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Effect Of Smoke On Engines  
User currently offlineFlyingNanook From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 830 posts, RR: 10
Posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4388 times:

This summer, interior Alaska was plagued with wildfires which caused Fairbanks to be covered in dense smoke for several months. On many days, there was significant ashfall. I remember that most of the planes (especially the 732's) were much louder than normal when taking off in the smoke.

I was wondering what effect smoke and ashfall has on jet engines and any other parts of a plane.

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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4339 times:

I know ash is very bad for the engines, and would probably shut them down if the plane flew through a thick cloud of it. I assume this is one of the reasons planes were routed away from Mt. St. Helens when it recently was showing volcanic activity.

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User currently offlineMeister808 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 974 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4308 times:

Well, smoke is particulate pollution, essentially, which isn't really a big deal. I don't think there are any significant performance issues that would arise in smoky air, unless it is really really bad, in which case there could be a drop in power if there wasn't enough oxygen to combust the fuel. All told, though, there shouldn't be issues with that. There might be some dirt buildup of some sort inside the engine or other abrasion, but still... not a big deal I don't believe.

As for volcanic ash, that is a whole different story. Since that is little bits of rock, there are serious damage issues with abrasion, because it is kind of like sanding down the inside of the engine. In addition, the ash can become hot enough in the engine that it will liquefy, and then you essentially have volcanic magma floating around in the engine, which can lead to a buildup of rock in there, which causes the engine to stop running altogether. It's as if someone had poured concrete into the engine, essentially.


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User currently offlineSinlock From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1692 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4033 times:

Meister808 pretty much nailed it right on the head.

To answer the secondary question. Yes the smoke would make aircraft sound louder, because the sound waves are reverberating of the smoke particals (or the water in Fog).
The same kind of thing happens when an airport is covered by an overcast sky.

A simmiler effect can with air masses that are diffrent tempatures, ever notice how jet aircraft sound louder on cold days. (Might not mean much being that you live in alaska)

User currently offlineA/c train From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 501 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 4020 times:

the main problem with ash or just dirty air is that if it gets too much it begins too build up on the blades and it will spoil the airflow, this can lead too stall/surge.

User currently offlineAt502B From South Africa, joined Dec 2004, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 4038 times:

Flying through smoke- ie: firebombing- has a significant effect on Turbine engine performance. I'm no expert on this but talking to several fire Tanker pilots they prefer an old radial engine in thick smoke- supposedly turbine engines have a bad habit of loosing power or flaming out in thick smoke. Although I'm not familiar with any accidents caused by this- the general opinion is to fly as close to the smoke as possible but don't get buried in it!

I love the smell of jet fuel in the morning.
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