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MLP86 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2011, 47 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3578 times:

Hi,
this was rejected because of grainy and soft:

Before re-uploading the new edition I would like to have your feedback if it's OK now:

Thanks and regards,
Max

51 replies: All unread, showing first 25:

dlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7238 posts, RR: 32
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3570 times:

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Hi,

Still soft (and dark); not sure if the quality is there.

MLP86 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2011, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3567 times:

Is the soft problem only the background (mountains)? The focus sits on the wing which seems sharp to me.

dlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7238 posts, RR: 32
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3565 times:

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Quoting MLP86 (Reply 2):
The focus sits on the wing which seems sharp to me.

No, the wing is soft, especially the winglet.

MLP86 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2011, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3553 times:

It is a bit curious, the antennas are pin sharp, but the leading edge of the winglet is problematic. I've got another frame but with less aircraft visible it wouldn't fit on this site. So I made another try and added also a bit brightness. Would be a pity if it doesn't make it because I like the motive very much (but that doesn't matter I think

Regards,
Max

dlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7238 posts, RR: 32
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days ago) and read 3522 times:

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Still soft. Might have a chance with some sharpening and at 1024.

MLP86 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2011, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days ago) and read 3518 times:

Thank you! That's an idea, i'll see what I can do.

MLP86 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2011, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3513 times:

At the risk of being annoying

I'd like to ask if it's going in the right direction. I now concentrated on the edges of the wing and especially the winglet:

dlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7238 posts, RR: 32
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3509 times:

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Better, though I still thinking going with 1024 wouldn't hurt your chances.

MLP86 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2011, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month ago) and read 3492 times:

Thank you Dana for your helpful response! Now I have this one with 1024p in the queue:

Hope it will make it...

MLP86 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2011, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3476 times:

I got another one which may be difficult. So I would like to get some opinions if it would have a chance and is worth uploading:

Thanks and regards,
Max

MLP86 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2011, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3421 times:

Hi,
yesterday I uploaded this one:

It would be cool to get some feedback because I took the photo in a difficult light situation and I am not sure if the quality is enough to leave it in the queue.

Thank you very much!
Regards Max

dlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7238 posts, RR: 32
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3410 times:

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Looks a little soft and oversaturated, but might be workable with a better edit.

MLP86 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2011, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2982 times:

Hey,
I'd like to know if this one is ok in terms of sharpness. It is a new edit after rejection because of that.

Thanks a lot!
Max

MLP86 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2011, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2836 times:

Hi,
after some repeated rejections I have to ask for feedback before uploading the reedited versions.

Starting with this one, first rejection due to soft, second oversharped (jaggies on leading edge). Hopefully I now got the right balance:

Here the reason were oversharped titles:

The next one was a bit overexposed:

Thanks!
Max

dlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7238 posts, RR: 32
Reply 15, posted (11 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2828 times:

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Quality should be ok on the second and third, but don't think it's there for the first.

MLP86 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2011, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (11 months 5 days ago) and read 2823 times:

Thank you for the fast reply!

Again to the first one, do you mean there is a problem with sharpness or can you specify missing quality? It's a pity that such uncommon shots are so difficult to get accepted...

dlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7238 posts, RR: 32
Reply 17, posted (11 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2801 times:

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Quoting MLP86 (Reply 16):
Again to the first one, do you mean there is a problem with sharpness or can you specify missing quality?

Looks a little blurry, and oversharpened to compensate to me.

Quoting MLP86 (Reply 16):
It's a pity that such uncommon shots are so difficult to get accepted...

Sorry, there are thousands of widow view shots already accepted, and yours is really too dark to see anything interesting. Don't see why it should get special consideration.

MLP86 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2011, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (11 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2795 times:

Thank you for the explanation, it's really helpful for me to collect experience. And yes you're absolutely right. In this case I already used ISO1250 and additional pushed it in post-processing about 1EV - so when I think right, yes, there are really better shots online - no problem.

MLP86 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2011, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2235 times:

Hello,
can someone with a reliable monitor look if the color of this photo is ok now? My monitor is not professionally calibrated, so I have to rely on the AWB of my cam...
In the rejection there was no remark, only the tag color. It could have been a bit yellow, I have tried to correct that:

Thanks,
Max

dlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7238 posts, RR: 32
Reply 20, posted (9 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2221 times:

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A bit yellow, but the bigger problem is the contrast. In fact, checking the logs, this had been rejected twice for contrast, and it looks like you've made minimal to no change to the contrast between the two images. I suggest you do something to address that if you decide to attempt the image again.

