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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31573 posts, RR: 57
Posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1059 times:



I'm not too sure How many people have actually felt hunger out of Poverty out in the West.
Def some may have felt it while dieting or Stuck on the road with no restraunt.

Its a weird Experience.Watching a few street kids yesterday I was thinking of just the same thing.

No one should be hungry in todays world.

Out here In Bom.poor kids are often fed by Customers at Food outlets.
Hows it out there.
regds
MEL


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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8617 posts, RR: 43
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1057 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Thread starter):
I'm not too sure How many people have actually felt hunger out of Poverty out in the West.

Very, very few in my genration have felt hunger. Older people are more likely to have experienced "true hunger" during WW2 and in the post-war period.

Quoting HAWK21M (Thread starter):
No one should be hungry in todays world.

That's right, but the day this will become a reality is soooo far away it's just sad.

As for myself, I haven't felt "true hunger" yet. If I eat a lot in the evening I will often feel horrible pain in my stomach the next morning, which will only go away once I eat, but I guess actual hunger must be many times worse.



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User currently offlineEI747SYDNEY From Ireland, joined Oct 2005, 701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1051 times:

Mel,

It's an awful situation and one that no one should find themselves in. Especially in this day and age. I can imagine that India has it's fair share of street children. An awful lot of Irish aid workers have been sent to various parts of the country to try and help but it's just an uphill struggle. Mother Theresa dedicated her whole life to the street children of Kolkata. It seems to me that altough the world fundraises to help these charaties we still need help from Governments.

Rob



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User currently offlineAGM114L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1045 times:

Yes, a few years ago when I went through SERE (survival, evasion, resistance, and escape) school. Other than some wild onions yuck  I didn't eat for a week and had to drink swamp water, and being on the run 10 hours a day didn't make in any easier. After three days without food you actually get used to it. And lets not mention how great the end of SERE training is  fight .

Definitely the most miserable time of my life, learned a lot though. I was surprised on how much I could do on so little food. This training should be mandatory for every American, it would definitely put things in perspective and make them appriciate what they have.


User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7917 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1022 times:

Yes, in a way that the hunger turned into a painful feeling and I had trouble finding some sleep at night. But that was a result of the way I sometimes chose to travel when I was still studying. I knew perfectly well I was in an uncomfortable situation but still relatively safe, and I knew we would make it as long as none of us would break his legs or whatever. Let alone that we almost always had fresh water.
I really do not wish to seriously compare our situation with those poor people shown in the picture above.



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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1012 times:

Stop having babies.

(filler)



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User currently offlineBR076 From Netherlands, joined May 2005, 1080 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 997 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 5):
Stop having babies.

Yeah right  Yeah sure , that's the solution 75% less hunger in the world




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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5900 posts, RR: 40
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 985 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 5):
Stop having babies.

(filler)

or let the US helps them, instead of bombing Iraq.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31573 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 971 times:

Out here at Schools.Lunch & Milk is provided free to the needy kids.But there are so many on the street still & others working to run their Families.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineYooYoo From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 6057 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 971 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 5):
Stop having babies



Quoting Avianca (Reply 7):
or let the US helps them, instead of bombing Iraq.

I agree with the above, AND the other countries of the world !!



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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7917 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 963 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 5):
Stop having babies.

Without pensions they need children to survive when they are getting older, you cynic.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 7):
or let the US helps them, instead of bombing Iraq.

They do. And providing help without destroying the existing infrastructure is much more difficult than you think.



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11445 posts, RR: 76
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 962 times:
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Quoting AGM114L (Reply 3):
Yes, a few years ago when I went through SERE (survival, evasion, resistance, and escape) school. Other than some wild onions I didn't eat for a week and had to drink swamp water, and being on the run 10 hours a day didn't make in any easier. After three days without food you actually get used to it. And lets not mention how great the end of SERE training is .

Yeah....but SERE school was a choice. We went hungry and ran through the woods in North Carolina and then let the guys at RTL slap us a little. After that we went to the mess hall or Burger King at Smoke Bomb and pigged out.

In my life I've been to North Africa during famine, the middle east during war, and Valley Forge in winter (although I had food, protection and warm boots)
I've been tired, hungry and cold....but I've never been truly hungry, tired or cold.

OK....so my solution would be to tell the warlords of Somalia to stop deliberately starving their own people, tell the people of southwest Asian nations to stop killing each other over land and religion (mostly land), and to find a way to ship the surplus crops in producing nations to the nations where people are starving until they either start growing their own food or moving somewhere food can grow.



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User currently offlineAGM114L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 960 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 5):
Stop having babies.

