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User currently offlinechriswade From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2012, 78 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1238 times:

Ok so im having a bit of trouble getting my sharpening right so i thought id post a few in here till i about get it right. ive had a few rejections for over-sharpening. The first 2 were sharpened how i normally sharpen them but ive uploaded them already so might aswell leave them in! the second 2 pics have been sharpened less than i normally do. what do we reckon?

thanks

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b...v1353970060.0096hawker850-bham.jpg

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b...e1353694360.1637cess510-man-cw.jpg

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b.../f1353883622.9492lutha319-bham.jpg

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b...1353918380.6902ryanbham-251112.jpg

i hope the links work.

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User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10032 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1230 times:
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First one looks mostly fine to me; the nose might be a bit soft.

Second one looks oversharpened in parts, especially on the cheatlines (I never sharpen cheatlines as much as other areas, because they tend to become oversharpened very quickly).

Having trouble telling about the third; looks slightly soft in spots, but maybe slightly oversharpened in others. Or maybe it's just right.  

Fourth one looks to me like it might be slightly blurry.

In all, I'd say you might have to consider that not all areas on the aircraft will need the same amount of sharpening. I have a pretty standard set of areas where I erase some of the sharpening, like cheatlines, wings/flaps, cockpit windows sometimes...



"Two and a Half Men" was filmed in front of a live ostrich.
User currently offlinechriswade From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2012, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1215 times:

sorry to sound silly but what are cheatlines?

User currently offlineDL747 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1213 times:

Vik is referencing the lines that run horizontally (ish) down the fuselage. Nice photos, by the way!


Just like the shirt says, Boeing Builds It Better!
User currently offlinechriswade From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2012, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1213 times:

ahh right thank you. sorry im a newbie too all this. And thanks for the kind comment  

User currently offlinedlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7328 posts, RR: 30
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1204 times:

Quoting chriswade (Thread starter):
what do we reckon?

They all look fine.


User currently offlinechriswade From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2012, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1204 times:

Really? you have made my day. Thank you

User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10032 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1201 times:
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Quoting dlowwa (Reply 5):
They all look fine.

Ack.....I really must remember not to reply to screening threads on my work monitor....  



"Two and a Half Men" was filmed in front of a live ostrich.
User currently offlinechriswade From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2012, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1197 times:

haha dont worry about it. im on my home pc and cant spot half the stuff most people can  

User currently offlineDL747 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1189 times:

Quoting chriswade (Reply 8):

Yeah, me too. But, hey, anet is cool, and we are all here to learn from the best in the business.



Just like the shirt says, Boeing Builds It Better!
User currently offlinechriswade From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2012, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1165 times:

ok, i have a set that are all like these next photos and im a bit worried about how bright they are etc. what do you reckon?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/chriswadereptiles/8238834067/lightbox/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/chriswadereptiles/8239900728/lightbox/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/chriswadereptiles/8238839209/lightbox/

Also ive seen a few tail shots be accepted. how about this one?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/chriswadereptiles/8238839209/lightbox/

thanks

chris


User currently offlinedlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7328 posts, RR: 30
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1164 times:

Quoting chriswade (Reply 10):
what do you reckon?

They look ok.

Quoting chriswade (Reply 10):
ive seen a few tail shots be accepted. how about this one?

Seems the same as the third one above.


User currently offlinechriswade From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2012, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1160 times:

oops sorry put the same link

http://www.flickr.com/photos/chriswa...reptiles/8238839327/in/photostream

this is the one.


User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1154 times:

Hi Chris,

Hope the lens is holding up well!

Nice tail shot but there's a lot of dead space - can you do a 4:3 crop, or even a portrait? Might make it look more balanced.

Karl


User currently offlinedlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7328 posts, RR: 30
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1150 times:

Quoting chriswade (Reply 12):
this is the one.

A touch soft, but otherwise looks ok.


User currently offlinechriswade From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2012, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1144 times:

Thanks Karl ill try that  . Hope the trip went well.

ok thanks dlowwa. i cant see the soft myself but im useless :p


User currently offlinechriswade From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2012, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1118 times:

I decided to give the tail shot a miss as i really didnt like it myself anyway. These will be my next 2 uploads. im worried a little about the lighting on the Ryanair? and the Qatar is the first pic ive tried in that style.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/chriswadereptiles/8242116179/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/chriswadereptiles/8243184742/

Also a quick question. If i have a picture of an aircraft i wish to upload which was taken on the same day as someone else (i.e same aircraft reg and same day and already uploaded by them) is there any point me uploading it or will it be rejected for common?

