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Airline Pilots... Logo Light On/off?  
User currently offlineBrodieBrazil From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 88 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5497 times:

Just wondering at what point do you turn on the light that illuminates the tail logo...

Also for pilots who don't like to turn them on, what is the reasoning?

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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8968 posts, RR: 76
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5415 times:
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hi Brodie,

we (LH) switch them on during the night, when we are on the Ground and climbing. Af about FL100 we switch off landing lights and runway turnoff lights and also the logo light. And during approach we turn on all those lights again passing FL100. The logo light only by night...

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User currently offlineTbanger From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 266 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5366 times:

A lot of operators disable them because the lamp is often located on the top or bottom of the hori-stab. That thing usually shakes itself to bits......well not quite, but it often causes lamps to blow frequently. Especially on turboprops.





User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5082 times:

i usually ask them to turn them on around dusk if they don't have it on so that i can actually see the startup diamond that i have to push them to.

other than that. it's up to the company as to when to put them on. it's in the ops specs.



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User currently offlineMr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2787 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4867 times:

Hi guys.

Sometimes there are very late arrivals into Toronto Intl Airport (YYZ) that you can't help but notice if you're awake at 2:00 to 3:00 am (and are listening to a scanner Big grin).

When this happens (I guess these flights have delayed departures, etc), I can't help but wonder about noise complaints from people who live beside the airport, and I have even entertained the thought of.............

Do the pilots of these late arrivals ever turn off their logo lights once on final, or even consider doing so, to avoid public noise complaints from being aimed directly at their airline? (I live to far away to see their tails late at night).

I know a flight crew has more important things on their minds than noise complaints during final approach, but I've still wondered about this.  Laugh out loud


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User currently offlineRNOcommctr From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 827 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4721 times:

A related question-- when did logo lights come into popular use? I don't seem to remember them before the early 90's or so. Maybe I just didn't notice.


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User currently offlineRamper@IAH From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 240 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4654 times:

Some airlines don't even have logo lights installed - like American. The logo lights are entirely optional, I'm not aware of any policies that require them to be illuminated at night. Sometimes pilots turn them off just because they're pissed at their company for some reason or another - like when in stalled contract negotiations. Why give free advertising to the company you're mad at?

User currently offlineAvt007 From Canada, joined Jul 2000, 2132 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4629 times:

Logo light observations from a bored AME- Dash 8 logolights are mounted on the bottom of the horizontal stab and are quite reliable. I hardly changed any during my time on that type. F28s- we had a fleet of 30 at CRA, and they came from all over the world, with a big spread in age. Some had no logo lights. Some had them, hardwired to be on whenever power was on the aircraft. Some had a switch in the cockpit, and some had a switch at the forward F/A position! So there is no set policy or rule. more of whatever the operator wants.

User currently offlinePhilsquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4599 times:

Varies by operator. At SQ, it's turned on descending through 10,000 (FL100 if applicable) and off climbing out past 10,000.

User currently offlineDc10hound From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 463 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4415 times:

And sometimes operation is completely automatic, (if they are selected on):

When I'm at my house near BWI, and the Aer Lingus A330 departs from runway 28, while making the turn to a heading of 150, and climbing through an altitude of maybe 3000 feet, the logo light turns off. I swear, I could watch that plane for a week, and at the same spot in the sky, the light will turn off. Does anyone know if they can be set to turn off at a certain altitude?

Actually, this operation is not directly related to a certain altitude. On the A300-605R, the logo lights automatically turn off when the aircraft is in the air mode and the slats are retracted (before the AAL logo lights were deactivated). I imagine that slat retraction occurs at roughly the same point during departure. The lights will come on again during approach when the slats are extended.

Exterior compartment lights (wheel wells, APU compartment) operate the same way if they are left on by MX.

Should be the same on the A330...

(See more discussion at the link below)

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1785600/6/




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User currently offlineAAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3466 posts, RR: 47
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4375 times:

Some airlines don't even have logo lights installed - like American.

Actually some of our airplanes have logo lights (all 737s for example) and some do not (most MD80s for example). In either case, if installed the systems have been deactivated (once again) to save maintenance costs (third time in my AA career this has happened).



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User currently offlineBrodieBrazil From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4366 times:

if installed the systems have been deactivated (once again) to save maintenance costs

sad in these days that such a nominal cost takes away from the pride of coming into town with your tail logo illuminated


User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4200 times:

Logo lights are not mandatory. As mentioned above I think many airlines didn't have the logo lights installed or they won't replace it when the bulbs blow. Generally I see this trend on American carriers but european and especially asian carriers and Qantas usually are quite proud of their tails!


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User currently offlineBa299 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4109 times:

Here at BA the logo lights are switched on during all the ground time during dark hours as we are proud of our tails. In such airport for security reasons they must be turned off. Looking at the MEL the logo light are a category D so the maintenance interval are 120 days.



User currently offlineConvair990 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4086 times:

Ba299: At BA Are the MEL for components both inside and outside? From what I'm learning, the CDL (Configuration Deviation List) here generally lists the outside "go-no go" parts.

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User currently offlineAJ From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 2386 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4020 times:

Our logo lights can be a deferred defect, our MEL allows 10 days for their repair.

Qantas SOP is logo lights on at night below 10,000' and when transiting Afgan airspace.


User currently offline10MID From Singapore, joined Aug 2004, 198 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3991 times:

At my company, we choose not to use logo lights at night as a sign of solidarity, since we are in contract negotiations. Sometimes we'll see one taxiing around with the lights on and will gently remind him on the radio. The other night at IAD, 2 us were in the run-up block waiting for release and the other had their logo lights on. A third company plane taxiied by and started flashing their logo lights on as a signal to the other.

User currently offlineDen-hnl From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3862 times:

Why give free advertising to the company you're mad at?
Maybe because the carrier paid for/leased the aircraft?  Insane



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User currently offlineBa299 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3814 times:

Convair990: yes the logo lights (as all the others lights) are listed in the MEL.

User currently offlineVC-10 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 1999, 3700 posts, RR: 34
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3808 times:
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when did logo lights come into popular use?

We were fitting them to 707's in the mid 70's.

Airbus Logo lts are controlled by Ldg Gr & Flap position. On if legs compressed or Flaps greater than 15 Degrees


User currently offlineFlyingColours From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2315 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3473 times:

Well logo lights do have a few advantages, one of which is that on a dark night the controller can see you on the ground if you are heading the wrong way.

I can't think of any existing UK jet operator which doesn't have the logo lights on as much as posisble. I know the charters definitly have them on.

Phil
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User currently offlineAv757 From Colombia, joined Apr 2004, 660 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3378 times:
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At my company AV, we as pilots stopped turning logo lights on when Alianza Summa's horrible and ugly new livery of the butterfly was painted on the tails of all of our fleet.

We hope to see a new AV livery soon, when that happens we shall proudly illuminate or tails once more.

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User currently offlineMr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2787 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3371 times:

Hi guys.

>> Av757, I see what you mean ............ Yuck!

The tail logo is to dainty.



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User currently offlineAv757 From Colombia, joined Apr 2004, 660 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3382 times:
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We hope to see something like this soon after our 85 year celebration on Dec 5, 2004 with some red included!!!!

We shall then once more turn on our logo lights to show off the Condor of The Andes on our tail feathers proudly.


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