SlamClick has a point, however harshly put, but there is just too many people out there.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 7):
or let the US helps them, instead of bombing Iraq.

Ok there dude, we are already, no other country gives as much aid as the US. Granted we are a nation of fat people but come one, making this solely the Unitied State's problem is assinine. Other countries need to do their part, including the countries with prolific starvation.


User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 949 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 7):
or let the US helps them, instead of bombing Iraq.

Why the hell does the US have to help everyone? Do we look like the global ATM?


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 950 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Thread starter):
No one should be hungry in todays world.

Why the hell not?

Did God say so?
Let God provide enough food for them.
Let God purify the water they urinate and defecate and die in.

Sorry folks but I reject the guilt you try to saddle me with. The reason that kid is starving to death is NOT because I am well fed. It has much more to do with the fact that my parents (with no pension) did not have more children than they could afford to feed.

Breeding like that is wildly grossly irresponsible. It is criminally irresponsible to bring children into a place where they cannot possibly survive. Indiscriminate breeding, THAT is the cruelty - not buying myself a wide-screen TV instead of them a bag of rice.

Quoting BR076 (Reply 6):
Yeah right , that's the solution 75% less hunger in the world

You are damn right it is the solution. No kidding. No sarcasm. There are places in the world that will never be able to support the kind of population that mindless fornication and religious prohibition against birth control will force upon them.

And could you make your guilt-graphic any bigger?
Weak ass argument.

If I sold everything I own, liquidated, converted it all to food and water, transported it to these places and distributed it to the starving ones three things would happen.

1. I would then starve.
2. The fertility of women getting better nourishment would increase.
3. The statistics would not even be bumped a tiny bit.

But by all means donate if your personal guilt requires it.

Call me heartless if you wish but I know damn well that I give more than you do.

I just don't buy your bullshit guilt messages.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 7):
or let the US helps them, instead of bombing Iraq.

Simple-minded drivel. By the way the majority of explosions in Iraq are Iraqis and other Arabs bombing Iraq.

The blunt truth is if ALL THE WEALTH in the world were re-distributed evenly, it would not pay for one extra meal for these people. The contrast between wealthy and poor is tremendous but the actual amount of wealth just does not compare with the gigantic masses of human bodies this planet is being asked to support. The maximum number of people on earth should probably be about 1/5 of what it is right now. That means about 1/10 what it will be in ten years.

Stop overbreeding or expect to die.
I can't change that.
The United States of America can't change that.
The Indian Government cannot change that.
God cannot change that.

Governments and religions don't want to change it because, frankly, all of them don't really fundamentally care about the deaths. The religions can dismiss them with empty talk of heaven and Governments can nullify them with some public weeping and hand-wringing and in the end the deaths go on.

Governments and religions also don't want to change it because it is easier to breed new faithful and new taxpayers than it is to recruit them. Any mediocre bureaucrat can run a national economy if there are going to be more taxpayers in the future than there are at the moment. Google "Ponzi scheme" for more on that concept.

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 10):
Without pensions they need children to survive when they are getting older, you cynic.

Without children to feed they could save enough to live on in their old age. And yes, I am a cynic in that I don't believe all the BS that churches and "charitable" organizations feed me. Cynic is not necessarily a bad thing.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 11):
OK....so my solution would be to tell the warlords of Somalia to stop deliberately starving their own people, tell the people of southwest Asian nations to stop killing each other over land and religion (mostly land), and to find a way to ship the surplus crops in producing nations to the nations where people are starving until they either start growing their own food or moving somewhere food can grow.

No argument with this one.



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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 48
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 934 times:

SlamClick:

That's one of the most eloquent and spot-on posts I've ever seen written here.

Out-freaking-standing.

Several people above suggested birth control as at least one way to end this problem. But I think the reason few want to open that Pandoras Box is because suggesting that people have fewer babies is tantamount to suggesting that people cut down on sex. And as we all know that anyone who even dares question ANYONE's sexual practices is just asking to have their head chopped off.


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 932 times:

Quoting Matt D (Reply 15):

Thank you sir. "Head chopped off?" All right. I'm just the sonofabitch who can take it!

If my post sounds heartless, well, I'm too old to waste time being diplomatic. This thread, this subject will inspire fiery responses. The anger some will feel at me for being blunt. Some will hate the USA because people are starving somewhere in the world. My anger is at people who feel that they can have as many babies as they want and it is somehow my responsibility to feed them.

The problem is hellish and the solutions are going to be draconian. If the birthrate is not reduced to the point that the world's population will actually decline for a generation or two then plagues or wars or natural disasters or utter lawlessness are the only thing left to keep us from grazing off the last blade of grass, urinating in the last pool of clean water.

