2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8950 posts, RR: 62 Posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7773 times:
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I ran across this approach...a DME arc with stepdowns enroute, terminating at the runway:
I've never seen anything like this...is this the only airport with such an approach? If not, what other airports use it? I suppose it could be an examiner's dream or a student's nightmare.....
Pilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3082 posts, RR: 12 Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7725 times:
DME Arc approaches aren't too uncommon. There are quite a few of them in the midwest at airports that don't have a navigational aid nearby. They aren't very difficult to fly. The only downfall to them is that they get a little lengthy if flying the full procedure.
Meister808 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 972 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7673 times:
Yeah, I haven't seen one like that before. Not too hard, just requires some thinking. Of course the Missed is pretty insane. I have never ever seen a DME arc to the Missed Holding Point. Adding to the nerves is the fact that a screwup on this one garners you an escort.
-Meister
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Raivavae From France, joined Jul 2001, 82 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7533 times:
a real weird procedure indeed!
Not very precise, as on an Arc DME you're doing very well if you're+/- 0.1NM, and you're permitted up to +/-0.5NM, lucky you are if you see the runway!
Meister808 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 972 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7506 times:
How well do DME Arc procedures work in an FMS? I know in the Garmin GNS 430/530 GPS units, all you have to do is load the procedure and everything is in there - it will even change the course in for the CDI so that you just keep the needle centered all the way around and it will get you there.
-Meister
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XFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3952 posts, RR: 36 Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7503 times:
Whoa! That missed approach is pretty crazy. That is definitely an examiner's dream. Never seen anything like that approach either.
With an FMS or Garmin..that stuff is freaking easy though, haha.
Ianatstn From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 577 posts, RR: 4 Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7481 times:
Without the aid of a FMC/FMS, how difficult is a DME arc approach to perform? Can anyone give me some tips, as I will try to recreate this approach in my flight simulator.
Flyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7473 times:
Ianatstn,
DME arcs may look intimidating at first but after some practice, they are not tough at all....just another instrument procedure. The thing that would make this approach difficult for most instrument pilots is that I'd guess many of them have never seen anything like it before. I personally have never shot an approach like this one either. But, if you're on top of things for arcs and are instrument current/proficient, it would just take a few minutes on the ground looking it over beforehand and a good briefing to be able to easily fly it.
Pilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3082 posts, RR: 12 Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7438 times:
I don't know which I'd like less, botching that one up and driving the plane into a hill, or driving it into one of those restricted areas.
DeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7439 times:
Out of curiosiry, I just loaded it into my MD-88 FMS practice software...on the STAR pages for KBWI, they only had ILS and DME approaches for Rw 15L...I loade the DME one, and it took you right to the IAF, SLOAF, then on down to the runway...didn't look to different, but then again, it didn't have this particular DME Arc approach in there, so looks like you'd have to put it in/fly it manually.
TheGreatChecko From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1110 posts, RR: 3 Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7431 times:
Thats one of my favorite approaches!!!!
It honestly isnt too bad to do, you just descend instead of holding your altitude (I kinda like DME archs!). Though ive never flown a DME arch in MS Flight Sim, its probably harder to do than there in a Frasca
For those trying to recreate it, just download the chart from the FAA:
Raivavae From France, joined Jul 2001, 82 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7428 times:
arc dme approaches are quite common in France, but only for initial approaches, then it ends to a classical vor radial in the axis of the runway. I have never seen an arc dme up to threshold!!!! Go around procedures seems not too crazy for me!
10MID From Singapore, joined Aug 2004, 198 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7423 times:
Haven't seen an approach with an arc that is the entire approach, but many Mexican airports have arcs with stepdowns. Of course, those lead to a straight final approach course.
2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8950 posts, RR: 62 Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7288 times:
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If any of you can find any particularly odd approaches that would rival this one, go ahead and post them here. It would be interesting to see what everyone can come up with.
2H4
P.S. - FSPilot747...are you by any chance a UM Flyers member?
FSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 14 Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7264 times:
2H4, nah I'm doing my Comm. out of Aviation-Center, next door to UMFlyers. Are you in Ann Arbor?
Efohdee From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 214 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7246 times:
The arc is the final approach course! Most DME arcs transition to a final like an ILS. This one is just an arc to the MAP. Also the only final approach that is not straight!
Sabenapilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 2697 posts, RR: 49 Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7176 times:
I must say the approach itself is indeed a bit weird, since it does not offer a straight final, but then again, a DME arc is not more complicated to fly than tracking an NDB really, so it shouldn't pose a big problem to any pilot...
Comming to look at it, it even seems a nice approach to fly!
Does that missed approach look complicated???
Then you better don't come to France, because what you see depicted on the chart (i.e. follow a DME arc to enter a holding over a waypoint) is a rather common missed approach procedure at French airports (even mayor ones)!
26 DeltaGuy: Almost looks like those Japenese cartoons that give you siezures I had *some* of it figgured out, it took a good brief from another a.net member to he
27 XFSUgimpLB41X: Greetings from that other a.net member.... Flyf15 sent it to me... took me a while to figure it out...its kinda pointless all the different turns..id
28 2H4: its kinda pointless all the different turns Perhaps it was created to spite the local NIMBYs. 2H4
29 Regional757: 2HK, i was looking hard and i just got the approach. i was looking and i was like "where's the runway?". now i get it. that is a weird approach. the m
30 Woodreau: I guess I'll take a stab at it and yall can tell me if I got it wrong. If you do the 15DME arc or do the approach from holding at TASMAN then the appr
34 Corey07850: "Hmmmm..." It just looks like a visual approach where the pilot was able to make a "short approach". Instead of making a long, drawn-out, squared off
35 Hmmmm...: Thanks for your explanation, Corey07850. I'm sorry the moderators disconnected the video feed that I piped right into the thread. So here is a link fo
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