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User currently offlineAsteriskceo From United States of America, joined May 2004, 467 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1200 times:

How come a DP (SID) has not been created by the FAA for the LGB runway 30 obstacle procedure? Clearance delivery seems to spend a lot of time reading the DP, why not have it as a chart? It would save so much time.

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User currently offlinePropjock04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1132 times:

The FAA doesn't put obstacle DPs in chart form (at least that I've ever seen). The controllers don't have to read you the entire dp...only if you request it. But from what I've found, most controllers read off the obstacle dps just to make sure the pilots know what to do. You run into this quite often at EMT and POC. When reading a pilot a clearance, the controller only has to say "cleared to ____ via the LGB runway 30 obstacle dp..." because the pilots are required to have a the written description with them on board. I hope this helps...

Michael


User currently offlineAsteriskceo From United States of America, joined May 2004, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 970 times:

Quoting Propjock04 (Reply 1):
The FAA doesn't put obstacle DPs in chart form

Doesn't PSP have an obstacle procedure chart?


User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2806 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 912 times:

What's a typical clearance at LGB entail?

User currently offlineJeff G From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 436 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 882 times:

IIRC, it's climb on runway heading until reaching 1500 feet, then turn left to another heading, maintain 3000 feet. If you're going north, then it's a 270 heading. If east, it's a 180 heading. And yes, I've also wondered why this isn't a published DP. "Cleared via the Long Beach 2 departure, east transition (or whatever), then as filed, maintain 3000, squawk 1234." Much easier.

User currently offlineAsteriskceo From United States of America, joined May 2004, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 849 times:

Quoting Jeff G (Reply 4):
"Cleared via the Long Beach 2 departure, east transition (or whatever), then as filed, maintain 3000, squawk 1234." Much easier.

Exactly.
Long Beach Airport is a very busy airport. Although airline traffic is pretty light, the VFR and other IFR departures are not. Reading the obstacle procedure seems like a waiste of time and just hogs the radio.

Who would I write to address the issue?


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