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Topic: Location Of Life Vest On FlyDubai 737-800?
Username: flyingdoc787
Posted 2012-11-01 21:32:26 and read 5570 times.

I just watched the safety video of FlyDubai for its 737-800, and was surprised to hear that the life vests are located "in a panel above your head", except for the first row, where it is located under the seat. Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLm1ccPrPiM

I checked out other airlines' safety videos for their 737-800's, and couldn't find any other airline with that location for the life vests. I've known life vests to be located under the seat, in between seats, or in a compartment in the armrest, but overhead? Anybody know if this is the case on any other airline/aircraft type?

Thanks.

Topic: RE: Location Of Life Vest On FlyDubai 737-800?
Username: Dogbreath
Posted 2012-11-02 01:56:11 and read 5520 times.

Yep. The majority of Ryanair aircraft have their life vests in a panel above each seat row.

I believe the main reasons for having them located in the overhead panel is:

1. Helps prevent passengers from stealing the lifevests. Yep! You'd be surprised what people will do. The underseat life vests are just sitting in a small pouch and easy for pax to remove and take away. The overhead location makes it more difficult for pax to access without drawing suspicion from other pax and cabin crew.

2. The old underseat pouch is also a safety problem. Easy for terrorists to place items in the pouch with the life vest. During the security checks (which a LCC may have to complete up to 8 times a day) the life vest must be removed and the pouch checked so that some asshole hasn't placed any rubbish, or at worst a device that might be of a security or safety issue.

3. The overhead location for the life vests makes it extremely easy for the cabin crew to inspect that the required life vests are installed. Just look above each seat row, and see the 3 red dots in the panel. Much easier than leaning down below each seat and inspecting each pouch (as mentioned above).

Topic: RE: Location Of Life Vest On FlyDubai 737-800?
Username: HAWK21M
Posted 2012-11-02 01:57:49 and read 5520 times.

The newer B737s out here utilize the Overhead panel location.

Topic: RE: Location Of Life Vest On FlyDubai 737-800?
Username: Starlionblue
Posted 2012-11-02 03:05:59 and read 5507 times.

Quoting Dogbreath (Reply 1):
2. The old underseat pouch is also a safety problem. Easy for terrorists to place items in the pouch with the life vest. During the security checks (which a LCC may have to complete up to 8 times a day) the life vest must be removed and the pouch checked so that some asshole hasn't placed any rubbish, or at worst a device that might be of a security or safety issue.

Many installations now use a closed "pod" with a security seal to make inspection easier.

Topic: RE: Location Of Life Vest On FlyDubai 737-800?
Username: JAGflyer
Posted 2012-11-02 03:42:59 and read 5493 times.

Sorry to go off-topic but what are the women in that video wearing on their face/mouth? It looks like a muzzle of some sort?!

Topic: RE: Location Of Life Vest On FlyDubai 737-800?
Username: Vimanav
Posted 2012-11-02 09:42:37 and read 5432 times.

Its called a batoola. I its part of traditional wear for Arab women but used less frequently these days.

Topic: RE: Location Of Life Vest On FlyDubai 737-800?
Username: Fabo
Posted 2012-11-02 19:01:46 and read 5322 times.

Wow. Never seen that before.

One would have thought it is some kind of face-protecting armor from Greek times...

Topic: RE: Location Of Life Vest On FlyDubai 737-800?
Username: aerdingus
Posted 2012-11-03 03:51:08 and read 5237 times.

Quoting flyingdoc787 (Thread starter):
Anybody know if this is the case on any other airline/aircraft type?

FR aircraft of a certain vintage (DAX - DCX) all have the lifejackets under the seats.

Newer aircraft have the lifejackets under the seats in row 1 & 2, & the rest of the cabin has them in the over head panel.

Topic: RE: Location Of Life Vest On FlyDubai 737-800?
Username: Quokkas
Posted 2012-11-03 10:12:27 and read 5170 times.

Is there any advantage in the vest being in an overhead panel in the "unlikely event" of a water landing? Does it make it easier for passengers to access them and speed up an evacuation?

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 4):
but what are the women in that video wearing on their face/mouth?

You can still see this being worn in the Gulf States, and is an alternative to the niq'ab or burqa. Some can be quite ornate, featuring gold and other decorative features. I imagine that they would be a bit cooler to wear than a complete face covering. They do have the benefit of helping to keep flies out of your mouth.  

[Edited 2012-11-03 10:12:57]

Topic: RE: Location Of Life Vest On FlyDubai 737-800?
Username: HAWK21M
Posted 2012-11-04 12:07:12 and read 5016 times.

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 8):
Does it make it easier for passengers to access them and speed up an evacuation?

Overhead is def easily to access as visible unlike the underseat pouch which takes extra effort to view.

Topic: RE: Location Of Life Vest On FlyDubai 737-800?
Username: Markhkg
Posted 2012-11-04 12:26:10 and read 5012 times.

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 8):
Is there any advantage in the vest being in an overhead panel in the "unlikely event" of a water landing? Does it make it easier for passengers to access them and speed up an evacuation?

It can also be hard to physically reach the lifejacket when it is under the seat.

In the NTSB report for US Airways 1549, it states, "Overall, 19 passengers physically attempted to obtain a life vest from under a seat, and 10 of these passengers reported difficulties retrieving it. Of those 10 passengers, only 3 were persistent enough to eventually obtain the life vest; the other 7 either retrieved a flotation seat cushion or abandoned the idea of retrieving flotation equipment altogether."

http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/reports/2010/AAR1003.pdf

Topic: RE: Location Of Life Vest On FlyDubai 737-800?
Username: aerdingus
Posted 2012-11-05 03:50:29 and read 4891 times.

Quoting Markhkg (Reply 10):
In the NTSB report for US Airways 1549, it states, "Overall, 19 passengers physically attempted to obtain a life vest from under a seat, and 10 of these passengers reported difficulties retrieving it. Of those 10 passengers, only 3 were persistent enough to eventually obtain the life vest; the other 7 either retrieved a flotation seat cushion or abandoned the idea of retrieving flotation equipment altogether."

Wow, that is really scary, I thought the underseat lifejackets were much easier to grab!   

Topic: RE: Location Of Life Vest On FlyDubai 737-800?
Username: Kaiarahi
Posted 2012-11-05 09:21:24 and read 4891 times.

Quoting aerdingus (Reply 11):
I thought the underseat lifejackets were much easier to grab!

Not if you're a "person of size".

Topic: RE: Location Of Life Vest On FlyDubai 737-800?
Username: HAWK21M
Posted 2012-11-21 00:13:50 and read 4879 times.

Quoting aerdingus (Reply 11):

Wow, that is really scary, I thought the underseat lifejackets were much easier to grab!

Visually Inspecting the under seat location is tougher than the Overhead location.


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