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No. Of Pilots On CO's 757s Trans Atlantic

Macmac76 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 234 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3082 times:

Does CO carry a third pilot on its 757's on its transatlantic runs? If so, where is the pilot rest seat located? Thanks in advance!

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BMAbound From Sweden, joined Nov 2003, 660 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3008 times:

I would imagine there's only two (?) Don't pilots have a on duty time limit of 12 hrs, giving them 2 hrs before takeoff and after landing? Should be enough.

Allright, a lotta guesses here... Smile

johan

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Spoke2Spoke From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 2937 times:

I would venture to guess that these flights on occasion have a full second flight crew on-board to be in position for a return flight. With a 12 hour limit (maybe 13?), it doesn't sound like those crews do out-and-backs.

Therefore, a return crew needs to be put in position, obviously the first time and perhaps also when cancellations occur and aircraft stack up on the other side of the pond.

Spokes

...carelessness and overconfidence are usually far more dangerous than deliberately accepted risks. - Wilbur Wright

Calpilot From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 995 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2897 times:

CO flights that exceed scheduled block times greater than 8hours, crew with a third Type rated F/O.

The crew rest seat is a Business First seat.

Pairings to and from Europe are built with one, two, or sometimes four day layovers.

Flymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 6298 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2734 times:

How long is the flight? I would imagine that the flight might have two extra pilots if it is 9 hours or more. But maybe not. I think for Landing and takeoff the extra pilot would be in the jump seat.

"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)

Max Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3293 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2712 times:

Over 8 hrs requires one relief pilot, over 12 requires two. No CAL 75/6 flight requires more than one relief pilot.

The best contribution to safety is a competent Pilot.

Calpilot From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 995 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2686 times:

Flymia what, I answered the question. No not 9hours, over 8 hours requires a third pilot, period.

Why confuse people with the wrong information if you don't know?

Rick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2698 times:

Remember those limits apply to the FAA (US Operations). Over here in the UK we have quite different rules and rarely require additional crewmembers for flights to and from the USA (apart from West Coast destinations where 1 relief pilot is carried).

The worst I used to do was a 767-300 UK to Cancun, Mexico, which was about 10h 30m flight time depending on the wind and over 11h 30m on duty. Perfectly legal with just the two of us up front under UK ops.

In fact it was a lot easier than a MAN-TFS-MAN which was a similar total duty time, since with CUN you got a beach for a week at the end of it!

I used to love the smell of Jet-A in the morning...

Cory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2617 times:

When I flew EWR-PVR in April on CO (~6 hours each way), we had a relief pilot in F in both directions due to the length of the roundtrip with only a ~1 hour turnaround.

CO2BGR From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 558 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2381 times:

OSL is the only current destination that carries a 3rd pilot year round. LIS has carried a seasonal 3rd pilot (in the winter when the winds are stronger). ARN, TXL,and HAM will have third pilots year round when they are started. BRS may have a seasonal third pilot as well.

The relief pilot rides over (dead head) to europe without relieving the pilots on the redeye when the pilots could use the break, and then relieves the pilots on the return in the daytime when the pilots dont really need the break. FCO is the only destination that the 3rd pilot works on both legs.

There are too many self indulgent weiners in this town with too much bloody money" Randal Raines- Gone in 60 Seconds

Max Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3293 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2023 times:

Actually I find I need the break far more on the return flight than going over, which, unless it is a very late departure is just a late night, arriving by 2-4 am est, conversely coming back in the 'daytime' you can be getting up at 1 30 in the morning in your time zone and facing a long flight home in your physiologically lowest state of the 24hrs after questionable sleep.

The best contribution to safety is a competent Pilot.

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