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What Does It Take To Start An Airline?  
User currently offlineCOAMiG29 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 515 posts, RR: 2
Posted (10 years 4 days ago) and read 8580 times:

I know this would be very far out but the thought crossed my mind earlier today when i was taking a final exam. What would it take to save 1 or 2 of each type of plane in the god forsaken arizona desert restore them and fly them on a regular basis. How cool would an A.net airline be that flys only salvaged a/c

--COAMiG29--


If Continental had a hub at DFW with nonstop flights I would always fly them, unfortunantely good things take time.
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User currently offlineEspion007 From Denmark, joined Dec 2003, 1691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8530 times:

1. Lots of money
2. Lots of investors
3. Lots of connections
4. Lots of luck



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User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8461 times:

5. A good business plan

User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4858 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8457 times:
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Your idea eh? I think not! I proposed a similar idea in a recent discussion! HA HA!  Big grin


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User currently offlineSchooner From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8442 times:

And not forgetting:

6. Lots of money!



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User currently offlineKaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8415 times:

Well, first of all you will need to get the aircraft into a flyable state on location in the desert. Then you have to get it to hangar. Where you will be required to overhaul it to the most recent check package.

If its been in the desert for a number of years, you can guarentee it will be overdue a C Check. Maybe even a D check. This will cost you a few million dollars and a crap load of time in the hangar. I think current D checks can take near 20 days to complete on a 24hr shift basis...




Whoever said "laughter is the best medicine" never had Gonorrhea
User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8421 times:

The big problem that you face is the business plan. One might presume that passengers buying tickets are the main support of conventional airlines. Your problem is that airline passengers are about the least romantic people out there. They want only three things out of an airline:

1. Cheap
2. Allows them to show up at departure time but still gets them to destination on time.
3. Cheap

Passengers who are the big revenue source in this industry are not in love with flying. Most of them hate flying. They are just in a hurry to get to Cleveland. Most of them don't even want to be aware that they are in an airplane. They want to think of it as a long narrow movie theater that serves booze. They especially don't want to think they are on board an old airplane.

So where is your cashflow coming from? Museum-goers? I love to spend hours in a good museum but I don't want to be two thousand miles from my car when I come out.

No, I think maybe it is up to private enthusiasts to keep them alive. What we need is a hundred John Travoltas.

Or maybe not.



Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8216 times:

The most common killer of new airlines - lack of capital. Never underestimate just how much money it takes, up front.

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8198 times:

A few Important ones :-

A lot of Money.
Good Management.
Effective Workforce.
Luck.
Good Lobby with Govt.
Good Strategy or Plan.

regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineWhiskeyflyer From Ireland, joined May 2002, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8189 times:

Money, luck and an ego the size of Texas.

I work very closely with an airline owner and you should see him talk to a bank manager (he'd be real scary selling second hand cars as he could sell you anything). You need unbelivable coinfindence and will power to run an airline.

Also cash flow can look good on the business plan but you must build up reserves for planned (eg maintenance checks) and unplaned events (e.g. bird takes out your engine, pilot does hard landing and buckles your plane, US decides to put on of your destinations on the do not visit list, dollars crashes and your contract signed in dollars, fuel price goes up, SARS hits asia etc etc etc) I know you can get insurance but it costs and you may await pay out.

2% return is considered good for an airline....... why bother if you have a lot of money put it in the bank and you'll at least get that return.

As the old boys say

IF YOU CAN FLOAT IT, FLY IT OR F*** IT, LEASE IT


User currently offline10MID From Singapore, joined Aug 2004, 198 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8162 times:

Not forgetting a desire to give away all your money.

User currently offlineAeroWeanie From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1610 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8096 times:
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The best way to make a small fortune in aviation is to start with a large fortune.

User currently offlineTravelplus From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7993 times:

Oh and be sure you won't get put out of business by WN. You need to find some tatics that will get people to your airline. For instance Free Direct TV or Free PTVs with headsets,free alcohol like Horizon Airlines. You need to ask yourself questions like Why will people fly my airline? Who is my clients business people,leisure or both?,What aircrafts should I use?(Boeing 777,Airbus 340,380 for longhauls and transcontinental).If you use the Boeing 777 for all US flights over 900 miles you will increase the comfort for your passengers,have entertainment,be be able to fly more passengers at one time. For short haul you could use a 737 or Airbus 320. But be sure you can let the passengers select their seats. Oh and also you could have an option where the passenger pays more and gets a first class meal even in coach. In F/C this meal is included but if the passenger in coach wants the F/C meal he or she will pay but the food will be high quality served on nice plates etc. You see even in coach a good meal is important from a nutrition point of view. Any unappetizing chicken will go to waste.

Also the business plan is very important. Without a plan you'r company will go into Chapter 11 before you can say"I'm the President of such and such an airline".

I want to own my own airline. And yes I have thought about so many approaches and it's tough. But the main thing now it's a dream not reality because of the crises of the other airlines. Dream on and I hope your dreams will come true and that you will have an airline that makes profit.

Good luck Smile.


User currently offlineAviation From Australia, joined Dec 2004, 1143 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7950 times:

I think bottom line would be cool but never going to happen and I think I speak for all when I say everyone on this site's dream would be to own their own airline but 99.999999999999999999999999999999999% of the time not going to happen! Am I right fellas

Thanks,
Aaron J Nicoli



Signed, Aaron Nicoli - Trans World Airlines Collector
User currently offlineRaginMav From United States of America, joined May 2004, 376 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7942 times:

A couple months ago I met a guy that helped start an airline (they fly a PC-12 BFF-LBF-GRI-LNK-OMA and back a couple times a day), he was kind of the guy that knew all the rich people who funded the thing.

He said the hardest/most expensive part was getting (and now maintaining) a part 121 certificate, that and getting the essential air service grant and subsidization that they wouldn't make a profit without.


User currently offlineAlphafloor From Chile, joined Jun 2004, 1277 posts, RR: 40
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7861 times:

If you are a billionaire and want to become a millionaire... then start your own airline !  Big grin


Whatever
User currently offlineWing From Turkey, joined Oct 2000, 1575 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7852 times:

I know this would be very far out but the thought crossed my mind earlier today when i was taking a final exam.

Excuse me this should be out of topic but what did you get from your final exam while you were thinking about starting airline instead of writing the answers?Man I just get out from a history final exam two hour ago and hell I only had enough time to finish all the questions let alone dreaming about anything else.



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