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"The Legend Lives On From The Chippewa On Down..."  
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2587 times:

Thursday is the 30th anniversary of one of the most famous, if not the most famous, shipwreck in the American Great Lakes.

http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll...cle?AID=/20051107/NEWS08/511070323

Even now, among people around the Great Lakes, and even now, after, as the story says, 30,000 sailors have died in at least, 6000 shipwrecks in that region, the Fitzgerald stands out as one of legends.

A lot of men from our area died in that accident, during a terrible storm, 30 years ago, so it's still vividly remembered.

"The Legend lives on from the Chippewa on down, of the big lake they call Gitchigumme". Superior they said, never gives up her dead, when the gales of November come early."

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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2581 times:

History Channel has a show on the Edmund Fitzgerald . . . a lot of great detail on the whole voyage, right until it disappeared. And a lot of history on Superior and her other 'victims'.

I've watched it a couple of times . . .


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2576 times:

Wow. A Gordon Lightfoot flashback. All the tree bangers will be howling at the moon over this one.  Wink

User currently offlineScarletHarlot From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 4673 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2550 times:

Oh crap, now I'm going to have that song stuck in my head all day.  Smile

"The church bell chimed, 'til it rang 29 times
For each man on the Edmund Fitzgerald"



But that was when I ruled the world
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2547 times:

Quoting ScarletHarlot (Reply 3):
Oh crap, now I'm going to have that song stuck in my head all day.

You're welcome.  Big grin

I think it's a great song, btw.


User currently offlineScarletHarlot From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 4673 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2543 times:

Me too. I downloaded it and a bunch of other Gordon Lightfoot stuff some months ago. I'll have to listen to it today.


But that was when I ruled the world
User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2536 times:

Gordon Lightfoot sounds like he's constipated while singing that damned song.  Wink

Mark


User currently offlineCtbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2533 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 6):
Gordon Lightfoot sounds like he's constipated while singing that damned song.

But the lyrics are a classic! One of my favorate songs of all time.

Charles, SJ



The customer isn't a moron, she is your wife -David Ogilvy
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2533 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 6):
Gordon Lightfoot sounds like he's constipated while singing that damned song.

Actually, he does the song in the mode of an old sea-rhyming poem or song. I think it's brilliant: very intense narrative of the demise of the Fitzgerald..


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2527 times:

Quoting Ctbarnes (Reply 7):
But the lyrics are a classic!

The Legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
Of the big lake they call GitcheGumee
The lake it is said never gives up her dead
When the skies of November turn gloomy

With a load of iron-ore, 26 thousands tons more
Than the Edmund Fitzgerald weighed empty
That good ship and true was a bone to be chewed
When the gales of November came early

The ship was the pride of the American side
Coming back from some mill in Wisconsin
As the big freighters go it was bigger than most
With a crew and a captain well seasoned
Concluding some terms with a couple of steel firms
When it left fully loaded for Cleveland
And later that night when the ships' bell rang
Could it be the north wind they'd been feelin'?

The wind and the wires made a tattle-tale sound
And a wave broke over the railing
And every man knew as the captian did too
'Twas the Witch of November come stealin'
The dawn came late and the breakfast had to wait
When the gales of November came slashin'
When afternoon came it was freezing rain
In the face of a hurricane west-wind

When suppertime came the old cook came on deck
Sayin' "fella's, it's too rough to feed ya"
At 7pm a main hatchway came in
He said "fella's it's been good to know ya"
The captain wired in he had water coming in
And the good ship and crew were in peril
And later that night when 'is lights when out of sight
Came the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald

Does anyone know where the love of God goes
When the waves turn the minutes to hours
The searchers all say they'd have made Whitefish Bay
If they'd put fifteen more miles behind her
They might have split up, or maight have capsized
They may have broke deep and took water
And all that remains is the faces and the names
Of the wives and the sons and the daugheters

Lake Huron rolls, Superior sings
In the rooms of her ice-water mansion
Old Michigan steams like a young mans dreams
The islands and bays are for sportsmen
And farther below Lake Ontario
Takes in what Lake Erie can send her
The iron boats know as the mariners all know
What the gales of November remembered

In a musty old hall in Detroit they prayed
In the Maritime Sailors Cathedral
The churchbell chimed till it rang 29 times
For each man on the Edmund Fitzgerald

The Legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
Of the big lake they call Gitchegumme
Superior they said never gives up her dead
When the gales of November come early....