Most of the developed nations, even the "enlightened" ones like Canada and Sweden depend in unseen ways on the poor of the world. Some Governments are more or less irrelevant and thus, have the luxury of idealism. Ultimately this is a real-world problem all of us are going to have to face. At the moment we have Somalia more or less contained, which is pretty cruel but apparently necessary. We are opening up China for trade and thus placating that tiger for a generation or two. All of this may grant a momentary illusion of being a workable system.

Any socialist notions, however commendable as "humane" ideas, must ultimately stand the test of real-world, no-BS uncontrolled environments. They might work in a civilzed nation but turned loose in the whole world will crash into a couple of realities. The first of these is that the world is overpopulated. The second is this: That which is not scarce is not valued. Thus, if there are too many people they will not be valued.

Sorry if this sounds harsh but the people of the arid southern Sahara starve because they don't produce anything the rest of the world needs. If India has street kids living below their economy it is because (in part) they failed to educate them. That education has to include skills needed by the world (the three R's are fine but we have to earn a living) and birth control.



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User currently offlineVikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9396 posts, RR: 27
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 857 times:
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Sorry to resurrect this thread, but this link and Slamclick's points resounded with me. Just absolutely insane.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9951381/

~Vik



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31573 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 852 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 16):
If India has street kids living below their economy it is because (in part) they failed to educate them.

Each one has an opinion.But We can't Generalise.
In Bom Alone Many kids Work in the Day & Attend Night school.If their Parents Goofed up,Why punish the Kids.

I think Every opportunity We can feed them We should.If We are eating Three sandwiches,We can buy them one.

regds
MEL



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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 838 times:

If people decide to have 20 kids and then go around and ignore to grow food for them because they'd rather hack at each other with swords (or shoot with guns these days) I won't feel anything for them if they go hungry and those kids die of starvation.

As the old testament says (and I'm no Christian) "turn your swords into plowshares", yet farmers all over Africa (especially) are doing the reverse and have been ever since the Brits gave them the independence they wanted because they thought they were quite capable of taking care of themselves.
Nowhere in those treaties does it read that Europe and the US have to provide food, shelter, healthcare, education, and all the luxuries money can buy to everone in those countries ever, let alone into eternity.

If there's a major natural disaster they could not have prepared for (think the IO tsunami last year) I'm all for helping people pick up their lifes, but the problems in Africa are entirely caused by the local people themselves and they should sort themselves out.
Many of those areas used to be quite fertile, especially along the lakes and rivers. Rhodesia for example was the breadbasket of the continent until Mugabe killed off the white farmers and gave the land to his cronies who never touched a shovel in their lifetimes except to fill in shallow graves.



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User currently offlineVikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9396 posts, RR: 27
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 833 times:
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Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 18):
I think Every opportunity We can feed them We should.If We are eating Three sandwiches,We can buy them one.

Sorry MEL, I should have included the following in my post:

While I agree with what Slamclick stated (and I posted that article as an example), I do travel to India once every 5 or 6 years or so, as I am Indian, and have a lot of family there. I don't know if anything has ever saddened me as much as the sheer poverty that is evident there.

Last time I was there (in 2000), my brother and I were with an aunt in Delhi. Anyway, there was this large pool of filthy water (probably 50 feet across, at least 10 feet deep, and lime green among other worse colors). These kids who weren't even 10 years old were taking money to dive into it. Literally, if we gave them a few rupees, they would dive into this water from about 20 feet up. I, myself, have developed a habit of not giving money to anyone, and my brother felt the same way. My aunt gave money to one boy, and we watched, horrified, as he dove into this absolutely disgusting pond of filth.

Living in South Central L.A., I'm used to people asking for money. But it's really something else over in India. It's heartbreaking.

Unfortunately, I still agree with Slamclick. The rest of the world will not solve these problems.

~Vik



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31573 posts, RR: 57
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 817 times:

Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 20):
The rest of the world will not solve these problems.

Agreed.Why should they.
My point is if you are eating a good meal & theres a Starving kid at a distance.Would you not feed him.I know one can't solve all the worlds problems,but would you ignore giving him a meal.

Personally I would rather give a meal to a kid than money.But then thats my opinion.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 808 times:

Fortunately, I've never had to feel hunger.

The issue of poverty in the world has so many facets to it, it's almost overwhelming.

Over population, war and people trying to live in places where mother nature just doesn't want to support life are all parts of the problem.

