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User currently offlineBogac From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 52 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1290 times:

As I want to have some contribution to the db badly, I am uploading many photos and ask your precious feedback. I decided I should have them in one topic rather than starting several new topics.

Here is the first one. Thanks a lot for your comments.

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1963/20120908ltbatcjnd0139.jpg

[Edited 2012-09-16 14:45:13]

[Edited 2012-09-16 14:55:09]

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User currently offlineevall95 From Australia, joined Aug 2011, 306 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1265 times:

Thats a pretty good first shot although has some issues to keep it from being accepted. Firstly the shot is back lit meaning that the light is not shining directly on the side of the the aircraft that you are shooting at and the aircraft is way too low in the frame. I will let a screener comment on the quality.

User currently offlinedlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7328 posts, RR: 30
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1265 times:

The bad angle of the light pretty much cancels out any other concern. You're unlikely to get backlit images accepted unless the subject is very rare, or the backlighting is intentional to achieve an effect. Neither is the case here.

User currently offlineBogac From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1224 times:

OK, thanks a lot for the feedback. Actually I was pretty sure that photo would get positive comments and I am surprised. But these comments definitely will change the way I look into aviation photography and I will pay more attention to detail for sure.

Here's another one.

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/2585/20120908ltba4kaz810014.jpg


User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10252 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1216 times:
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Quoting Bogac (Reply 3):
OK, thanks a lot for the feedback. Actually I was pretty sure that photo would get positive comments and I am surprised. But these comments definitely will change the way I look into aviation photography and I will pay more attention to detail for sure.

There's nothing wrong with the photo - it doesn't meet A.net criteria, but personally I think it's a nice photo.

However, with that one and the Azerbaijan shot, it looks to me like you're using a heck of a lot of noise reduction - probably far more than is necessary.



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User currently offlineBogac From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1214 times:

Yes, your right. I use a lot of Noise Reduction cause I get a lot of "soft" criticism and I still do not know how to decide what amount is appropriate and how much is too much.  

Of course I respect high quality standarts of a.net, but I still wonder in which aspect that image would be considered "not good enough" and is there anything that can be done for this image to edit better.

Thanks a lot for your appreciation and feedback.


User currently offlineBogac From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1213 times:

Oh... I now see that I misunderstood. A330 shot is backlit and that's a rejection. I get that.

What about the Azerbaijan shot? Do you think that might be accepted with a better edit?

Best.


User currently offlinedlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7328 posts, RR: 30
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1199 times:

Quoting Bogac (Reply 6):
What about the Azerbaijan shot? Do you think that might be accepted with a better edit?

Possibly, but can't say for sure without seeing that better edit. Color looks a bit off as well.


User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10252 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1194 times:
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Quoting Bogac (Reply 5):
Yes, your right. I use a lot of Noise Reduction cause I get a lot of "soft" criticism and I still do not know how to decide what amount is appropriate and how much is too much.

You're starting at the wrong end. Start with NO noise reduction, then add if necessary.

The less, the better. Too much NR erases detail, and gives a photo a sort of plastic look. It's the first thing I noticed when I opened your Azerbaijan shot.

Plus, noise reduction softens the image. It doesn't make it less soft.



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User currently offlineBogac From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1187 times:

Thanks for the feedback. I used the word "soft" instead of oversharpened. It seems I have a tendency towards oversharpening and was trying to overcome this by noise reduction. Its obvious I need to edit better.

[Edited 2012-09-17 20:57:06]

User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10252 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1173 times:
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Quoting Bogac (Reply 9):
Thanks for the feedback. I used the word "soft" instead of oversharpened. It seems I have a tendency towards oversharpening and was trying to overcome this by noise reduction. Its obvious I need to edit better.

Ah, gotcha. Don't worry, there's a steep learning curve when you first start uploading here.

But yeah, the less processing you have to do, the better. So instead of "de-sharpening" through NR, just don't sharpen as much in the first place.  



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User currently offlineBogac From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1129 times:

How about this one?

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/2585/20120908ltba4kaz810014.jpg

[Edited 2012-09-19 14:07:35]

User currently offlinefrankc From Belgium, joined Oct 2011, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1121 times:
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Hi,

I think I can see oversharpening (for example, check the space between the wing and the extended flaps), and there's a dust spot visible under both the left-and righthand engine areas.

[Edited 2012-09-19 14:12:13]

User currently offlineBogac From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 1117 times:

Thanks a lot for the feedback, franc. I reloaded the image. Any ideas for cleaning dust spots?

User currently offlinefrankc From Belgium, joined Oct 2011, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 1114 times:
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Hi Bogac
The dustspots can be eliminated relatively easy in Photoshop by using the Clone Tool.
PS there are dustspots under both the engine areas in the photo - I overlooked the other initially  
Cheers
Frank


User currently offlineBogac From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 1112 times:

It seems I have lots of spots. Hope noone else sees them. Reedited...

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/2585/20120908ltba4kaz810014.jpg


User currently offlinedlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7328 posts, RR: 30
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 1103 times:

Quoting Bogac (Reply 15):
Reedited...

This would be rejected for soft, editing (halos), and dirty.


User currently offlineBogac From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1078 times:

Still trying:

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/2585/20120908ltba4kaz810014.jpg


User currently offlineBogac From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1078 times:

and this is a 1024 px version of the above.

http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/1413/20120908ltba4kaz8100141.jpg


User currently offlineBogac From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1048 times:

Any ideas on whether the last two are OK or not?

User currently offlinedlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7328 posts, RR: 30
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1032 times:

Quoting Bogac (Reply 18):
and this is a 1024 px version of the above.

Would be rejected for grainy, editing (halos) and soft.


User currently offlineBogac From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1023 times:

İ am a little frustrated. İ even cant see the differences with the accepted ones.  

