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Topic: United FA Domicile/transfers Questions
Username: jetjack74
Posted 2012-11-15 12:32:21 and read 3177 times.

So my sister just got an interview for UA, and if she's picked and passes training, she wants to be based in NYC(Believe me, I know the deal, you go where you're sent). She noticed that UA is hiring to fill staffing for DEN and SFO. Now with my career in the airlines and my company. For those wanting to transfer to an east coast base like DTW, MSP, NYC, ATL, no sweat. For those wanting to transfer to a west coast base, SEA, LAX, SFO, HNL, good luck unless you're over 30 years seniority or you're an Asian or French(SEA) language speaker. So my question is, is NYC an easy base to transfer to and is the west coast as highly coveted as it is at other airlines? What might be the timeline she might face to get based in EWR/JFK?

Also, I understand that PMUA and PMCO have yet to merge? Am I correct?

Topic: RE: United FA Domicile/transfers Questions
Username: AirframeAS
Posted 2012-11-15 13:19:48 and read 3177 times.

Quoting jetjack74 (Thread starter):
She noticed that UA is hiring to fill staffing for DEN

As I understand it, we are not hiring for DEN based FA's, rather the sCO side is "setting up" a base here for FA's to transfer to.

Topic: RE: United FA Domicile/transfers Questions
Username: jetjack74
Posted 2012-11-15 13:25:34 and read 3177 times.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1):
As I understand it, we are not hiring for DEN based FA's, rather the sCO side is "setting up" a base here for FA's to transfer to.

So might that mean more senior FAs might transfer creating positions at other bases/hubs? Is this DEN base a permanent base or a satellite/temp base for cross-staffing purposes?

[Edited 2012-11-15 13:28:03]

Topic: RE: United FA Domicile/transfers Questions
Username: aznmadsci
Posted 2012-11-15 13:35:48 and read 3181 times.

I remember back in the day when I interviewed on a whim to be a CO FA, EWR was the most junior of hubs for CO and IAH was the most senior. It seems now new hires are based out of IAH. Which hubs are more senior and which are more junior for sCO and sUA?

Topic: RE: United FA Domicile/transfers Questions
Username: AirframeAS
Posted 2012-11-15 13:40:56 and read 3181 times.

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 2):
So might that mean more senior FAs might transfer creating positions at other bases/hubs?

Yeah, that's how I interpret it. A group of sCO FA's asked me one day on how the airside shuttle bus worked, and they were pretty senior. I guess the transferring has just begun, but this encounter with these folks was like a month ago.

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 2):
Is this DEN base a permanent base or a satellite/temp base for cross-staffing purposes?

Honestly, I do not really know. My guess its a permenant base. There are a quite a few sCO crew living in the Front Range area.

Topic: RE: United FA Domicile/transfers Questions
Username: CONTACREW
Posted 2012-11-15 13:47:59 and read 3181 times.

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 2):
DEN base a permanent base or a satellite/temp base for cross-staffing purposes?

DEN is a satellite base for sCO FAs. All of the sCO satellite bases went "live" the beginning of October. DEN's parent base is IAH.

Topic: RE: United FA Domicile/transfers Questions
Username: AADC10
Posted 2012-11-15 14:07:48 and read 3181 times.

Quoting jetjack74 (Thread starter):
So my sister just got an interview for UA, and if she's picked and passes training, she wants to be based in NYC(Believe me, I know the deal, you go where you're sent). She noticed that UA is hiring to fill staffing for DEN and SFO.

I have heard that EWR and IAH are not accepting any new hires. The rumor is the current batch in training are going to SFO, some went to LAX not long ago and others will go to various PMUA hubs. If your sister got interviewed at IAH but was not offered a job on the spot, she is not very likely to get hired. As with many airlines, the top prospects are offered a position (pending completion of training) the day of the interview.

Topic: RE: United FA Domicile/transfers Questions
Username: speedbird0125
Posted 2012-11-15 14:15:25 and read 3179 times.

I heard that new hire FA has high chance to be based at IAH or EWR. Still your sister has a chance for EWR.
This is off topic but I just had an interview with UA/CO in Houston too. I live in LA and I applied as Japanese speaking position, and the recruiter told me that I won't be based at LAX. I have a family and everything in LA but didn't ask him anything more than that. Do any of you know that new hired Japanese/Korean speaking FA has more chance to be based at LAX or SFO? EWR could be the worst case to relocate.

[Edited 2012-11-15 14:17:57]

Topic: RE: United FA Domicile/transfers Questions
Username: jetjack74
Posted 2012-11-15 14:21:30 and read 3177 times.

I have a hard time believing that EWR, as a hub would not be open for transfers if they aren't letting new hires in, but then again i'm not privy to the climate at UA. But they're all the same, the fortress hubs on the east coast should be easy as pie to transfer to.

How close are the sCO and the sUA FAs to integration?

Topic: RE: United FA Domicile/transfers Questions
Username: speedbird0125
Posted 2012-11-15 14:24:21 and read 3177 times.

