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User currently offlineVio From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1446 posts, RR: 10
Posted (10 years 1 month 3 days ago) and read 8503 times:

Hi,

Maybe some time in the future I would like to bring a friend and a videocamera up flying to get some nice shots. I was wondering how I would be able to record the ATC, since "engine noise" throughout the entire video wouldn't be that great.
Mind you, this would most likely be a peronal camera, so nothing fancy. What sort of connecting wires do I need? Is there such thing? or would I have to imporvise and have a small mike that can fit in side the headset of the passenger?

Thanks


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User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8431 times:

You will need:

A recording device with an aux input.
The proper cable.

Connect one end of the cable to a headset jack, connect the other end to the recording device. Push "record".



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User currently offlineGeoffm From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2111 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8393 times:

...but be aware that such recording is illegal in many countries without authority. Don't know about Canada though. The chances of anybody knowing are pretty slim, and chances of you being convicted for it even slimmer, but just so you are aware.

Geoff M.


User currently offlineVio From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1446 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8364 times:

Illegal???

REALLY???

Since when? So you're saying that if you make a private home video of your flight and have the ATC recorded to that, that's illegal? Based on what grounds? and if so, how can media get away with it?

Regards,

Vio



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User currently offlinePHLapproach From Philippines, joined Mar 2004, 1247 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8313 times:

No it's not illegal in the slightest bit, what you want is an Aux imput for your video camera and a 8th inch to 8th inch cable. It's like your basic plug for CD player headphones, only that plug is on each end. Good Luck

User currently offlineGeoffm From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2111 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8288 times:

Yes, REALLY! Best check your facts first before you diss anyone, in case you look silly afterwards. Here's a link:
http://www.strongsignals.net/access/content/laws.html. See the external link at the bottom for US as well. This is not a legal document, just an incomplete summary of what is and isn't allowed using a scanner.

I left a bit out of my original post: that is "record and retransmit", in other words broadcasting a recording of ATC may well fall foul of point number 1 (in the link above) for Canada.

It depends on yours, or more appropriately, the authorities interpretation of the law.

Geoff M.


User currently offlineVio From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1446 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8261 times:

Geoffm,

I didn't DISS anybody. I was just shocked that it would be illegal  Smile

Thanks for the info mate.

I appreciate it

Cheers

Vio



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User currently offlineAvt007 From Canada, joined Jul 2000, 2132 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8250 times:

I recall back in the darkages when I took my exam for a radio operators licence, that we were told that it was illegal to record and retransmit, or act upon any information gained by listening in to radio conversations. If you just want to do it for yourself, no problem.

User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8218 times:

well i do know that its legal here in the US.


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User currently offlineVneplus5 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8211 times:

Whoa! Give it a rest, guys.

Nobody cares if you record it or not, or if it's illegal or not. Vio just wants to get some audio on his private flying video. It's no big deal.


Meanwhile, back on planet Earth.....

The way to do it, is to buy a mini-electret microphone from your local electronics shop. Connect it to a standard lead, if it doesn't already have one, with a standard audio plug at the end. That goes into the audio-in socket on the video camera.

Then put the microphone inside the ear-cup of your headset. It works very well with active noise cancelling headsets but it's fine with passive ones too.

You will have to do some experimenting with recording levels, but it's far easier to deal with that than to mess around with getting a direct feed from the aircraft's own intercom.

There, you get ATC, intercom, and everything else you would want, minus the engine noise.


Next trick: For communications failure, or when you want to tell someone to "look up and wave!", the same method can be used with your mobile phone.

Put the earpiece of the hands-free kit in your ear, under the ear cup of the headset, together with the hands-free microphone, and then talk normally  Wink/being sarcastic but remember not to press the PTT button!

It works surprisingly well and doesn't affect the ability to communicate on the radio.

Now for communications failure you can calmly look up the phone number of the ATSU you were supposed to be talking to and explain the situation with them instead of ... well can you remember what to do? when the heat is on?


(If you are thinking of telling me that this is illegal too, please save your breath).


User currently offlineAvt007 From Canada, joined Jul 2000, 2132 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8194 times:

Vne, relax, we`re just bored. Nobody really cares if he does it or not.  Smile Tech/ops isn't the most active forum some days.............

User currently offlineVio From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1446 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8172 times:

Vneplus5,

Thanks mate. When you're in Canada, I'll buy you a beer  Smile (or when I'm in the UK)

Appreciate the imput. That was something I was thinking too. cheap and effective.  Smile

Thanks again,

Cheers,

Vio



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User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8170 times:

Sorry, I've got to disagree, strongly, with putting a mic inside your headset. Sure it will work, but it's not even close to the best way to do it. You want to plug into the intercom, not grab it with a mic.

Just buy an adapter cable and plug it into one of the headset jacks. Simple, easy, you don't have to screw around with changing recording levels, you won't have a mic moving around, and the sound quality will be much better.

You won't have any background noise either, while you would with the mic method.

[Edited 2004-11-19 06:24:44]


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User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6206 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8128 times:

well, King Schools does it all the time on their videos, so it's probably ok...


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