Soaring1972 From Germany, joined Jan 2011, 161 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 579 times:
I am the first photographer who uploaded this Seaking on this db. Normaly it is not able to photograph this one, because it is standing in a secured area and is not visible in flight-service. It was damaged in the erly days and was replaced with a new one with the same reg (which you can find on this db)!
One picture during the day was accepted but now this one not for soft, grainy and dark! Well you will never have the chance to see this one moving via street by night to it´s new homebase again!!!
It is "interesting" if you compare this pictures with accepted picture here and read this in the rejection guide:
"Rare aircraft and new registrations will also be screened with more leniency. We understand that the term rare is subjective. By rare we mean individual aircraft (new registrations)"
The second picture was a 30sec shot. Sorry, it was windy, so thats maybe the problem with a slightly softness! (yes we are living at the coast!)
For the second picture I only had less one minute time to do it, because the military were discussing the problem with the trees on the right side! All the other helicopters were moved without standing-time!
Obviously the screeners are thinking the german navy is moving their helicopters every day via road and will place them only for me in the perfect light as long as I need to shoot them???
Soaring1972 From Germany, joined Jan 2011, 161 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (6 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 551 times:
Yes I am seeking for an sympathetic ear here! You are right!!!
For me this screening-system is simply a farce! Why? The screening system is working unfair and is only working with "how we can reject this picture?" And it is obviously working with vavoritism. It is sensless to discuss that here!!! I am not the first one trying to show this!!!!
I am not angry about major faults-rejections! Yes, sometimes my pictures also have them like the borders of the last session!
But to reject a picture with "to much orange light" of teh sreetlights is very arogant even when I know none of the screener has ever been there!!!
And I can discuss with you endless-hours about some level-rejections on airflieds I am familar with because I fly there, but your screeners have never been there!
I know screeners are spending their free time here but also the photographers do! And I know a lot of photographers, who quit here because they do not feel welcome here! And it is multiplicated especialy if you are trying to show the non-standard.
You might know that it is much-much easier to show a 737 during landing in normal light condition than doing for e.g. an Air2Air during night!!!
And if you are showing shots like I showed/discussed above and get them rejected I have a question about what your screeners are doing? Only looking FOR PIXLES? Or they are looking FOR PICTURES? I think the first one!!!
If I am thinking about f.e. the unique pictures about the King-transportation I would not think about what other pictures I am missing here!!?!?!?!??!
To bring this to an end:
After 231 pictures, 711.000 hits on them, some "Photographers Choise", some "Top of the day", uncounted positive comments to my pictures, I will stop uploading here now!!!
One year ago I ask a database-editor to kill my account and delete my pictures, for the same reason, I was requested not to do so and still upload them, because my picture are showeing intersting non-standard stuff!
Nearby 50% pictures of the airfield Nordholz (one of the biggest military airfields of Germany and the only German naval-airbase together with pictures from one of the biggest northern flying-clubs) will be effected!
dlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7238 posts, RR: 32 Reply 4, posted (6 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 543 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW HEAD SCREENER
Sorry, Jan but my from my perspective the fault lies simply with your attitude. I offered to help you personally with your images when you first started uploading, but you refused any assistance. When you started posting here in the feedback forum, again I tried to offer assistance, but you wouldn't have it: you were right, the screeners were wrong, as simple as that. The only time I have ever seen you admit a problem with your images was with the borders, as that was something that was indisputable. Every other single time it has been that someone else was wrong, and you knew better. Obviously you have not been able to adapt to the style of images accepted here, and your refusal to have an open mind only compounded the problem. There has to be some give-and-take when it comes to subjective things like color, brightness, and sharpness, but whereas we are willing to admit when mistakes have been made, I have yet to see that from you. Your overwhelming attitude has been "Here are my images, you know nothing, I know best, if you don't accept it, you will never see it again!". In fact, I see you have appealed the above image with almost exactly the same comments
Sadly, this type of attitude is not a good fit for a.net, so I would like to thank you for your contributions, and wish you good luck in the future.
JakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4735 posts, RR: 8 Reply 5, posted (6 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 528 times:
I think many of us sympathise with how you feel about the screening lately and I must say I saw one of your recent threads (with the air-to-ground shots) and really couldn't see a lot wrong with the images. But I can see why the ones above aren't right for here. The light is very poor - obviously not your fault but they are not aesthetically pleasing overall.
I don't have a complex about getting rejections, unless they are completely unreasonable (and many have been lately), however I have realised recently that a few of my rejections have been totally justified once I've taken a second look at the images in question. Not sure whether it's how the light falls across my screen but I edit at all times of the day (and night!) so things are bound to look different sometimes. What looked just right one day often looks a touch bright the next, and so on.
A good measure I find of how fair a rejection is is to look at the image immediately after rejection - in most cases I pick up on the reason and simply fix it before re-uploading; but occasionally I don't and so leave it until the next day, when I look again. If I still don't see a problem I usually deem the rejection unfair.
I once thought seriously about pulling all my images, but then I thought about what good it would actually do - and came to the conclusion that more bad than good would come of it. All the hard work it took to get them here, undone in seconds due to a fit of rage; and depriving all those who actually like looking at my photos. There's also photo sales to bear in mind - I've sold two images hosted here this month, for reasonable money!
Ceasing to upload is one thing, but do you really feel it necessary to take those images you already have here away? Isn't it a bit pointless?
Pathetic rejections infuriate me and I will say my piece in these forums, but after the initial annoyance it's something I care little about. Yes, I'd love the inconsistencies to stop but I'm sure there's far more chance of that happening than me stopping uploading.
alevik From Canada, joined Mar 2009, 804 posts, RR: 8 Reply 6, posted (6 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 438 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW HEAD SCREENER
Echoing the comments of others, I would hate to see your images leave the site. They are different and rare and bring a different side of aviation to our site.
Having said that I do agree with Dana regarding your attitude towards rejections. Do screeners make mistakes - absolutely. Will there be different opinions on a subjective thing such as a photograph? Of course there will be. Unfortunately, it is not possible, as Dana has pointed out, for you to always be right and everyone else to always be wrong. Even a blind squirrel gets a nut once in a while, so even if we screeners are blind, statistically we will get one right at some point.
I wish you all the best in your future photographic and aviation endeavors!
MaximLezin From Canada, joined Jun 2011, 355 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 416 times:
Jan certainly does continuosly shoot very unique and interesting things. But, I think that is exactly what this site needs. I mean would viewers rather see another 737 on a clear sky, landing at some airport, with it being tip top according to rules, or something unique and different. I think the answer is the latter. I think the screeners and the site overall is just getting bored of the same old shots, and thats why those types of shots are scrutinised to such an extent. They just dont want too much of the same. On the other hand, Jan, who worked hard, went out, tryed to catch a shot with this site in mind, and in the end just gets rejected. Its a slap to the face and in my opinion - also the soul. It is indeed understandable the photographers fury and rage. Ive felt it myself. Photographers all take pictures with their best intention in mind - to benefit the site, and so their work can be viewed. Almost in a loving way. Yet, the site treats them harshly, with no mercy at all.
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