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 8):
I have a hard time believing that EWR, as a hub would not be open for transfers if they aren't letting new hires in, but then again i'm not privy to the climate at UA. But they're all the same, the fortress hubs on the east coast should be easy as pie to transfer to.

How close are the sCO and the sUA FAs to integration?
I'm not sure about that but the recruiter told us that there will be new uniform around next Feb or Mar and both side of new UA will wear same uniform. By then, many past or both side will be integrated. I might be wrong and please correct me if someone knows better.


[Edited 2012-11-15 14:27:33]

Topic: RE: United FA Domicile/transfers Questions
Username: speedbird0125
Posted 2012-11-15 14:28:58 and read 3177 times.

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 8):
I have a hard time believing that EWR, as a hub would not be open for transfers if they aren't letting new hires in, but then again i'm not privy to the climate at UA. But they're all the same, the fortress hubs on the east coast should be easy as pie to transfer to.

How close are the sCO and the sUA FAs to integration?

I'm not sure about that but the recruiter told us that there will be the new uniform around next Feb or Mar and both side of new UA will wear same uniform. By then, many past or both side will be integrated. I might be wrong and please correct me if someone knows better.

Topic: RE: United FA Domicile/transfers Questions
Username: Roseflyer
Posted 2012-11-15 14:31:19 and read 3179 times.

I am not completely certain this is true, but I’ve heard of rumblings.

United has separate contracts and working groups for the Pre Merger UA and Pre Merger CO airplanes. There is a shortage of crew from the PMCO airplanes because the airline is taking deliveries of new airplanes under the Continental Certificate, which need flight attendants under the PMCO contract. The airline has been shifting 737NG operations to DEN and SFO from IAH. For that reason, they need more crew in DEN and SFO that work under the CO contract. With the moving of airplanes, PMUA flight attendants are needed more and more out of IAH and EWR.

Your sister is being caught in a strange merger integration triangle. Although SFO and DEN aren’t expanding their number of flights, they have a shortage of flight attendants. EWR on the other hand does not have a shortage on the PMCO side since PMUA airplanes are showing up more frequently at the airport. The airline is trying to get flight attendants under the CO contract to move to DEN and SFO and out of EWR and IAH.

Chances for EWR or IAH are slim right now. Your sister would be based out of a PMUA hub and flying on PMCO airplanes. There is a good side. A very junior PMCO flight attendant can hold lines out of SFO and DEN that would require 10+ years of seniority to get if she was under the PMUA contract.

Topic: RE: United FA Domicile/transfers Questions
Username: CONTACREW
Posted 2012-11-15 14:32:40 and read 3179 times.

Quoting speedbird0125 (Reply 7):
I heard that new hire FA has high chance to be based at IAH or EWR. Still your sister has a chance for EWR.
This is off topic but I just had an interview with UA/CO in Houston too. I live in LA and I applied as Japanese speaking position, and the recruiter told me that I won't be based at LAX. I have a family and everything in LA but didn't ask him anything more than that. Do any of you know that new hired Japanese/Korean speaking FA has more chance to be based at LAX or SFO? EWR could be the worst case to relocate.

If you are interviewing for a speaker position then you would either be based in Houston or Newark as that's where the japanese speakers for the sCO side of UA are based. When the hiring picked back up a few months ago all new hires were being sent to the 5 satellite bases.

Topic: RE: United FA Domicile/transfers Questions
Username: speedbird0125
Posted 2012-11-15 14:36:27 and read 3177 times.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 11):
I am not completely certain this is true, but I’ve heard of rumblings.

United has separate contracts and working groups for the Pre Merger UA and Pre Merger CO airplanes. There is a shortage of crew from the PMCO airplanes because the airline is taking deliveries of new airplanes under the Continental Certificate, which need flight attendants under the PMCO contract. The airline has been shifting 737NG operations to DEN and SFO from IAH. For that reason, they need more crew in DEN and SFO that work under the CO contract. With the moving of airplanes, PMUA flight attendants are needed more and more out of IAH and EWR.

Your sister is being caught in a strange merger integration triangle. Although SFO and DEN aren’t expanding their number of flights, they have a shortage of flight attendants. EWR on the other hand does not have a shortage on the PMCO side since PMUA airplanes are showing up more frequently at the airport. The airline is trying to get flight attendants under the CO contract to move to DEN and SFO and out of EWR and IAH.

Chances for EWR or IAH are slim right now. Your sister would be based out of a PMUA hub and flying on PMCO airplanes. There is a good side. A very junior PMCO flight attendant can hold lines out of SFO and DEN that would require 10+ years of seniority to get if she was under the PMUA contract.

Hi Roseflyer. Do you know anything about the base for second language speaking FA (Japanese and Korean) that was interviewed in Houston this month? Is there any chance to be based in LAX? If not, what about SFO or DEN as you posted above?

Topic: RE: United FA Domicile/transfers Questions
Username: speedbird0125
Posted 2012-11-15 14:39:56 and read 3177 times.

Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 12):
If you are interviewing for a speaker position then you would either be based in Houston or Newark as that's where the japanese speakers for the sCO side of UA are based. When the hiring picked back up a few months ago all new hires were being sent to the 5 satellite bases.