User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 45
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2506 times:

It's eerie (no pun intended) that we had such strong winds just yesterday... Cleveland had tropical storm-force winds and gusts over 60 mph. Buffalo had eight foot waves coming ashore. I don't know what Lake Superior was like, but the lower Great Lakes sure had it.


redngold



Up, up and away!
User currently offlineAGC525 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 989 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2497 times:

They have a website, with lots of info. I've always had an interest in the Big Fitz

http://www.ssefo.com/



American Aviation: From Kitty Hawk to the Moon in 66 years!
User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2456 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 9):
When it left fully loaded for Cleveland

You know, if I was a ship headed for Cleveland I would rather sink as well.  Wink


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2452 times:

Quoting KROC (Reply 12):
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 9):
When it left fully loaded for Cleveland

You know, if I was a ship headed for Cleveland I would rather sink as well.

At least you put in a "wink" that time. If they had been told to go Crapchester, they'd have mutinied, to be honest.  Big grin

Actually, if memory serves, the Port of Cleveland was not the final destination for the Fitzgerald on that journey and was, officially, listed as Detroit, although I thought I remember that it was headed to the Port of Lorain, Ohio, just west of Cleveland.


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2449 times:

Figures. Just using Cleveland as a place to unload their waste and press on.

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2446 times:

Quoting KROC (Reply 14):
Figures. Just using Cleveland as a place to unload their waste and press on.

Uh, KROC, Detroit is WEST of Cleveland? Didn't come near hear in reality? Used to make a rhyme?

At least Cleveland rhymes better with it than "Concluding some terms with a couple of steel firms when it left full loaded for Crapchester."

Song wouldn't have sold a copy like that.  Big grin


User currently offlineMr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2787 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2418 times:

Hi guys.

I've always liked that song. It's a good tale about a very sad event and folks who live on the Great Lakes know what the November winds & waves can get like on the water ... and that's just along the shore!  eek 

I can only laugh at these words.......

"And farther below Lake Ontario
Takes in what Lake Erie can send her"


Yeah, things like ....... Arsenic, Cadmium, Chromium, Lead, Mercury, Benzene, Propoxur (Baygon) , Malathion, Vinyl Chloride, Polychlorinated Biphenyls (PCBs), Pentachlorophenol, Dioxins and Furans, Methylene Chloride, Trichloroethylene, Hydrochloric Acid, Nitric Acid, Asbestos, Oil and Grease, etc, etc!

Gee Thanks!  scared 


Chris  Smile



"Just a minute while I re-invent myself"
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2411 times:

Quoting Mr Spaceman (Reply 16):
Arsenic, Cadmium, Chromium, Lead, Mercury, Benzene, Propoxur (Baygon) , Malathion, Vinyl Chloride, Polychlorinated Biphenyls (PCBs), Pentachlorophenol, Dioxins and Furans, Methylene Chloride, Trichloroethylene, Hydrochloric Acid, Nitric Acid, Asbestos, Oil and Grease, etc, etc!

Chill man, those are just other names for "water", for cryin' out loud!

Jcs17


Seriously, like KROC, you're lost in the 60's with that kind of stuff, I'm afraid. With the demise of heavy industry in Greater Cleveland-you know-being replaced with those GOP-approved "service jobs", not a whole lot gets "sent" form Erie to Ontario these days.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2410 times:

Wow a flashback to a time when songs actually had lyrics, not this "opps I did it again" crap.

It is extremely difficult to get the rights to use this song in anything. The reaosn is that Gordon donated them to the surviving familys. So you have 29 families to pay off to use the song for anything.



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User currently offlineGilligan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2386 times:

Falcon, I prefer the Pat Daly version. He set the record straight years ago that Gordon stole an old indian tune and just put english words to it. Went something like Hiyiyiyiyiyiyi Hiyiyiyi Hiyiyiyiyiyi. It was an old lover lament about how much you get when you don't bring home supper.  cheeky  The rest of you won't get it, it's a northern Ohio thing.

User currently offlineMr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2787 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2380 times:

Hi guys.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 17):
Chill man, those are just other names for "water", for cryin' out loud!

HaHaHa that's seriously funny!

Imagine those chemicals listed on a bottle label of "Great Lakes - Fresh Water"! Big grin

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 17):
Seriously, like KROC, you're lost in the 60's with that kind of stuff, I'm afraid.

>> Falcon84, I'm not stuck in the 60's, I was born in 66 without a clue of course.

I wasn't trying to say Lake Erie or Cleveland is responsible for Lake Ontario's water quality. I was just making a joke about what Gordon could have been singing about in those two lines ...... Pollution. Believe me, Lake Ontario's cities are doing a fine job on their own polluting the water without the need for Lake Erie's help or Michigan's, Huron's or Superior's.