Thanks

Chris


User currently offlinedlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7328 posts, RR: 30
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1111 times:

Quoting chriswade (Reply 16):
These will be my next 2 uploads.

They look fine.

Quoting chriswade (Reply 16):
If i have a picture of an aircraft i wish to upload which was taken on the same day as someone else (i.e same aircraft reg and same day and already uploaded by them) is there any point me uploading it or will it be rejected for common?

It will not be rejected for common for that reason.


User currently offlinechriswade From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2012, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1099 times:

Thank you. That means i have more to upload now 

User currently offlinechriswade From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2012, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1063 times:

will this be rejected because of the reddish appearance? it was very early morning sun!

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b...354311235.7572luthmanch-a320cw.jpg


User currently offlinedlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7328 posts, RR: 30
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1052 times:

Quoting chriswade (Reply 19):
will this be rejected because of the reddish appearance?

Should be ok.


User currently offlinechriswade From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2012, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1034 times:

Was accepted. Thanks  

User currently offlinechriswade From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2012, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1014 times:

Took this today but had wrong camera settings. Doh. Anyway im not sure if i got away with it etc. what do you reckon?

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b...147447.1776royjorcargo-emid-cw.jpg


User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1012 times:

Looks fine to me. What do you mean by 'wrong settings'? They are only wrong if the resulting image is poor.

Karl


User currently offlinechriswade From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2012, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1009 times:

i was a bit worried about the shiny front, also had it set too alfocus rather than alservo as was shooting stills before. Thanks karl, fingers crossed.

User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 25, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1012 times:

Chris,

The 'shiny front' is nothing more than the sun reflecting off the nose, which is perfectly acceptable. Don't worry about that.

AI servo and AI focus are similar, and both should work okay for a moving subject. Is the original file blurry or overly soft anywhere?

Karl


User currently offlinechriswade From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2012, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1012 times:

nah seems fine  , had some lovely side on shots but were blurred   this was best of the bunch.

User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 27, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1018 times:

Were you using manual mode? I used to use manual all the time but it can really catch you out with the changeable UK weather! I tend to stick to Av these days (and occasionally Tv), which accounts for lighting changes a little better than full manual.

I still love manual but only tend to use it for static subjects these days - I've ruined far too many opportunities in the past by avoiding the semi-automatic modes.

Karl


User currently offlinechriswade From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2012, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1006 times:

ive switched to using Av now. i ruined a fair few from that day in manchester with you because of manual mode.

User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 29, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1000 times:

Yeah, manual is great but you can't control the weather unfortunately. Luckily digital cameras are far more forgiving in the semi-automatic modes than their 35mm forerunners.

By the way, we have a great forecast up here for tomorrow!

Karl


User currently offlinechriswade From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2012, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 991 times:

I wish karl but looking after the child tomorrow  

User currently offlinechriswade From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2012, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 969 times:

Had this one rejected for Flat, needs a little more saturation, colour.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...h1354635313.5424qatar-manch-cw.jpg

What you reckon? i thought was ok and so did dlowwa!


User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 32, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 968 times:

Chris,

I can see what caused this rejection but it's a little harsh I think. The light's hitting the nose so I wouldn't expect the rest of the aircraft to be super-vibrant. I'd try an appeal and failing that, just add a touch of saturation (and maybe a pinch more contrast).

Karl


User currently offlinechriswade From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2012, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 965 times:

Thanks karl. Being the noob i am to this editing business (although i have learnt so much in the past few months ive been doing it) explain in general how i add saturation and contrast and what im exactly looking for. sorry  

User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 34, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 959 times:

Chris, appeal it first, see how you go on. If you get no joy I'll be happy to explain.

Karl


User currently offlinechriswade From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2012, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 952 times:

Have appealed anyway. Will let ya know. cheers karl.

User currently offlinechriswade From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2012, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 949 times:

I appealed and still rejected. Comment was...Photo ok but colour a little washed out.

ahh well you win some, you lose some  


User currently offlineDL747 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 946 times:

Yes, looks a bit washed out, and probably not the best light, but a very nice photo regardless. Does look flat to me, but not by a ton.


Just like the shirt says, Boeing Builds It Better!
User currently offlinehenkita217 From Australia, joined Apr 2007, 390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 943 times:
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It just needs a bit more contrast, no? Should be fixable.

Quoting DL747 (Reply 37):

^ Why is the light not good? It illuminated the whole aircraft. I'd be happy with that light.


User currently offlineDL747 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 937 times:

Well, it is very head on it seems, and that may be why it looks washed out.


Just like the shirt says, Boeing Builds It Better!
User currently offlinechriswade From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2012, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 930 times:

Thanks for the input guys, ill give it a try  

User currently offlinechriswade From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2012, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 894 times:

Im struggling to decide which one of these 2 too add if anyone wishes to help me out?

