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F1: Newey To RBR In 06  
User currently offlineBA757 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2832 posts, RR: 14
Posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1267 times:

What a major kick in the bollocks for Mclaren...

Red Bull Racing has signed Formula 1's leading designer Adrian Newey as its new chief technical officer.

In a shock move, Newey, who is currently McLaren's technical director, will take up his new role in February 2006.

The announcement will be seen as something of a coup for Red Bull, which will also use Ferrari V8 engines next year.

The deal also means the 46-year-old will be reunited with David Coulthard, who he worked with at McLaren and Williams.

Speculation over Newey's McLaren future has been growing through the summer.

Even so RBR team principal Christian Horner has pulled off a masterstroke by gaining his signature.

Newey nearly joined the team once before, when it was under the moniker of Jaguar Racing, but McLaren's team boss Ron Dennis talked him out of it.

After Michael Schumacher, Newey is considered the single-most significant factor in turning around a team's competitiveness.

Newey's F1 career began in 1986 with the Haas Lola project.

But he first received recognition with Leyton House March in 1988 where he produced cars capable of punching above their weight thanks to aerodynamic excellence.

He then switched to Williams in 1991 where he worked alongside Patrick Head, and during his time at the team, Newey's cars won five constructors' championships.

McLaren swooped in to secure Newey's services in 1997 and he was considered largely responsible for its dominant campaign the following year, which secured both drivers' and constructors' crowns.

Newey has stayed at McLaren ever since although after the Jaguar affair made noises that he was disaffected with the sport and revealed his desire to design an America's Cup yacht.

After years of Ferrari domination, 2005 saw a Newey-inspired McLaren once again lead the way in F1.

Although the team narrowly missed out on both titles, Kimi Raikkonen's Mercedes-powered MP4-20 was largely considered to be the fastest car on the grid and Newey admitted recently that he was enjoying the sport once more.


http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=34511

I am gutted...

Adam

[Edited 2005-11-08 12:15:23]

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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8466 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1257 times:

While this is a big loss, I think McLaren saw it coming. There have been changes in the structure of the team including the technical department. While this guy is good, McLaren can be a success without him.

User currently offlineGordonsmall From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2001, 2183 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1255 times:

Newey has been unhappy at McLaren for a while and has made no secret of it, let's not forget the tried to move to Jaguar a few years ago as well, and Ron Dennis bought him out of the Jag contract to keep him at McLaren.


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User currently offlineKaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1244 times:

Thats a real shame for McLaren... No longer BMW Powered and No longer with a top designer, are they destined for the bottom of the league?


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User currently offlineSwisskloten From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1237 times:

McLaren used Mercedes engines. It was Williams that used BMW although I don't know how much longer since BMW is losing patience with them. Is there ANYONE who thinks Newey is the most overrated designer in F1? If teams win championships just through his cars and through no effort from the team mechanics or the drivers then why have the small teams made little effort to get him over to their garage? Why not take out a massive loan and then, offer this guy a few million pounds for a year? Remember Italy 2000? The sports channels all kept ranting and raving for days that McLaren would win because they had Newey on their team. They didn't. I'm sure there were a few on Eurobet who were furious that day! If he was so dang great then, McLaren should have won the championship every time from 2001-2004 and they didn't. Why?

User currently offlineWaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1211 times:

Quoting Swisskloten (Reply 4):
It was Williams that used BMW although I don't know how much longer since BMW is losing patience with them

You're right, they had been losing patience with William's poor results, and as for how much longer... it already happened! BMW bought the Sauber team outright and will not supply Williams next year, who will instead switch to Cosworth, who supplied Red Bull this past season and was William's first engine supplier in the late 70's/early 80's.

Quoting Swisskloten (Reply 4):
If teams win championships just through his cars and through no effort from the team mechanics or the drivers then why have the small teams made little effort to get him over to their garage?

Obviously teams win based on the combination of 5 main factors, the drivers, the tires, the car which depends on the designer, the mechanics, and the engine. It is arguable which of those factors is the most important, but a car's designer cannot be taken for granted. Without Ross Brawn, for instance, Ferrari would have had a much tougher time dominating the sport for 5 consecutive years, and Adrian Newey was responsible for the quickest car on the grid at the end of 2004 and for the majority of this year, so this is a very significant move for Red Bull. As to why the small teams haven't made any effort, that's easy... talent takes $ and that is something the small teams had been lacking until they were all bought up in the past couple years.

Quoting Swisskloten (Reply 4):
If he was so dang great then, McLaren should have won the championship every time from 2001-2004 and they didn't. Why?

Personally, I think he's having a comeback lately. His '98, '99, and '00 cars were the best on the grid, Ferrari won in '00 thanks to excellent driving from Schumacher and poor mercedes reliability (Indianapolis comes to mind), but then his cars dropped off. In '01, they were quick sometimes, and in '02, the car was never really special. In '03, the new design was such a failure that Kimi stuck with an updated version of the previous year's car for the whole season and still came within a couple points of a championship, but after that, things got better again, with the update halfway through '04 giving Mclaren the fastest car and, but for engine blowups, they would have won the title again this year, so he may not be a designer that can win any time he wants, but he is certainly very good and has been one of the best over the last 5 years, which is just what Red Bull is paying for.