The sludge starts far upstream from you in CLE at Duluth and gets added to by Thunder Bay, Sault Sainte Marie, Green Bay, Milwaukee, Chicago, Sarnia, Detroit, Windsor, and Toledo to name a few. By the time the water gets to Toronto's intakes, it has extra flavour from Buffalo, St Catherines, & Hamilton!!!

Now I've got that song stuck in my head, but that's OK with me.


Chris  Smile



"Just a minute while I re-invent myself"
User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2373 times:

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 19):
Went something like Hiyiyiyiyiyiyi Hiyiyiyi Hiyiyiyiyiyi

You're thinking of that "Return to Innocence" song by Enigma.....with the chanting thing...

Mark  Wink


User currently offlineCopper1 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 439 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2354 times:

Great song, I'm going to see Lightfoot on December 02 in Stratford Ontario. Always wanted to and now I'm going.

User currently offlineCrjflyer35 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 668 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2350 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 21):
You're thinking of that "Return to Innocence" song by Enigma.....with the chanting thing...

What's wrong with Enya? lol If I can't sleep, man that song or that CD zonks me right out, that or some good 'ol Norah Jones.

I grew up West of Grand Rapids, and although it's joked about, my 3rd grade class "show" included us singing that song! No joke! Ahh, good 'ol Gordon Lightfoot, Christmas Island is also great song.



Ok, wait for the RJ to pass, cleared to push tail south Mike, and you're cleared to spin #2 in the push.
User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2346 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 15):
At least Cleveland rhymes better with it than "Concluding some terms with a couple of steel firms when it left full loaded for Crapchester."

Song wouldn't have sold a copy like that.

Please, Cleveland is a detraction all in its own.  Wink

Quoting Mr Spaceman (Reply 16):
I can only laugh at these words.......

"And farther below Lake Ontario
Takes in what Lake Erie can send her"

Yeah, things like ....... Arsenic, Cadmium, Chromium, Lead, Mercury, Benzene, Propoxur (Baygon) , Malathion, Vinyl Chloride, Polychlorinated Biphenyls (PCBs), Pentachlorophenol, Dioxins and Furans, Methylene Chloride, Trichloroethylene, Hydrochloric Acid, Nitric Acid, Asbestos, Oil and Grease, etc, etc!

Gee Thanks!



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 17):
Seriously, like KROC, you're lost in the 60's with that kind of stuff, I'm afraid. With the demise of heavy industry in Greater Cleveland-you know-being replaced with those GOP-approved "service jobs", not a whole lot gets "sent" form Erie to Ontario these days.

Exactly Spaceman. Been to Buffalo recently? Gotten a whiff of it while there? Now granted the city is a dump and all but more than half that smell is coming off of Lake Erie. I figure its only a matter of time until Cleveland manages to light Lake Erie on fire like they did their river.


25 Post contains images Falcon84 : I rest my case. Lame. Old. Tired. Stupid. Good job, KROC. Like you know squat about Cleveland, dude.
26 Post contains images KROC : Finally - Like the rest of us you finally see Cleveland for what it is.
27 Falcon84 : I was talking about your old jokes. Don't muddy the water-pun intended.
28 KROC : Sorry. Its just that "joke" and "Cleveland" go hand in hand.
29 Post contains images Falcon84 : Only to people who don't live here, and have ancient stereotypes about the place, my friend. It's a great area to live in-at least the area I'm from.
30 KROC : I have said Cleveland isn't that bad a place on several occasions. Its obvious that my banging on Cleveland gets under your skin like nothing else so
31 Post contains images Falcon84 : Must have been in the brig on those occasions. Just waiting for the invite, dude, and I'll visit! I'll evn buy you the beer since i don't drink any.
32 TatTVC : In the article (getting back to the 'Fitzgerald) there is a picture from the Great Lakes Shipwreck Museum? Anyone ever been there (other than me)? Whe
33 Tom in NO : That's the part that always gets me. Classic song. I've got that History Channel show on tape somewhere. There's also an excellent book (the title of
34 747srule : One thing that has bugged me since the Big Fitz sank. Why were NONE of the crew ever found? There are no sharks in The Great Lakes to eat them. Anybod
35 Falcon84 : Actually, from what I've read, divers have seen the remains of some of the crew onboard the ship. I don't know if that's 100% true, but that's what I
36 Halls120 : Saw him in New Orleans back in the late 70's. A great concert.
37 Traindriver : To Copper1 Caught the man in NYC, Montreal and Melbourne Fla. Does an awesome job of the Fitzgerald in concert. Also Canadian R.R. Trilogy sounds grea
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