This one: although does the BA world cargo logo look a little over sharpened?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/chriswa...275218892/in/photostream/lightbox/

Or this one but im worries about the crop and angle etc:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/chriswa...274157127/in/photostream/lightbox/

Thanks

chris


User currently offlinedlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7328 posts, RR: 30
Reply 42, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 886 times:

Quoting chriswade (Reply 41):
a little over sharpened?

Just a little, yes.

Quoting chriswade (Reply 41):
Or this one but im worries about the crop and angle etc:

Both are fine.


User currently offlinechriswade From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2012, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 874 times:

Thank you   will upload the second as i prefer it.

User currently offlinechriswade From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2012, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 830 times:

Cant decide on which one of these too upload? mainly due to the crops.

Will this be rejected for motive as only 2 visible engines?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/chriswa...290712449/in/photostream/lightbox/

this is my fave and the one i want to upload but worried about where the crop is on the right hand side through the engine?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/chriswa...291768560/in/photostream/lightbox/

or play safe and use this one?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/chriswa...290712277/in/photostream/lightbox/

thanks
chris wade


User currently offlinedlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7328 posts, RR: 30
Reply 45, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 825 times:

Quoting chriswade (Reply 44):
Will this be rejected for motive as only 2 visible engines?

No.

Quoting chriswade (Reply 44):
worried about where the crop is on the right hand side through the engine?

Better to include the whole engine; this crop is a bit unattractive.

Quoting chriswade (Reply 44):
play safe and use this one?

Crop is fine.


User currently offlinechriswade From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2012, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 818 times:

ok thank you i will go with the safe one as the cropped front one is where the picture ends anyway. Thanks dlowwa as always  

User currently offlinechriswade From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2012, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 757 times:

Just had this rejected for high in frame? personally i think with the angle that it is about right. the nose and fuselage is below the centreline. what do you think?

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...226_l1355907121.5692klm-man-cw.jpg


User currently offlinedlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7328 posts, RR: 30
Reply 48, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 755 times:

Quoting chriswade (Reply 47):
what do you think?

Yes, quite high in the frame.


User currently offlinechriswade From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2012, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 747 times:

Was dreading you saying that :P. ok thank you will move down.

User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 50, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 727 times:

Chris, aircraft with high tails still tend to fall foul of a 'rule' which seems to have been instilled into the community by A.net in the not-too-distant past. Whether the 'rule' ever really existed as a site preference I can't say with any certainty but images following it always look/looked unattractive to me. Offending aircraft include particularly the 318, 319, 380, 73G, 736 and 74L. With such aircraft I always place the fuselage much lower in the frame than I otherwise would, to make sure that the image looks balanced.

Nothing more unattractive in my mind than an image where the tail is practically off the top frame-edge whilst the wheels sit atop a mass of dead space (usually grass or sky).

Cheers,

Karl


User currently offlinechriswade From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2012, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 713 times:

Thanks karl, yeh im having a bit of trouble getting my pictures centered, well at least to look central enough. As you say the high tails on some cause a problem and also when im trying to fit the whole aircraft in (including both wingtips) from an unusual angle. Here is one i was a bit unsure on whether it is central enough or not because of the angle i have taken it from, does this look ok?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/chriswa...315722284/in/photostream/lightbox/

Thanks
Chris


User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 52, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 702 times:

Chris,

That one looks good to me. I'd personally have pulled it a fraction further down in the frame but when I say that I'm talking about my own preferences and not the site's.

Recently I've noticed a slight shift in centring patterns here (for the better) but the old peference for high in frame is still evident, so some screeners obviously still like their aircraft that way. Since centring has never been an exact art this widening of margins is sensible - although I do cringe every time I see an A380 photo in which the tail is sinfully close to the top edge of the frame!

In the days of 35mm film and slide the preference was completely the opposite, with the aircraft sitting very low, underneath an unbalanced mass of normally blue sky (processing was so expensive you really couldn't afford to experiment in crap light/weather unless you were a pro!).

Whichever way you do it, take the rule by which one should centre the window-line with a big pinch of salt. This rule sometimes (emphasis on SOMETIMES) works for lanky planes like the CR9 and CRK, but not for 318s!

Happy New Year!

Karl


User currently offlinechriswade From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2012, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 53, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 698 times:

Thanks for that karl. Im afraid i dont remember them days being a young un (not quite)  . happy new year to you too dude and need to meet up again soon.

cheers
chris


User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 25
Reply 54, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 637 times:
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[Edited 2012-12-29 13:36:10]


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