Really? So there's zero chance for LAX or even SFO? Once bilingual FA get hired, do you know how their schedule will be like? Will they often fly to Japan or Korea, or fly random domestic routes? Is it possible to commute from LA?
Sorry for asking too many questions.

Topic: RE: United FA Domicile/transfers Questions
Username: CONTACREW
Posted 2012-11-15 14:41:04 and read 3177 times.

Quoting speedbird0125 (Reply 13):
Do you know anything about the base for second language speaking FA (Japanese and Korean) that was interviewed in Houston this month? Is there any chance to be based in LAX? If not, what about SFO or DEN as you posted above?

Nope all speakers FAs being hired by the sCO side of the airline are being sent to Houston or Newark. The 5 satellite bases are for only domestic flights only. For example once we on the sCO side takeover LAX - NRT this trip will be flown out of the HTA (Houston International) FA base. Pairing will go IAH - LAX - NRT - LAX - IAH. Also on the flights between LAX - IAH, IAH - LAX the speaker positions will be considered deadheads.

[Edited 2012-11-15 14:43:50]

Topic: RE: United FA Domicile/transfers Questions
Username: CONTACREW
Posted 2012-11-15 14:42:55 and read 3177 times.

Quoting speedbird0125 (Reply 14):
Really? So there's zero chance for LAX or even SFO? Once bilingual FA get hired, do you know how their schedule will be like? Will they often fly to Japan or Korea, or fly random domestic routes? Is it possible to commute from LA?
Sorry for asking too many questions.

If you are interviewing for a speaker position, then yes there would be zero chance in you getting LAX or SFO, as all speaker FAs working on the sCO side are either Houston or Newark based.

Topic: RE: United FA Domicile/transfers Questions
Username: speedbird0125
Posted 2012-11-15 14:44:34 and read 3179 times.

Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 15):
Nope all speakers FAs being hired by the sCO side of the airline are being sent to Houston or Newark. The 5 satellite bases are for only domestic flights only. For example once we on the sCO side takeover LAX - NRT this trip will be flown out of the HTA (Houston International) FA base. Pairing will go IAH - LAX - NRT - LAX - IAH.

Thank you for your answer. I bet IAH would be my best scenario.

Topic: RE: United FA Domicile/transfers Questions
Username: quiet1
Posted 2012-11-15 15:10:37 and read 3177 times.

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 6):
The rumor is the current batch in training are going to SFO, some went to LAX not long ago and others will go to various PMUA hubs.

Forget any new-hire going to any sUA domicile. A new voluntary furlough was just announced, and sUA can't add new F/As while there is a furlough. If you meant the new sCO (apparently satellite?) domiciles which are at the same location as sUA domiciles, that's a horse of a slightly different color.

[edited to add:]
Oops. I see that you said PMUA hubs, which *would* include sCO domiciles at the same location as sUA domiciles. Sorry!

[Edited 2012-11-15 15:17:32]

Topic: RE: United FA Domicile/transfers Questions
Username: AADC10
Posted 2012-11-15 15:44:48 and read 3179 times.

Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 15):
Nope all speakers FAs being hired by the sCO side of the airline are being sent to Houston or Newark.

That no longer appears to be true. New foreign language speaking CO FAs are already based at LAX and some are headed to SFO, unless their language capability is not being utilized.

Quoting speedbird0125 (Reply 14):
Really? So there's zero chance for LAX or even SFO? Once bilingual FA get hired, do you know how their schedule will be like? Will they often fly to Japan or Korea, or fly random domestic routes? Is it possible to commute from LA?

A bunch of new hires are showing up at LAX and SFO. CO seems to be starting the bases sequentially and sending nearly all new recruits to whatever base was just opened. As with all new hires, they will be on reserve and must be able to report to the base airport within two hours of being called.

Integration of the UA and CO FAs is years away. If it was going to happen anytime soon, CO would not be bothering to set up bases at all of the PMUA hubs.

Topic: RE: United FA Domicile/transfers Questions
Username: as739x
Posted 2012-11-15 15:57:30 and read 3177 times.

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 6):
I have heard that EWR and IAH are not accepting any new hires. The rumor is the current batch in training are going to SFO,

Correct. The SFO sub-CO staffing is very low and there is a huge amount of new hires here. My wife is less the 1 year seniority and is holding a line here. She has also worked multiple trips being the most senior in-flight member.

Topic: RE: United FA Domicile/transfers Questions
Username: 777ord
Posted 2012-11-20 12:42:00 and read 3177 times.

Last week I had the "honor" of being more senior than any other employee on the plane, minus the CAPT giving IOE to the FO. I have one year seniority, and the FA's had been on the line for TWO WEEKS (post training).

First, they were all gorgeous, which certainly makes traveling way nicer than the tatty old grungey FA's we're all acustomed to!

BUT, they were ALL SFO. SFO LAX, DEN are all being staffed up as we continue our integration. ORD is pretty full, EWR and IAH always need more, but are staffed ok right now.

Expect an a S-CO 757 hub in the near future. (BOTH pilot/FA)


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