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8466 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1190 times:

Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 3):
Thats a real shame for McLaren... No longer BMW Powered and No longer with a top designer, are they destined for the bottom of the league?

Well they still have the Mercedes Power which they've had for the last 10 years and carried them to three world titles (2 drivers 1 constructors). The fact they never had BMW to loose is a big issue.

Quoting Swisskloten (Reply 4):
Is there ANYONE who thinks Newey is the most overrated designer in F1?

He is a bit overrated. His cars have won a number of championships, but so have Ross Brawn's and Bob Bell's. McLaren can survive without him. He's designed some brilliant cars and some real duds, the MP4-18 comes to mind.
You also have to remember that there is a cheif designer under the technical director who has a lot of influence on the car's design and a few years back McLaren baught in Mike Coughlan to fill that role, acknowledging the fact that Newey wouldn't be around much longer. I would go out onto a limb and say that the MP4-20 was more a Coughlan car then a Newey car.


User currently offlineSwisskloten From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1188 times:

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 5):
BMW bought the Sauber team outright and will not supply Williams next year, who will instead switch to Cosworth, who supplied Red Bull this past season and was William's first engine supplier in the late 70's/early 80's.

I must have missed some news reports. Could you please supply a website with some info? I'd appreciate it.


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8466 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1182 times:

Quoting Swisskloten (Reply 7):
I must have missed some news reports. Could you please supply a website with some info? I'd appreciate it.

http://www.sauber-petronas.com/en/pr...dex.php?op=detail&archive=1&id=114

http://www.formula1.com/news/3215.html


User currently offlineBA757 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2832 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1180 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 1):
While this is a big loss, I think McLaren saw it coming. There have been changes in the structure of the team including the technical department. While this guy is good, McLaren can be a success without him.

I hope they can be a success without him, but as you mention below...

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 6):
I would go out onto a limb and say that the MP4-20 was more a Coughlan car then a Newey car.

I'd tend to probably agree actually. Perhaps Ron Dennis knew he was on his way out this year, he hasn't tried to talk him out of it this time has he?

None the less, it is a big loss for Mclaren, and a big gain for RBR (they are going places) - I just hope Mclaren survive and come back fighting for Kimi's title next year.

Adam


User currently offlineUSAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1848 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1157 times:

Has anyone else noticed that this is the 3rd time now (everytime Coulthard has moved teams, in fact) that Newey has followed DC? As a huge Coulthard fan, I'm thrilled with the progress and dedication to winning that is being hown by RBR. People said they were only in it to sell a few more drinks, but this should prove once and for all that the team does aim to win races.

User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1149 times:

Quoting USAIRWAYS321 (Reply 10):
Has anyone else noticed that this is the 3rd time now (everytime Coulthard has moved teams, in fact) that Newey has followed DC?

That's very true,
and if driver and engineer is in good balance, why break it.
DC might well be a part of this transition for Newey to RBR.

Didn't Brawn follow Schumi to Ferrari as well?

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User currently offlineBA757 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2832 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1146 times:

Quoting USAIRWAYS321 (Reply 10):
I'm thrilled with the progress and dedication to winning that is being hown by RBR

Me also.
Its one of those teams I want to see do well.

BAR I am still a bit skeptical about, I don't rate JB either. I guess they should have never let Richards go...
Rubino though is a good thing for the team, in my view.

Adam


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1141 times:

Marvellous catty response from McLaren though:

Quote from the BBC: McLaren described his exit as amicable but added that Newey was leaving "for a new challenge with a smaller team under less pressure to win."

Saucer of milk for Mr Dennis me'thinks Big grin

The bbc link is here.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/4420908.stm



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8466 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1122 times:

Quoting BA757 (Reply 9):
I'd tend to probably agree actually. Perhaps Ron Dennis knew he was on his way out this year, he hasn't tried to talk him out of it this time has he?

As I said in earlier posts, I think they saw it coming. The appointment of Coughlan was to cover their bases and get someone integrated into the McLaren culture so that the inevitable came the disruption was minimal.

Quoting Sudden (Reply 11):
Didn't Brawn follow Schumi to Ferrari as well?

Yes. They took Rory Byrne as well. Thats someone whos been looking to get away from the sport, but Ferrari just won't let him go.

Quoting USAIRWAYS321 (Reply 10):
Has anyone else noticed that this is the 3rd time now (everytime Coulthard has moved teams, in fact) that Newey has followed DC?

Yet DC has never been able to take advantage of having one of the best designers on his side.


User currently offlineHKGKaiTak From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1094 times:

I wonder what will happen at Ferrari in 2007 if Schumi retires at the end of next year? And they keep supplying Red Bull? Wouldn't be at all funny for Maranello if a Newey-designed RBR car beats a Ferrari, will it?

I think an technical director like Newey will make RBR much more competitive ... good technical directors can certainly turn around a program. Look at what Mike Gascoyne has done for Jordan, Renault, and now Toyota. I wonder where Jaguar (and Rahal) will be if Newey did indeed design a few Jaguars - perhaps they'd be winning races and still be Ford-owned.

When you look at it Newey has won more World Championships than Michael Schumacher has. With the exception of MS's championships and this year, Newey has always won a world championship, and has consistently designed the best car on the grid, with Williams in 91-97 and McLaren 98-00 and 05.

Good luck to McLaren, I'm sure they can survive without Newey ...



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