Usnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 54 Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2550 times:
Quoting Alberchico (Reply 3): I simply asked because in the U.S we have riots all the time because of racial tensions between people and police...
Yeah, we do. Its actually pretty amazing that France hasn't had near as many, with their country far more diverse with ethnicities than most American locations.
Hopefully it will end soon. I imagine it will. They'll eventually look around, after they've flipped a few cars and pissed on streets, and ask, 'what next?' Then, no one answers and the momentum is lost.
JGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2507 times:
The item makes it sound like the second revolution - it wasn't, it was just some miss-spent yoofs chucking rocks at the police, and setting some cars on fire, in a very crappy outer suburb of Paris. I didn't follow it much on the news, apparently 2 teenagers got themselves electrocuted hiding in an electrical substation (hellooo !) after running away from a police ID check. All their buddies got annoyed about this and started a riot. All very pointless.
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12665 posts, RR: 13 Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2368 times:
Despite the high respect for personal and human rights in France, they created these horrible urban ring cities/towns to put the 'immigrants', mainly North Africans and Islamic, there and out of Paris itself. They have high rates of unemployment or chronic underemployment. They have high crime rates. Much of the housing seems to be clearly doomed to failure as much is high-rise public slums, not designed to be occupant friendly. There has been long running hostility and prejudice against the poor and working class Muslims in France. No wonder unrest has developed.
B744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2354 times:
Quoting TPASXM787 (Reply 12): Holy unrelated! Wouldn't want those big bad US corporations employing people or making a profit. Maybe we should just outsource a little more?
Unrelated? Protections to the workforce allows more people to be employed at higher rates and keeps prices more under control. Making a profit shouldn't come before the welfare of the population, even though you and the rest would fight that to your deaths. Good idea, outsource, reincorporate in tax free havens, its the American dream!
Quoting TPASXM787 (Reply 12): There are many communities in the US with racial tensions with the police, but they are remarkably well controlled if you really think about it (as hard as this will be for you B744F)
If you call remarkably well controlled just throwing them all in jail, then sure. If you want to take a stroll down these places at night I will happily visit you in the hospital after, so you can tell me how well controlled they are. Then you can look at their crime and unemployment rates, but that would also take thinking which you claim I don't, yet common sense always goes against you
Perhaps you should compare the unemployment rate in the US with that of France? Outsouring and all these stupid trade agreements are killing the Us economy. Soon there will be no middle class, and I find that offensive. The question is do any leaders have the balls to step up and do anything about it? Nope, becuase they are all bought and sold already.
B744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2320 times:
Quoting TPASXM787 (Reply 14):
Perhaps you should compare the unemployment rate in the US with that of France?
First of all, you can't. The Us does not define unemployment like the rest of the industrial world. Second, an unemployed person in France is much better off with better options and support than they are in the US
Ooh, another one with a sophisticated, nuanced understanding of these issues.
And, besides, what are the second-generation kids supposed to do? (because I'm pretty sure that most of the kids involved here are second or third generation and born in the ghetto slum HLM's of Paris's banlieu.)
Let me know when you finish solving all the world's problems with black and white solutions...
Actually sometimes issues need to be black and white. We had problems with this in Portugal this summer, and in England last week. Too much time and effort gets dedicated to analyzing things and explaining why they are so hard done by, and how it's always someone else's fault, etc etc. I don't agree.
Breakfast in BHX, lunch in FAO, dinner in TIP, baggage in YYC.
DL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11443 posts, RR: 78 Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2263 times:
JG....I think it's a bit more serious than that.
Quoting B744F (Reply 10): Please don't speak, you have the nerve to insult my comments when I say the truth, and you come out with nonsense like this?
Quoting B744F (Reply 17): First of all, you can't. The Us does not define unemployment like the rest of the industrial world. Second, an unemployed person in France is much better off with better options and support than they are in the US
Whole lotta chirpin' goin' on.....
Used to be that the French rioted each spring...right around final exams time. Masses of students.
