlament or a communist dictatorship"



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User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5015 posts, RR: 44
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2058 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 8):
And then people like you come along and compare the pro-war crowd to Nazis.

He did no such thing. Read what Goering said again: the technique has been used by all sorts of regimes, both democracies and dictatorships. It just happened to be a Nazi who said it.


User currently offlineBHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2003 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 5):
and GWB-II told YOUR country that Saddam Hussein was attacking the USA !

I don't believe this is true. If I'm not mistaken, he told us that Saddam wanted to attack the US

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 5):
and that S.H. had Atomic and Biological and Chemical (ABC) weapons

Atomic - no, he said that Saddam was trying to acquire these - do you think this is false?

B & C - GWB was hardly alone in this opinion. Would it have been wise to take chances with a psycho like this who has demonstrated multiple times that he has no problem with possessing or using such?

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 5):
and that S.H. was a threat for the U.S.A.

Clearly true.

Quoting NumberTwelve (Reply 9):
Imagine: people are only counting killed people from their own nation and nobody cares how many innocent people in the invaded country have been killed/murdered. Strange, this reminds me on the "Arier" propaganda of the Nazis.

So, you think that the lack of body counts for the enemy is because we are Nazis and not because we are trying to avoid repeating the farce that body counts during Vietnam became?

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 11):
You KNOW this is going to turn ugly when the serious Rightards wake up and start frothing...

No, it got ugly when you popped in with your inane name calling.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1981 times:

Remember it was Goering that also said that Americans know how to build washing machines and refridgerators but they don't know how to build airplanes.


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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1974 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 4):
Quoting SlamClick (Reply 3):
Did I say that?

No, but BR076 didn't say a thing about 9/11 either.

Thanks you. Shows the paranoia, scared mentality of some Americans, that even when 9/11 isn't mentioned, it's brought up, outside the context of what was alluded to.


User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1958 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 19):
Remember it was Goering that also said that Americans know how to build washing machines and refridgerators but they don't know how to build airplanes.

As if the topic wasn't hot enough, you have to bring A vs. B into the discussion.  Wink

Popcorn anybody?


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1954 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 20):
Thanks you. Shows the paranoia, scared mentality of some Americans, that even when 9/11 isn't mentioned, it's brought up, outside the context of what was alluded to.

Okay folks it is the height of spineless hypocrisy to pretend that the thread starter wasn't referring to the US and the present administration in particular.

Quoting BR076 (Thread starter):
Sometimes when I've nothing better to do I read an US political discussion and always if something critical is said about the government or against the Iraq war the poster is called a damned Liberal or even communist and he/she is unpatriotic and not a true American.
It always make me think about the famous Hermann Goering statement.
any thoughts?

So unless someone can name a war that the US is involved in . . .

Just a little character please, a little integrity. Admit that the thread-starter started it.



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1950 times:
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This is just like when people compare the quotes from Hitler on gun control with the anti-gun crowd who are trying to ban and then collect all the legally owned firearms. Only less accurate. (This is how flamefests are started)

Quoting NumberTwelve (Reply 17):
Is it "only" ugly or inadequate because not true? Ugly but true is ok, I think, as long as we get such "bad" names like "LIBERAL" lol

It's ugly because it's comparing the people who support the war on terror, and believe that the war in Iraq is being fought against terrorists, to Nazis. It's disengenuous to pretend that anything else was meant. It's also a surefire way to generate some nasty namecalling.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 22):
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 20):
Thanks you. Shows the paranoia, scared mentality of some Americans, that even when 9/11 isn't mentioned, it's brought up, outside the context of what was alluded to.

Okay folks it is the height of spineless hypocrisy to pretend that the thread starter wasn't referring to the US and the present administration in particular.

true.



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User currently offlineVC-10 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 1999, 3700 posts, RR: 34
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1941 times:
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It's an interesting quote.

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 8):
And then people like you come along and compare the pro-war crowd to Nazis.

He didn't.


User currently offlineTheSorcerer From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 1048 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1926 times:

Quoting NumberTwelve (Reply 9):
brainless as the Germans in the 30's did

Germany's economy was in terrible condition in the 30s and Hitler looked like a possibility to get them out off that depression, when they realized what he was doing it was too late.

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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1909 times:

Quoting TheSorcerer (Reply 25):
when they realized what he was doing it was too late.