MLP86 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2011, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2214 times:

Thanks for your evaluation. Yes I have to adjust contrast and crop. Just wanted to clear the color problem first...

Tomskii From Belgium, joined May 2011, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2210 times:

Quoting MLP86 (Reply 21):

Since your contrast is higher that yellow-ish cast is more prominent as well

Nikon D90 + Nikkor f4.5-5.6 18-105mm + Tamron f4-5.6 70-300mm

MLP86 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2011, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2188 times:

Hehe,
so that brings light into darkness. Am I right that the contrast is to high? I thought in the other direction and increased it after the first rejection, did I misunderstood?

HB-JHJ (now with less contrast and corrected white balance):

So I have to ask about a second shot from this sequence. Maybe I over-corrected the contrast issue after this one was rejected first because of low contrast, in the second rejection contrast was complained without notice so I increased it again. You can have a look:

HB-JHD:

[Edited 2012-07-29 14:23:29]

Tomskii From Belgium, joined May 2011, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2171 times:

In my view (but I might be wrong) both have a tad too much contrast.

Tom

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dlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7238 posts, RR: 32
Reply 25, posted (9 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2169 times:

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Quoting MLP86 (Reply 23):
Am I right that the contrast is to high?

Second version is better.

MLP86 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2011, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (9 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2161 times:

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 25):
Second version is better.

Ok, than I assume contrast of the other shot (HB-JHD) is also to high?

dlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7238 posts, RR: 32
Reply 27, posted (9 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2157 times:

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Quoting MLP86 (Reply 26):
Ok, than I assume contrast of the other shot (HB-JHD) is also to high?

Sorry, missed that they were two different regs. -JHD in reply #23 looks passable, but -JHJ the contrast looks a little low.

MLP86 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2011, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (9 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2147 times:

Ahh ok, it was not clever from me to ask about two similar shots in the same post.
But it's no problem, so I will let JHD in the queue how it is and add some contrast to JHJ.

Thanks for your help!
Max

MLP86 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2011, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (7 months 5 hours ago) and read 1310 times:

Hey,
can someone confirm if colour is ok now?

http://www.abload.de/img/hb-ixr.1024.new.highiylbu.jpg

Thanks!

dlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7238 posts, RR: 32
Reply 30, posted (6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1289 times:

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Quoting MLP86 (Reply 29):
colour is ok now?

Now? Compared to what?

MLP86 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2011, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (6 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1277 times:

Hi Dana,
this is the rejected one:

I got no advice in which way the colour should be corrected. For the rejected one I used automatic white balance. I adjusted the new one a little bit into the blue direction because from my experience awb sometimes tends to have a yellowish tint.

While we're at it I would link to ask another question:

This one was rejected first time due to over-sharpened (the only reason). I reedited it and now it was rejected because of crop, dead space in front of the aircraft. But as described in the rejection guide (acceptable off-center) I have a reason to crop it this way - to show the aircraft behind. How is your opinion?

BTW, I never get these rejection mails, so I have no chance not appeal it. Do I risk a warning when I try it again maybe with a comment to the screeners?

Thanks, Max

[Edited 2012-10-24 16:52:40]

dlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7238 posts, RR: 32
Reply 32, posted (6 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1273 times:

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Quoting MLP86 (Reply 31):
this is the rejected one:

Can't say I see a big difference between the two, but they both seem a bit yellow.

Quoting MLP86 (Reply 31):
I used automatic white balance.

I would try to avoid automatic anything really, nothing better than using your own judgment.

Quoting MLP86 (Reply 31):
While we're at it I would link to ask another question:

Centering should be fine, as the awkward centering is probably better than the awkward crop that would result if you cut the 74SP behind.

Quoting MLP86 (Reply 31):
BTW, I never get these rejection mails, so I have no chance not appeal it.

Bookmark this:

http://www.airliners.net/myphotos/appeal_photo.php

MLP86 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2011, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (6 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1260 times:

I am going to adjust the colour of the first photo again, it is no problem because I use RAW format. Generally I just have more confidence in the AWB then in my uncalibrated monitor and mostly it works good.

As you share my opinion on the off-centered second photo I decided to appeal it - let's see what is going to happen...