User currently offlineBogac From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1022 times:

How about this:

http://imageshack.us/a/img827/7605/20120908ltbatcath0016.jpg


User currently offlinedlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7328 posts, RR: 30
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1010 times:

Quoting Bogac (Reply 22):
How about this:

Dirty and a little soft.


User currently offlineBogac From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1010 times:

Any advice on how to understand when it becomes clean? I clean them up using the spot healing tool and clone tool in ps but dont know how much would be considered clean.

User currently offlinefrankc From Belgium, joined Oct 2011, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1007 times:
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Hi,
There's a darker area immediately below the exhaust of the RH engine (viewer's viewpoint). Probably a remainder of the editing proces.
It's quite visibly - even without equalizing the image (check the Editing page on this website).
In general, equalizing your image will pop up the dust spots and other artifacts.
Cheers
Frank


User currently offlineBogac From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1003 times:

Here's another one:

http://imageshack.us/a/img9/1610/20120908ltbaylbbo0177.jpg


User currently offlineBogac From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1002 times:

Thanks a lot for the info, Franc.

User currently offlinedlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7328 posts, RR: 30
Reply 28, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 986 times:

Quoting Bogac (Reply 26):
Here's another one:

A little soft/heat hazed, and looks like you applied a fair amount of noise reduction. Also no need for a 4:3 ratio in this in instance (3:2 would be better), but that would not be a rejection reason.


User currently offlineBogac From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 968 times:

Reedited:

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/7605/20120908ltbatcath0016.jpg


User currently offlineBogac From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 963 times:

And here's the other:

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/1610/20120908ltbaylbbo0177.jpg


User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10252 posts, RR: 26
Reply 31, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 959 times:
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Quoting Bogac (Reply 29):
Reedited:

Aside from sharpness and dust spot, I'd say the previous edit was better. The new one has halos, colors are weird (compare it to the previous edit), and looks like a lot of NR again. Still a bit soft.

I'd suggest you try some edits without any NR and see how they look.

Quoting Bogac (Reply 30):
And here's the other:

Previous edit looked sharper than this one.



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User currently offlineBogac From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 956 times:

Well, actually I wasn't happy with the new one but I couldn't delete it. Started working from scratch. I guess I need to stop editing for some time and return to my FSX.  

User currently offlinedlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7328 posts, RR: 30
Reply 33, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 954 times:

Quoting Bogac (Reply 29):
Reedited

As noted, still soft and obvious editing halos.

Quoting Bogac (Reply 30):
And here's the other:

Editing better, but still soft/heat hazed.


User currently offlineBogac From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 942 times:

Thanks a lot for the info. Would you please tell me where do you see the halos? Still trying to learn what not to do... these last two don't have any NR and I didn't expected to hear about halos. Probably I am looking for something else.

User currently offlinedlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7328 posts, RR: 30
Reply 35, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 941 times:

Quoting Bogac (Reply 34):
these last two don't have any NR

Like I said, don't see a problem with the editing of the second; the first has soft halos around the whole of the aircraft. If you're not applying NR, then perhaps it has something to do with the masking you are doing.

I've indicated how far the halo extends from the fuselage; you can see the sky is a different color for a few pixels extending from the fuselage.

http://imageshack.us/a/img26/7605/20120908ltbatcath0016.jpg


User currently offlineBogac From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (2 years 2 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 915 times:

Still trying:

http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/3539/20120908ltbaylbbo0176.jpg


User currently offlineBogac From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (2 years 2 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 907 times:

I am not so sure about the YL-BBO but I feel I am very close for the TC-ATH (AtlasJet) below. Please use words such as magnificient, nail, brilliant etc, but not soft, halo, edit...

Thanks.

http://imageshack.us/a/img210/7605/20120908ltbatcath0016.jpg


User currently offlinedlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7328 posts, RR: 30
Reply 38, posted (2 years 2 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 877 times:

Quoting Bogac (Reply 37):
I am not so sure about the YL-BBO but I feel I am very close for the TC-ATH (AtlasJet) below.

Both still slightly soft, though I don't see any halos on the latest version of the Atlasjet.


User currently offlineBogac From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (2 years 2 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 874 times:

Does "slightly soft" counts as acceptable?  

At least I had some progress...


User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10252 posts, RR: 26
Reply 40, posted (2 years 2 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 874 times:
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Quoting Bogac (Reply 39):
Does "slightly soft" counts as acceptable?

My guess is no. It certainly wouldn't hurt to add a bit of sharpening.....



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User currently offlineBogac From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (2 years 2 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 872 times:

All right. As these were my closest images to "acceptable", I don't want to mess up :P. Cause you know, there's a pretty thin line between slightly soft and oversharpened.  

Sadly I am at work now and I'll have to wait until I go back home.


User currently offlineBogac From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 852 times:

Here they are, with just a hint of sharpening.

Shall I take my place in the queue?



http://www.bogacerkan.net/bogac/images/20120908-LTBA-TC-ATH-0016.jpg

http://www.bogacerkan.net/bogac/images/20120908-LTBA-YL-BBO-0176.jpg


User currently offlinedlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7328 posts, RR: 30
Reply 43, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 818 times:

Quoting Bogac (Reply 42):
Here they are, with just a hint of sharpening.

Atlastjet might have a chance, the Baltic will always been borderline because you can't really fix heat haze with sharpening.


User currently offlineBogac From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 625 times:

Atlasjet got rejected with "quality soft overexposed colour" and Baltic was accepted.

 


User currently offlinedlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7328 posts, RR: 30
Reply 45, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 611 times:

Quoting Bogac (Reply 44):
Atlasjet got rejected with "quality soft overexposed colour"

I can see soft and color being an issue, but not really quality over overexposed.


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