Exactly that is the "brainless" part. I'm not so arrogant to claim that, under the given circumstances, I would have never ever supported Hitler's party (I can only hope I would have been about as liberal as I am today), but voters could have known very well what Hitler's policies were aiming to. If you want to read a good book on that, try "Defying Hitler: A Memoir" by Sebastian Haffner.

BTW: "Only" 40 or 42 percent of the Germans voted for Hitler's NSDAP. Not enough to bring him to power.



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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1904 times:

Post Scriptum: If anyone actually considers buying a copy of Mr. Haffner's book, make sure it contains the chapter about Haffner's stay at Camp Juetterborg. This chapter - in my opinion by far the best - was later found and is not included in older issues.


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1897 times:

Quoting Racko (Reply 21):
As if the topic wasn't hot enough, you have to bring A vs. B into the discussion.

I think it was a Kelly Johnson vs. Kurt Tank argument back then Big grin



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1891 times:
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Quoting TheSorcerer (Reply 25):
Germany's economy was in terrible condition in the 30s and Hitler looked like a possibility to get them out off that depression, when they realized what he was doing it was too late.

His platform that blamed Jews was not acceptable as a price for economic recovery. He played on an accepted prejudice and then took it farther.



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User currently offlineThumper3181 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1860 times:

Quoting BR076 (Thread starter):
Sometimes when I've nothing better to do I read an US political discussion and always if something critical is said about the government or against the Iraq war the poster is called a damned Liberal or even communist and he/she is unpatriotic and not a true American.
It always make me think about the famous Hermann Goering statement.
any thoughts?

Yeah, what is the point you are trying to make?


