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Leaving The Navy, To Go To The Air Force.  
User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7414 posts, RR: 50
Posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2704 times:
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Well after much toying with options, i've decided to leave the Navy Reserves and take a job offer in the Air Force Reserves to become a loadmaster on the C-17. The 97thALS called me today, to tell me I was successful in the interveiw, and offered me the job. I still ahve to take an aviation physical, and there are some questions about whether I can hold on to my rank, but if things are fair, i'll be leaving the Navy Reserves to join the USAFRes. But i'm excited. It'll be a change for the better as in the realm of personnel support, which the Navy severely lacks. All of my friends who are in love it, so i'm sure i'll love it the same.

[Edited 2005-11-11 22:46:05]


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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2688 times:

Congratulations! If this decision is what you want, more power to you. Definitely some interesting terrain under those C-17s these days. Get a good set of Body Armor . . . .

Hopefully, your rank will stay intact.


User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7414 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2677 times:
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Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
Definitely some interesting terrain under those C-17s these days. Get a good set of Body Armor . . . .

Hopefully, your rank will stay intact.

Thanks ANC. It'll be interesting to see what will unfold. I saw interestng stuf in my Herc days with the Navy, but they don't give you any arms training. So i'll get some weapon's training going to a combat-support platform. They asked me in the interview if I would still be interested if they had to drop me from an E6 to E4(because AF requires a leadership or NCO school). I told them I would have to think about it, but would like to hold on to my current rank, because my friend who transition from the Marine Corps held his rank. I'm going to find out what i'm being brought in as, and if they do want to bring me in with a lower rank, will I have an opportunity to go to one of these schools? I don't know



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User currently offlineBHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2667 times:

Go for it! I have a friend who did AF academy and then went straight to USMC after graduation. Later, he switched back to AF. Kind of crazy. Made the bad career decision of being a never married LTC and is now a DC-9 captain for NW. Who knows, you may have crewed with him; ever fly with pilots from DTW?


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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2666 times:

If it were a matter of losing rank I'd think long and hard about it. Gaining rank in the AF is a bitch . . . I think, personally, the worst of all the services.

My brother is 14 years in the AF and is an E6 . . . he's a sky cop . . . he's a worthless bastard, but that's irrelevent . . . he's in line with his peers. A few "blue flamers" but not many. Could be his AFSC also.

If they tell you they'll promote you as soon as you complete a school, get it in writing . . . . period.

In any event . . . best of luck . . .


User currently offlineBHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2651 times:

Go for it! Should be a blast.

I have a friend who did similar, attended AF Academy then went straight to flying in the USMC. At some point changed his mind, went back to AF and flying with them. Made a bad career choice though, hit LTC without ever marrying so he's now out and flying DC-9 for NW. Ever work with DTW based flight crew? You may have worked with him.



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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7414 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2639 times:
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Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 4):
In any event . . . best of luck . . .

Thanks.

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 5):
Ever work with DTW based flight crew? You may have worked with him.

All the time, I'm DTW-based. It's possible I could've worked with him.



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User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2637 times:

Congratulations Jetjack! Go for it. I'm sure it'll be great to fly on those C-17s. Do take a few photos (if that's allowed) and post them on a-net  biggrin 


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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7414 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2632 times:
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That

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 7):
Do take a few photos (if that's allowed) and post them on a-net

Thanks, I'll do so.



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User currently offlineBHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2621 times:

Sorry for the double post above - had an ISP fart and didn't think the first one went through.


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User currently offlineNightHawk117 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2586 times:

Quoting Jetjack74 (Thread starter):
Well after much toying with options, i've decided to leave the Navy Reserves and take a job offer in the Air Force Reserves to become a loadmaster on the C-17.

You have made a GOOD decision!  bigthumbsup 

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 4):
Gaining rank in the AF is a bitch . . . I think, personally, the worst of all the services.

You might have to take a loss in rank. I knew a few people that transitioned into the AF from the USMC and they lost rank. Yes, it is a pain to have to test to gain rank (starting with E-5) and the Leadership school and NCO Academy are harder then Hell, but it's all worthwhile, IMHO.



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2568 times:

Jack....congrats on the acceptance, and it's probably a good idea unless your squadron is converting to the C-40s, since they're dxing the C-9s. My buddies here at NAS ATL are pissed because they like their birds and are headed for limbo now.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 2):
because my friend who transition from the Marine Corps held his rank.

Did he already have the USMC equivilent of PLDC?

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 2):
and if they do want to bring me in with a lower rank, will I have an opportunity to go to one of these schools?

I'll bet they can put that in writing based on the slots they know are coming available.

Hey, good luck and keep us posted. Oh, yeah, pay attention when they reteach you about basic rifle marksmanship and how to clear a jam. You may need that....  Wink



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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7414 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2558 times:
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Quoting DL021 (Reply 11):
Jack....congrats on the acceptance, and it's probably a good idea unless your squadron is converting to the C-40s, since they're dxing the C-9s. My buddies here at NAS ATL are pissed because they like their birds and are headed for limbo now.

Thanx DL. Yeah VR-46 is most likely going to move to NBG or dissolve altogether, Is he a groundpounder? VR-61 isn't scheduled to transition over to the C-40 until 2009 if at all. They would most likely be one of the last squadrons to get them with the scheduled rotation. The fiscal budget only allows for 3 in a 5 year period. I was getting impatient and wanted to switch over to something more hands-on, more heavy duty. I could've transferred back to a C-130 unit, but just going to another Navy unit is kind of monotonous. It's still Navy, they don't do they exciting stuff that the Air Force or the ANG does. I was sold on the Air Force by the fact that the flexibility factor is so much more hassle-free than the Navy.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 11):
I'll bet they can put that in writing based on the slots they know are coming available.