Thanks again for your help!
Max

MLP86 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2011, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (6 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1234 times:

I am not surprised that the appeal was declined because of the grainy issue, but beside that the reason is again bad centered. Sure that I should crop it this way? It really does not look better with this cutted 747:

Or should I first work on the grainy issue only and try it again with the first crop?

dlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7238 posts, RR: 32
Reply 35, posted (6 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1234 times:

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I see there were not any comments about the crop on the appeal so it could be that whoever handled it forgot to remove 'centering' as a reason, but I guess you'd be better off now just re-submitting with the tighter crop.

MLP86 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2011, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (6 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1162 times:

What do you think about heat haze in this shot, would it be acceptable?

Thanks for your contribution!

dlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7238 posts, RR: 32
Reply 37, posted (6 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1147 times:

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Heat haze shouldn't be a problem, though whatever you've done to the sky has made it quite blotchy.

MLP86 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2011, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (6 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1146 times:

Thanks for the fast reply!
I think the sky got blotchy because I brightened up the shades of blue a little bit, that should be fixed now:

dlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7238 posts, RR: 32
Reply 39, posted (6 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1139 times:

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Quoting MLP86 (Reply 38):
that should be fixed now

This should be fine.

MLP86 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2011, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1096 times:

How is your opinion about this one? I reedited it after it got rejected because of "quality grainy soft dark":

Te rejected one is here.

Thanks!

dlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7238 posts, RR: 32
Reply 41, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1095 times:

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Quoting MLP86 (Reply 40):
How is your opinion about this one?

I don't see noise being a problem, but the light isn't very good.

MLP86 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2011, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (2 months 2 hours ago) and read 572 times:

Hey,
I got another rejection:

reason: low contrast motive contrast personal

Can someone explain the motive issue? Should I crop tighter on the instruments?

Thanks in advance!
Max

MLP86 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2011, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 550 times:

Maybe this way?

New edit:

dlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7238 posts, RR: 32
Reply 44, posted (1 month 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 532 times:

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Quoting MLP86 (Reply 42):
Hey,
I got another rejection:

I think the motive should have been passable on the first, but the contrast is a bit low. The second is overexposed and quite noisy; and I think the crop is better on the first personally.

MLP86 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2011, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 524 times:

Thanks Dana, I will follow your suggestion and make a new edit tomorrow.
Best Regards, Max

MLP86 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2011, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (1 month 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 438 times:

I recently changed my monitor and have calibrated it. Now I can comprehend why some shots before got rejected.

However I have to get used to it. Unconsciously I still apply the compensation which was necessary with the old monitor.

So this one was rejected for color (blue cast) and grainy in 1400px resolution. I reedited the shot today and exported in only 1200px:

Is it OK now? For me it looks good, but it is tricky to get the right balance due to the different light temperatures between the foreground (shadow on engine and wing) and the daylight in background.

Regards, Max

dlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7238 posts, RR: 32
Reply 47, posted (1 month 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 431 times:

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Quoting MLP86 (Reply 46):
Is it OK now?

Maybe a touch blue, but I don't see color being an major issue.

MLP86 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2011, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (3 weeks 1 day 19 hours 40 minutes ago) and read 256 times:

Since I got my new and calibrated monitor, I understand why the picture in post 40 (Swiss A319) was rejected.

Now I was trying to get a reedited version accepted, but it was rejected twice for overexposed and now for low contrast and soft. Before getting the next rejection I would like to ask for your opinion.

First two of the rejected to compare:
Overexposed

low contrast, soft:

This is the new one which is now in the queue with higher contrast, more sharpness and only 1024p:

Regards, Max

[Edited 2013-04-29 14:24:54]

mjgbtv From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (3 weeks 1 day 19 hours 28 minutes ago) and read 249 times:

The new one appears a bit oversharpened in spots, for example the reg letters and the rear of the tail.

The contrast looks pretty good to me now, but I sometimes err on the low side so others might not agree.

MLP86 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2011, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (3 weeks 1 day 5 hours 7 minutes ago) and read 227 times:

Thanks for your response!

I reduced the sharpness in some spots and clarity for the tail because it looked strangely dark after increasing contrast to this level. This is the result:

MLP86 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2011, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (1 week 3 days 21 hours 19 minutes ago) and read 129 times:

OK, I have to ask again:

This one was rejected for low contrast:
Version 1

I increased the contrast slightly (already for the second time) and now it got rejected for harsh contrast:
Version 2

How is that possible? I do not see enough difference between these to versions allowing two rejections for opposite reasons!?

Additional question: The second rejection reason was soft, can someone specify where exactly the 1024p version is soft? In my eyes it is borderline over sharped which user mjgbtv in post 49 also said.

Thanks in advance,
Max

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