25 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : aren't they ugly anyway ?
26 ME AVN FAN : "believers" ? rather ADDICTS !
27 ME AVN FAN : just another MIS-information --- he never did
28 ME AVN FAN : no, S.H. did have a program for that reason in the 80ies. But your president talked as if that program had survived 1991, which was NOT the case
29 ME AVN FAN : the point is that it would have been possible to topple S.H., a leader most unpopular among the military leaders, through the secret service. To choo
30 MDorBust : Ummm... who is GWB-II?
31 Falcon84 : Stop playing lame-brain. You know who he is referring to.
32 MDorBust : No no. If we are going to suffer another thread of poorly educated rants, I insist that names of the purported offenders at least be correct. We are s
33 BHMBAGLOCK : The Secret Service is not equipped or trained for this mission nor would they be legally allowed to engage in such work. Perhaps you are thinking of
34 Thumper3181 : Well said. I notice the silence is deafening.
35 JCS17 : That is actually still in question. There have been a number of reports linking the 9/11 terrorists, in one way or another to Iraq. No one would say
36 Falcon84 : Actually, it's no in queston, except among the fantasts of the right like yourself, Jcs. It's never been proven; there's no link, no proof, and even
37 ME AVN FAN : A) When asleep in bed I am usually "silent" ! B) The "gentleman" was of course NOT meant literally C) If I agree in one point than it is that somethi
38 ME AVN FAN : what you call "reports" all came from the same source, the US-government, and were rather rumours. Mrs Thatcher back in 1990 gave three valid reasons
39 Stall : No If the Pentagon could provide evidence of this they would have done it to get rid of all critisim about Iraq invasion.
40 BHMBAGLOCK : To an American this is a highly offensive statement. We are not repeat not colonizing Iraq. Nor are we colonizing Afghanistan. You sound like you adm
41 ME AVN FAN : the majority of the Shi'ites are secularists and NOT fundamentalists. There was no reason to favour the clerics, to the disadvantage of the populatio
42 SlamClick : Well, I told you what I thought of you and your country but it got deleted by a European moderator. So much for a level playing field.
43 ME AVN FAN : let me make ONE thing completely clear, and that is that I did N O T ask anybody to delete your posting. And I replied to your posting without anythi
44 ME AVN FAN : there of course is the unfortunate aspect that many US-Americans apparently originate from that village where people are always right
45 SlamClick : Then of course there is that little Alpine village that speaks only in irony.
46 BHMBAGLOCK : It's true that most are secularists. They clearly appreciate a chance for democracy. Engagement of the fundamentalists is also a good idea. They don'
47 SFOMEX : To compare the Bush administration with the Nazi regime is just out of proportion. Period.
48 Falcon84 : In your opinion. There are some who compare the two, and are dead serious. I think it's stretch, but to a lot of people around the world, who never d
49 B744F : its more along the lines of rushing a country into an unjust war for conquest with lies and blind patriotism. Who knows what the future will bring? T
50 BHMBAGLOCK : Allies - nominally, trusted - no way in hell.
51 L-188 : ROTFLMAO!!!! And you don't think that was enough? Hell the rest of the world thought it was enough. Remember the US wasn't/isn't the only country hel
52 UAL777 : DING DING DING we have a winner!!! Iraq is what it is. People need to stop crying over what should or should not have been done and focus on the here
53 DaddiesSecret : DING! DING! DING! Comic book guy - stupidest post ever! These four steps would hand victory on a plate to the insurgents, it would be a PR nightmare
54 B744F : No I don't, because otherwise we would be invading Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and a few other countries who did more to allow the 9-11 attacks to take p
55 Stall : Don't forget to bring them home when you leave !!! How many US soldiers do you think will be needed to do this ? Do Vietnam and F4, B52, etc ring a b
56 Post contains images Flyingbabydoc : Agreed. As I mentioned in another post, there was a lot of "resistance" to the Führer and henchmen, particularly within the army - thus the attempt
57 ME AVN FAN : THIS only applies to the violent section of the Ba'ath Party who have joined the rebels, not however the majority of the Ba'ath Party, now working un
58 UAL777 : WRONG. The vast majority of insurgent border crossings will come under the cover of night. Civilians will just have to travel during the day and stay
59 B744F : *yawn* A little upset when the truth comes out? It must hurt to only have a spine Never said they were victims, strawman. I said you shouldn't be sur
60 L-188 : Easy, he didn't pick his fights. GW saw terrorisim for what it is....a virus...or parasite. In order to cure it you have to attack the whole problem
61 DaddiesSecret : Otherwise, you want to kill them, then how are you different form the people you are fighting? Ironically the German invasion of France was probably
62 Stall : I really don't believe that technologies will ever work against guerrilla war especially if a large portion of the civil population is against the 'o
63 Tbar220 : Very interesting quote. Reminds me of Donald Rumsfeld who said something along the lines of basically, "If you don't support the war, you are supporti
64 DaddiesSecret : you never see those pictures of him shaking hand with saddam on FOX do you?
65 ACDC8 : Wasn't Mr.Boeing from Germany (or had German heritage)? I'm not going to get into this debate but very interesting quote with a lot of truth behind i
66 Post contains images Stall : I just notice this little gem. What people working in the field, you know ... to gather food, take care of animals etc ..... Oh, I see. The US troops
67 FDXMECH : Question 1; How often do you watch Fox News? Question 2; How often do you see pictures of FDR shaking hands with Stalin?
68 UAL777 : B744F, is it even POSSIBLE for you to formulate an intellegant answer to ANYTHING. All you do is spew out a bunch of general comments(half truths at
69 ACDC8 : Thanks for the answering my question if Mr.Boeing was American (born there) or not. I didn't mean my statement about Americans not being able to buil
70 B744F : Wow what a stretch! Here was a President who was forced to ally himself with an evil dictator because of a war against an even bigger evil dictator.
71 UAL777 : All I can say is this. You have failed to formulate 1 just 1 response. Anyone can quote Einstein, but you obviously cannot think for yourself. As for
72 B744F : lets see... I quote Einstein because it goes along with my opinions about those that enjoy violence, and advocate it to anyone they consider the enem
73 ME AVN FAN : ** No longer possible to visit friends or relatives after sunset ? ** No longer possible to work overtime in office ? ** No longer possible to go to
74 Stall : That's already a large number of man that you have to engage for a certain neighborhood, imagine if you have to control the entire border with Syria.
75 Post contains links FDXMECH : Actually no stretch whatsoever. If you research events (or a photo) in the actual historical context of why they happened rather than play moronic "g
76 B744F : You mean... in regards to the Reagan administration selling weapons and intelligence to Iraq, including WMD? I sure hope you aren't going to deny thi
77 B744F : another quote " The U.S. was concerned with its ability to project military force in the Middle East, and to keep the oil flowing." Not about oil, eh?
78 FDXMECH : And it shows.
79 FDXMECH : How do you differentiate this from the US policy towards the USSR? Stalin was an evil dictator. Then Stalin signs a non-aggression pact with Germany
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