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Cabin Air Refresh Rates  
User currently offlinePlaneSmart From New Zealand, joined Dec 2004, 1382 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4855 times:

If cabin air was replaced as frequently as in the 70's to mid 80's, (partly because smoking was permitted back then), bleedless engines wouldn't be viable, as the power req'd to heat incoming air for cabin use would be too great. As cabin air standards are currently set so low, bleedless is possible.

What is the maximum cabin refresh rate the 7e7 is going to be capable of at 30,000 feet versus 777, 767, 757, 747, A32, A33, A38, MD11?

How will 7e7 operators raise the refresh rate if a higher standard is demanded / req'd by customers and/or the World Health Organisation?

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User currently offlineJetMechMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 380 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4794 times:

There is no difference between the rate the cabin air was "replaced" in the 70s. and 80s. The same aircraft are in service, with the same packs, recirculation fans, and out-flow valves. They are operated the same way they always have been. The goal is to pressurize the cabin, and heat it to a comfortable level. That's it. Nothing has changed. I can not answer your other questions about the 7E7's rate, or WHO standards. Sorry.

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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 66
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4789 times:

Great! Disease runs rampant all over the globe. In parts of Africa, AIDS is more common than electricity and WHO decides to set standards for airliner cabin air.

What a useless bunch of fops!

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User currently offlineJetMechMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 380 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4775 times:


If you were not already on my rec list, after that comment I would be adding you. Thanks for the laugh. Big grin

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User currently offlineDalmd88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2769 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4748 times:

The current rate of air refresh is actually very high. Somewhere I read a report from Boeing detailing the 767 system. The air exchange rate actually exceeds the rate for an infectious desease area of a hospital. I'll bet the 7e7 will still have a similar rate.

User currently offlineSchooner From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4745 times:

The refresh rate is much better than that which you would get in an office.


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User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3724 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4704 times:
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According to Boeing, the norm on most Boeing aircraft is 50% recirculated and 50% fresh air. I say, "most Boeing aircraft," because the 717 is 100% fresh air. Also current cabin air systems circulate enough air to replenish the whole cabin every 2-3 minutes. This is way better than the air exchange rate in an air-conditioned building. More info can be found here:


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31808 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4714 times:

The B732 I remember correctly did not have Recirculating Fans,so the Air was 100% Fresh bleed extracted Air.Later versions did come up with One or Two Recirculating fans & so the percentage of Recirculated Air Increased.
However Present Day Aircraft have a refresh rate thats adequate,With no Smoking on board,things are more better.

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