I think it's in the recruiters hands, not the squadrons', but we'll see. If i'm in a delayed entry programme, waiting for a slot in to Load school to open, then they should be able to send me. It says on the AFRES webpage that there's no loss in rank(I know that's a sales pitch), and my friend who's an E5 didn't drop in rank. If they do, I can deal with dropping to E5, but I won't go down to E4. I'm not concentrating on that right now. I have to get set up for a long-form flight physical, then go to SERE training at Fairchild AFB for 2 weeks, where i'm supposed to learn small-arms training, and advanced survival. Then next is to go to NAS Pensacola for Aviation Physiology/Aircrew/Advanced Water Survival School, I think that might be a weeks worth. Then Load School down at AETC Altus AFB for six weeks. It's about a years worth of training to qualify, so it's a long process, but it'll be worth with it. The only thing i'm concerned with is my physical. The doc always seems to find something wrong with you.



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User currently offlineGOCAPS16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4347 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2539 times:

Hopefully you wont loose your three chevrons into the Air Force. My friend, an E-5 in the Army, got out, and joined the Navy as an E-3. Pretty pathetic. 6 months later, off he went to Iraq with the Marines.

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User currently offlineKC135R From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 728 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2530 times:

Congrats and (perhaps) welcome to the best of all the branches of the US Military - of course, my opinion is kind of jaded.  Wink

The C-17 is a great airplane and contributes a hell of a lot to what the USAF does. Of course, it's no KC-135, but....

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 4):
If they tell you they'll promote you as soon as you complete a school, get it in writing . . . . period.

I second that. It's a 5 week school, I wouldn't let them deny me 2 stripes because of that. Getting promoted in the enlisted aircrew AFSCs is supposedly a bitch - so don't assume you can quickly regain your stripes.


User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7414 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2518 times:
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Quoting KC135R (Reply 14):
Congrats and (perhaps) welcome to the best of all the branches of the US Military - of course, my opinion is kind of jaded.

I don't fault you for that. I always knew the Air Force did things the right way. Walking on a Navy base in contrast to an AF base is the difference between night and day.

Quoting KC135R (Reply 14):
The C-17 is a great airplane and contributes a hell of a lot to what the USAF does

I'm exicted to get the opportunity

Quoting KC135R (Reply 14):
it's no KC-135, but....

That's very true, a boomer was my secret passion that i've always wanted to fill. I called up the 141st ARW one time asking about Boom Operator positions, and the Chief Boom on the other end laughed, before he composed himself to say, "you and everyone else". He explained to me that enough boomers come out of the active side of the house each year, so much that there are very few openings. And being previously qualed as one gets precidence over outside applicants. He went on to say, boomers stay boomers, crewchiefs stay crewchiefs, and LM's stay LM's. Few switch to other job classifications. Well, settling for an LM postion is just fine with me. I'm excited just the same..



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2464 times:

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 12):
then go to SERE training at Fairchild AFB for 2 weeks,

Hahaha! SERE school is a bitch, and if you haven't already done one then you need to make sure you're in decent shape before you go. Yours will focus more on e+e so pay attention to the part about what is edible and what is poisonous. Also remember that water is second only to being as quiet as possible..... It'll be fun....in the retelling.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 12):
Load School down at AETC Altus AFB for six weeks

That town sucks. Nothing to do and nowhere to go. Try to avoid being put into the Ramada.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 12):
Yeah VR-46 is most likely going to move to NBG or dissolve altogether, Is he a groundpounder?

They are both mechanics. They used to work for Northwest at their DC-9 maintenance center here before they closed it, and now they have jobs working at different airlines. They don't want to move, or have to travel to New Orleans. They thought they might go to Robbins AFB but that's out according to them. The E-2's are going there, but evidently not the C-9s.

Quoting KC135R (Reply 14):
Congrats and (perhaps) welcome to the best of all the branches of the US Military

Yeah....well, the schedule is the best....and the accomodations.

Quoting KC135R (Reply 14):

The C-17 is a great airplane and contributes a hell of a lot to what the USAF does. Of course, it's no KC-135, but

For starters it's younger than all of the crews flying it......unlike the gas hauler from 1962....  Wink

I always wanted to try the laying down and guiding the probe down thing...it looked cool.



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User currently offlineKC135R From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 728 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2428 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 16):
unlike the gas hauler from 1962....

62 is a new one!  Smile
We have them all the way back to 57. The guard might still have some 55's and 56's floating around.


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2416 times:

Dude...are there any old A models left?


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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7414 posts, RR: 50
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2409 times:
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Quoting DL021 (Reply 18):
Dude...are there any old A models left?

Not flying ones



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User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2385 times:

Anchors aweigh we go...into the wild blue yonder  Wink

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User currently offlineKC135R From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 728 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2374 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 18):
Dude...are there any old A models left?

Well not flying as A models anymore - they have all been upgraded since the early to mid 90's. They all were either converted from A to E, or A to R, or (for a select few) from A to E to R. But all the tankers are from the original (and only) production run from 1955-1964.


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2341 times:

Its never too late to see the light. Welcome to the Air Force.  Wink

User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7414 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2313 times:
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Actually, I saw the light years ago, but dragged my feet on flicking the switch. With the deteriorating situation at my civilian job, I figured now was just as good a time as any. I'm closing in on the max age limit to join, so decided to d it before I reach the cut off, and before I get married. I wouldn't be able to do it afterwards, that's for certain.


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