It got to the point that it is commonplace to see the national police dressed and ready to put down a riot with water cannon and automatic weapons anytime there is a demonstration of any kind. I wonder what would happen here if we had a paramilitary police force permanently mobilized in the major cities always putting on a show of force?
Here we seem to have a riot every 5 or 10 years, but we also have far more people and territory than any one single European nation.
One more thing......it's not all about violent police car burning ....tell me how many civil disruptions there are in France every year that interrupt peoples lives..... how many are here that paralyze the nation.
Quoting BHXFAOTIPYYC (Reply 19): Too much time and effort gets dedicated to analyzing things and explaining why they are so hard done by, and how it's always someone else's fault, etc etc. I don't agree.
Translation: they spent so much time and effort into trying to understand a situation to help in the future by preventing it.
You don't agree? You should move to America, most people here love simple incorrect solutions to complicated problems
Usnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 54 Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2222 times:
Quoting B744F (Reply 10): France has many more protections of working people in place to keep them happy compared to the free reign of corporations here
Have you ever been to France or lived there for ANY amount of time? France doesn't have shit worth of protections for the working people in the eyes of the French people, or else they wouldn't strike over every damn issue.
Please....remove head from ass before chirping.....you might hurt yourself.
B744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2199 times:
Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 22): France doesn't have shit worth of protections for the working people in the eyes of the French people, or else they wouldn't strike over every damn issue.
Umm, pull your head out of GWB's ass and reread what I wrote. I said they had more protections than "here" to keep them happy. The only reason America sees less is because the police have an easier time just locking people up
25 Fumanchewd: Any American city is more diverse than European cities. Chicago, LA, SF, etc. etc.. If you want to compare Waco, Texas to Paris then you may be corre
26 DL021: You really think that? Have you spent alot of time in European cities? I'd say that while most US cities have multi-ethnic populations in terms of ra
27 Usnseallt82: I'm going to take a pretty wild guess that you haven't been outside of the U.S. much. Most European cities are crawling with more ethnicities from ev
28 Fumanchewd: I would think that is a generalization. I haven't lived in European cities, but have visited quite a few. There are specific immigrant populations in
29 Fumanchewd: Its not wild, just ignorant. Diversity isn't exclusive to an "us vs. them" mindsight as you presume. Just because Americans mingle together more does
30 DL021: Diversity has become a code word that has grown beyond it's original meaning. Many now regard diversity as letting people come here and not doing any
31 ANCFlyer: We do???? All the time???? So, what's the loss? Two assholes running from the police - again - and now it's someone else's fault they were stupid???
32 MidnightMike: Riots are still going on, 8 days of rioting, maybe it is time to call in the Military... http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/France AULNAY-SOUS-BOIS, Franc
33 Slider: And therin lies the problem-- a void of leadership. Total vacuum in terms of any assertive face of leadership.
34 Banco: Interesting logic. You say African American as an example of how inclusive you are, and we say British Asian as an example of how exclusive we are? E
35 Beefstew25: It is called socialism...Think of an F-16 in full afterburner tied to the Titanic....the non-acheivers hold the acheivers back.... Gotta love the sta
36 Aither: There is a big difference between US and European immigrants : patriotism. I've noticed in the US that Black, Asian or Spanish communities are largely
37 Lumberton: What's your opinion? True/false? Sounds like things are becoming very polarized.
38 DL021: Incapacity is the wrong word....it is more unwillingness. Il's peut, mais ils veux pas. They can, but they don't want to. Their leaders are telling t
39 Jmc1975: Looks like they're throwing more turbans around than berets.
40 Alessandro: They surely do Le Pen a favor by their actions.
41 Clipperhawaii: A full week of riots in France! Where are all the Europeans commenting on this thread?????? If these riots were happening in the U.S. this thread woul
42 MD11Engineer: Most European cities have those housing areas. I grew up in one of them myself (from age of one to age of 11, the Gropiusstatd in West Berlin). The h
43 NWA742: Isn't it about time to declare martial law and start shooting these motherfuckers who are burning down buildings and shooting at police? If I was the
44 Teahan: Not much the major of Paris can do since these riots are not in Paris.