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Trying To Get First Photos Accepted  
User currently offlineLavi From Finland, joined Jul 2012, 9 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1128 times:

Hello,

As the headline says, I'm new into photo editing, although I have been taking aircraft-related pictures for my own albums for some years now. After a few rejections, I decided to post here before uploading a few new ones, and hopefully get some hints at what I am doing wrong (and what I should be doing instead).

So here are my three premier candidates at the moment:

1. http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/3309/extra300mod.jpg

I like this one, could it pass, or is there something wrong with it?

2. http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9453/elal747.jpg

Maybe a bit on the light side, or?

3. http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/6470/viper2mod.jpg edited picture

A bit too light (especially the sky)? Something seems a bit funny with the way the hot air from the engine.

[Edited 2012-08-20 10:57:41]

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User currently onlineteopilot From Italy, joined Jul 2010, 527 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (9 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1110 times:

Unfortunately The El Al picture has several issues:
First, standards here would require a slightly tighter crop than the one you have done.
Then, along with this, several other issues are present... such as grain.
Also soft is present, which tends to turn into a blur on wings, engine inlets, nose and tail.
I am quite sceptic on the possibilities to recover this picture, to be honest...

then a few opinions that you have to take with care, since I am not a screener or an expert in this sense as others over here are.
As far as the Extra 300 shot is concerned, personally I like it and it is definitely better than the other two ones in my opinion. A bit soft in certain parts, but I think it may worth a try after a further USM pass.
I can't tell you if there are other issues along with this one.

For the F-16 picture... I would let other people give you a word of advice, since I would risk to tell you something wrong.

User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 8200 posts, RR: 28
Reply 2, posted (9 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1094 times:
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1.) Looks soft, and maybe the contrast is a bit strong?
2.) Overexposed, color (parts of the plane look yellowish), blurry....doubt it has the quality for here.
3.) Looks a bit dark to me, and soft.


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User currently offlineLavi From Finland, joined Jul 2012, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1048 times:

Guessed the El Al might fall short...

But generally speaking, it seems I am leaving my photos too soft. This was btw the first version posted of the F-16 shot:

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/6470/viper2mod.jpg

User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 8200 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (9 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1044 times:
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Looks better, exposure-wise. Looks a bit soft and maybe a bit yellow.


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User currently offlineLavi From Finland, joined Jul 2012, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1036 times:

Okay, so here are the Extra and the F-16 sharpened and with slightly less contrast for the Extra & more blue for the F-16:

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/5391/extra300mod2.jpg

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/5779/viper2ver3.jpg

User currently offlinedlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7238 posts, RR: 32
Reply 6, posted (9 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1035 times:
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Quoting Lavi (Reply 5):
the Extra

Oversharpened.

Quoting Lavi (Reply 5):
and the F-16

A little dark and some dust spots, but otherwise ok.

User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 8200 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (9 months 2 days ago) and read 1031 times:
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Quoting dlowwa (Reply 6):
Quoting Lavi (Reply 5):
the Extra

Oversharpened.

There are also giant sharpening halos at all the high-contrast edges. I'm guessing you were using a large radius for the sharpening; you'll want to avoid doing that. I usually use 0.3 or 0.4 pixels.

Actually, I can see them on the F-16 too, though not as obviously. You may get an editing rejection for that.


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User currently offlinedlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7238 posts, RR: 32
Reply 8, posted (9 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 993 times:
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Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 7):
ou may get an editing rejection for that.

I don't see anything that would cause an editing rejection.

User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 8200 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (9 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 982 times:
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Quoting dlowwa (Reply 8):
I don't see anything that would cause an editing rejection.

Fair enough. Though I do seem to see them on the Extra....perhaps not on the F-16. For example, on the rear edge of the tail on the Extra.


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User currently offlineLavi From Finland, joined Jul 2012, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 months 23 hours ago) and read 973 times:

Okay, let's make another try (and thank you very much for all your help so far!):

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8287/viper2ver4.jpg

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/6785/extra300mod3.jpg

User currently offlinedlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7238 posts, RR: 32
Reply 11, posted (9 months 22 hours ago) and read 964 times:
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Quoting Lavi (Reply 10):
Okay, let's make another try

Now you're starting to get some editing halos on the F-16 shot. There are halos around the tail & treeline. Likely an editing rejection for that. Second one looks better, but it will always be difficult to get the sharpening balance right with cheat lines like that.

User currently offlineLavi From Finland, joined Jul 2012, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 months 21 hours ago) and read 956 times:

Okay, so I oversharpened the Extra again? Should I try to use one level of sharpening on the cheat line, and another on the rest of the aircraft?

How is this version of the F-16? Basically I rolled back to the second newest version and only cleaned up all dust spots I could find and made it lighter. Did it become too light? And I am somewhat worried about the tint (green-ish?).

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/6237/viper2ver5.jpg

[Edited 2012-08-22 12:04:54]

User currently offlinedlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7238 posts, RR: 32
Reply 13, posted (9 months 15 hours ago) and read 931 times:
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Quoting Lavi (Reply 12):
How is this version of the F-16?

Halos still present, multiple dust spots, and yes, slight yellow/green tint.

User currently offlineLavi From Finland, joined Jul 2012, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 909 times:

What about the cheat line on the Extra now (I know the halos still are there, trying to take on tiny step at a time)?

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/5391/extra300mod2.jpg

The F-16 I started over with, how is it now? Are there still dust spots I haven't found (and in that case, where?)?

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/6470/viper2mod.jpg

User currently offlineLavi From Finland, joined Jul 2012, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 901 times:

...and another try with the Extra:

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/6785/extra300mod3.jpg

I still seem to get the editing halos. What can be done to try to avoid getting them (I assume not getting them in the first place is easier than trying to correct them afterwards...).

User currently offlinedlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7238 posts, RR: 32
Reply 16, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 857 times:
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Quoting Lavi (Reply 14):
What about the cheat line on the Extra now
Quoting Lavi (Reply 14):
..and another try with the Extra:

Neither are that great, might have to give up on this one.

Quoting Lavi (Reply 14):
The F-16 I started over with, how is it now?

Yellow, soft, and dirty.

User currently offlineLavi From Finland, joined Jul 2012, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 848 times:

A pity about the Extra, but I think I'll leave it for now and maybe come back to it when I'm more experienced.

Yet another version of the Viper (now I really think I've gotten all the dust spots, or?):

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1273/250801viper2.jpg

And a few other shots:

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/9361/250801hornet.jpg

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/5224/250801koala.jpg

http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/8384/250801suissa.jpg

User currently offlinedlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7238 posts, RR: 32
Reply 18, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 846 times:
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Quoting Lavi (Reply 17):
Yet another version of the Viper (now I really think I've gotten all the dust spots, or?):

Still yellow, and dust spot at right edge.

Quoting Lavi (Reply 17):
And a few other shots:

The helicopter might have a chance, though it is yellow, and has editing halos. The other two don't have a chance.

User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 8200 posts, RR: 28
Reply 19, posted (8 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 824 times:
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Just to provide some info regarding this question:

Quoting Lavi (Reply 15):
I still seem to get the editing halos. What can be done to try to avoid getting them (I assume not getting them in the first place is easier than trying to correct them afterwards...).

First thing to do is determine what step in your editing process is causing them. Then solutions are generally easy to determine. Typical questions I would ask:

Is it occurring during sharpening? Are you using the shadow/highlight tool? Are you doing any other selective editing aside from sharpening (that is, selecting only part of the photo and editing it)?

But basically, just find out at what step of your editing they are appearing.


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