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User currently offlineTWISTEDWHISPER From Sweden, joined Aug 2003, 711 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1026 times:

On the 8:th of October, 2001, at the Italian airport Linate, flight SK686 crashed into a German Cessna Citation, killing 122 people.
The reason for the crash was that the pilot on the Cessna mistook taxiway Romeo 6 instead of Romeo 5.

Now 70 families is suing Cessna because the think that Cessna is responsible for causing the accident. The fact that the accident was due to pilot error seems to be irrelevant.

Do you agree, is Cessna responsible, or at least have a part-responsibility for this accident?


How far do you think the responsibility for a producer of an item reaches?
Is he/she responsible that the item is used in a way that it was meant to?


Read between the lines.
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User currently offlineOYRJA From Denmark, joined Feb 2007, 78 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1004 times:

Yeah I saw this on the news last night as well.
It's totally unclear to me why the hell they want to sue Cessna.
This looks more like getting some easy money for the relatives.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 996 times:

Similar issue in Alaska . . . a Cessna crashed in Dillingham in 2001 - killing 10 people . . . NTSB says icing caused the crash, but the pilot never de-iced . . . family members are suing Cessna . . . .
http://www.ktuu.com/cms/templates/master.asp?articleid=1732&zoneid=1

Quoting TWISTEDWHISPER (Thread starter):
How far do you think the responsibility for a producer of an item reaches?

Just like the manufacturers of firearms . . . . who finally, and justly, have protection against frivilous lawsuits . . . I don't see how one could possibly see a clear case for the item in the Thread Opener or the item here in Alaska.

Pilot error . . . no fauilt of Cessna . . . they didn't design the plane to ignore Taxiways with the number 5 in them . . .


User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 983 times:

Quoting TWISTEDWHISPER (Thread starter):
Do you agree, is Cessna responsible, or at least have a part-responsibility for this accident?

No. Cessna is in no way responsible for the crash.

Quoting TWISTEDWHISPER (Thread starter):
the pilot on the Cessna mistook taxiway Romeo 6 instead of Romeo 5.

The aircraft didn't mistake the taxiways, the pilot did.



אני תומך בישראל
User currently offlineJap From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 971 times:

Que?? someone mistook 6 for 5, and it's the a/c's fault?  Confused Makes absolutely no sense. They should drop it. It ain't going to bring anyone back, just remind them of the person they lost every time they spend a nickle if they win the lawsuit...

User currently offlineDufo From Slovenia, joined May 1999, 798 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 960 times:

I hope that they get fat and ill with that money.


I seriously think I just creamed my pants without any influence from any outside variables.
User currently offlineKBFIspotter From United States of America, joined May 2005, 729 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 954 times:

It also reminds me of the crash of Carnahan (did I spell this right?). He was the Governor of Missouri and running for the US senate when his plane went down, killing all on board. It was a twin Cessna 335 being flown by his son, and the report states that the pilot experienced spatial disorientation in IMC. He reported that his primary attitude indicator was malfunctioning, and what gets me, is that he did not refer to his backup on the right panel, which was in perfect working order.. Well, to get to the point, Carnahan's wife and family sued Cessna and the maker of the AI, and won a huge sum of money from both.
http://www.ainonline.com/issues/07_02/07_02_spartialdisorienpg14.html

Kris
KBFIspotter



Proud to be an A&P!!!
User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3770 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 950 times:

Quoting TWISTEDWHISPER (Thread starter):
The reason for the crash was that the pilot on the Cessna mistook taxiway Romeo 6 instead of Romeo 5.



Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 3):
The aircraft didn't mistake the taxiways, the pilot did.

Also, the air traffic controller did not ask the pilot for readbacks, and the ground radar was down, and was very foggy. He spoke BOTH English and Italian with the pilot of the Cessna, which added to the confusion.

Cheers
Mats



Sure, we're concerned for our lives. Just not as concerned as saving 9 bucks on a roundtrip to Ft. Myers.
User currently offlineTWISTEDWHISPER From Sweden, joined Aug 2003, 711 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 938 times:

Quoting Doona (Reply 7):
Also, the air traffic controller did not ask the pilot for readbacks, and the ground radar was down, and was very foggy. He spoke BOTH English and Italian with the pilot of the Cessna, which added to the confusion

Yes, but still, Cessna is not to blame for human errors, right?
And, I was under the influence that the Cessna pilot was German... I might be wrong though...

And now I am reading that they sued Cessna in the US and were very disappointed when the judge ruled that this lawsuit should be held in Italy...
Call me ironic, sarcastic or just a plain bad person but I believe that they wanted it in the US because the amount of money from these kind of lawsuits is usually higher in the US than in Europe... Is this lawsuit just an attempt to make a buck, or are they sincere with this..? I wonder what they think Cessna could have done to prevent this accident...



Read between the lines.
User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 929 times:

Its just to make a buck - to any logical person, Cessna is no way at fault - the plane responds to human input, it does not have an auto taxi function, and therefore Cessna cannot be held responsible.


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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 882 times:

They're going after Cessna (and the gun makers)-just call this a wild hunch-not because the pilots and shooters are at fault, but because Cessna probably has much deeper pockets than the pilot.

Today, it no longer MATTERS who's at fault or not. An incident occurs. Look for any party connected somehow to the incident that has the most money. And that's who you try to pin the blame on because that's where the most money is.

They're not going to waste their time going after some little weekend pilot. Chances are, even if they siezed everything he owns and attached his wages for the next 20 years, a settlement or judgement NOW from Cessna (or some other big company) can offer up a hundred times more $$$.


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 865 times:

Lawsuits like this are just legalized extortion. Unless companies take a hard line against them, they usually get settled for the amount that defending the litigation will cost the defendant.

User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 864 times:

Quoting Matt D (Reply 10):
, but because Cessna probably has much deeper pockets than the pilot.

Sort of like the motivation of people who would let their plump little ten-year-old boys sleep with Michael Jackson. We can always pretend we thought there were innocent reasons why a forty year old man would want to sleep with plump little ten-year-old boys in the first place and HEY! There might be money it it.



Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 850 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 12):
Sort of like the motivation of people who would let their plump little ten-year-old boys sleep with Michael Jackson

That is a very mean thing to say about JCS17's mom.


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 832 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 13):
That is a very mean thing to say about JCS17's mom.

I'd have been nicer to her if she'd cut me in on the payoff!



Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 781 times:

Quoting KBFIspotter (Reply 6):
Carnahan's wife and family sued Cessna and the maker of the AI, and won a huge sum of money from both.

I thought that in addition to Cessna, they sued the maker of the vacuum pumps - Parker Hannifan - not the maker of the AI.


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