While we could debate all the aspects of this until we're blue in the face, I'll just make one point. When my wife and I had recently moved to Atlanta after graduating college, money was "tight". I say this almost tongue in cheek because we had a beautiful apartment, decent cars and all the other things that one gets accustomed to living as we do. However, there wasn't any extra money - at least we didn't think so.

We were at mass one weekend when a visiting priest who headed a program called FOOD FOR THE POOR delivered a speech that changed my life. The Catholic church we went to in Sandy Springs was very well off. In fact, the mass that weekend was delivered in the auditorium because the sanctuary was being refurbished. The congregation was a mix of yuppies of all ages. It was a winter morning and kind of cold in the building. The place was standing room only.

The priest said very bluntly, FOOD FOR THE POOR can feed a family of 4 for a week for $4. So if you decide not to donate to this cause, the next time you are at Starbucks, think to yourself that a family is going hungry somewhere in the world because you have to have you latte that morning. He went onto say that though we should all strive to give until it hurts - not just from the excess, we all need to start somewhere.

For most of us, the first step can be denying ourselves one of life's little pleasure once a week and putting that money towards charity. He said that he was sure that if you took one step and tried sacrifical giving you'd certainly see how it benefits you.

This hit home hard. Every day, both my wife and I would go and have our Starbucks even though money was "tight". We started slowly giving it up one day a week and donating that money towards charity. $8/week doesn't seem like a lot but it means 8 people aren't going to die of hunger.

I can honestly say that the more we give, the better we feel. I'm not trying to preach here, this has worked for us it may not work for you. But what I am trying to communicate to everyone is that every little bit helps. All of us have little luxuries that we enjoy that if partially redirected could do a lot of good. I would encourage everyone that is outraged by the pictures above to take one little step.

While individually none of us will be able to stop war, or overpopulation or shift demographic patterns in sub-Sahara Africa, we can all do something to make sure one person doesn't die of hunger this week. While that doesn't seem like a lot, it literally is the difference between life and death for one person somewhere in the world.


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 804 times:

Quoting Pope (Reply 22):
The priest said very bluntly, FOOD FOR THE POOR can feed a family of 4 for a week for $4.

This is why I get angry about this topic. I wish I could say this without causing offense, but the man obviously lied to you.

Think about it! Family of four, seven days - 28 meals for $4.00
Fourteen cents a meal. Delivered to them.

Do you believe that?

If they can "prove" this statistic then it just means that some other entity (e.g. Government price supports or subsidies) is actually paying for it. In that case what is the real function of the money you donate?

I smell a scam. Perhaps NoUFO is right, maybe I am excessively cynical but I have far less trouble believing in the immaculate conception and the resurrection and the Holy Trinity than I have in this remarkable efficiency with money.



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User currently offlineMiCorazonAzul From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 798 times:

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 13):
Why the hell does the US have to help everyone?

Maybe because it's the world's richest and most powerful country??? Just a thought. Besides, the US was quick to go over and "help" Iraq by trying to establish a democracy so why not help poor countries with money? If their own local government is not doing anything and we are financially about to help, why shouldn't we do it? We are all humans afterall........

I think over-population is the key issue here. Why on earth are these people bringing children to this world when they don't even have food to eat themselves? I just don't think it is fair for the children who have no say in anything. Ultimately, the parents are to blame for bringing children into this world knowing they are unable to support them.


25 Pope : I certainly do. $0.14 may not seem like a lot to you and me in the US, but in places around the world it may perfectly well be enough to buy a bowl o
26 SlamClick : You might make a good argument for that point of view. In fact most Unitedstatesians (I know you don't like us using "Americans") would agree with yo
27 Vikkyvik : Absolutely agree with that. If a homeless guy in Los Angeles comes up to me and asks for money (which happens frequently), I'll say no but offer to g
28 B744F : Let me know how it goes when your time comes to meet your maker
29 B744F : Every day 50,000 children die from a lack of basic necessities, food, water, medicine, etc. The wealthiest nations on the planet have taken advantage
30 DL021 : OK..without worrying about any hysterical, unsubstantiated BS numbers I will help quantify the $4 per week for family of 4 number. That is the cost of
31 SlamClick : If my belief in responsible reproduction is the gravest offense I've committed in the eyes of the Lord, I'll send you a postcard from heaven. We can
32 Post contains images HAWK21M : Very true in most cases. You seem confident of your location.Sure it wont be south of that regds MEL
33 SlamClick : Well, I'll either be in heaven or be with my friends, so either way is okay. Or be reincarnated and have to decide if I want to be a pilot again. Wha
34 Post contains images HAWK21M : Then its better to be with Friends. regds MEL
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