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User currently offlineN612ua From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2409 times:


Question about APU's. What all do they power while the plane is on the ground?

Thanks

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User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2401 times:

Just a guess...... lights, ovens, coolers, all instruments in the cockpit, toilet flusher. Anything that needs power in the cabin is run off of the APU.


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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6118 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2388 times:

The APU can provide enough power to run the aircraft on the ground, as well as act as a second generator in flight. On top of that, it also provide pnuematic bleed air for air conditioning and engine starts.


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User currently offlineMtnmanmakalu From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2378 times:

And the most important thing the APU powers is the Air pressure for the water on a DC-9 so I can have my coffee at 0-dark:30 on my originator out of some wonderful, wicked tundra city such as Fargo, Duluth, Minot, etc.,etc.......  Smile




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User currently offlineN612ua From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2350 times:


Ok thanks a lot Does the GPU do the same thing as the APU expect using ground power?

Thanks again


User currently offlineMtnmanmakalu From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2342 times:

If I remember correctly from my Aviation class years ago, the GPU provides electricity only- It can't provide bleed air, A/C air, or air for my precious morning Java!!!!

mtnman  Smile



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User currently offlineWbmech From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2344 times:

Electrically, yes. A GPU does not supply any pneumatics like an APU.

User currently offlineN243NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1640 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2287 times:

As mentioned above, the GPU only provides elecrical power for the aircraft. If you need air, you use an air start cart, often referred to as a "huffer." Most airports provide air conditioning ducts that lead from the gate to the plane, not to mention electrical connections as well, so usually a GPU isn't needed.
-N243NW Big thumbs up



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User currently offlineN612ua From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2228 times:

ok thanks alot was not sure what all each of them were for.

Thanks mike


User currently offlineAvioniker From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 1109 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2204 times:

Let's not forget the venerable old "-60" GPU. There's still a bunch of them in use.
It was, among other types, a GTCP 85 on wheels. That's air as well as electricity.



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User currently offlinePhilsquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2201 times:

Just a point of clarification, all APUs are not certified for inflight operation. Some are certified for inflight operation, but can't be started in flight.

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2097 times:

What all do they power while the plane is on the ground
APUs supply Pneumatics used for Engine Starting,AirConditioning.
Electricals via Generators for Lights,Galley Equipment etc & anything operated Electrically on the Aircraft.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 807 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2061 times:

Philsquares - Just a point of clarification, all APUs are not certified for inflight operation. Some are certified for inflight operation, but can't be started in flight.

That sentence makes no sense. First you say "all APU's are not certified for inflight operation." Then you say "Some are certified for inflight operation, but can't be started in flight". So if it can't be started or used in flight, how could it be used in flight in come cases?



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User currently offlinePhilsquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2055 times:

Makes sense to me.

For example on the 747 some APUs can not be used in flight. Simple enough, the 727 is also like that.

On some later 747s and the 747-400, the APU can be used in flight, but not started in flight. That makes sense to me. It would be used in high temp/pressure altitude takeoffs at high gross weight where you need all the engine performance you can get. You would take off with the APU on and it would provide bleed air to the air conditioning. After takeoff, the engine bleeds would be turned on and the APU would be turned off.

Please go back and read what I wrote again. You will find it makes a lot of sense.


User currently offlineSanthosh From India, joined Sep 2001, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2004 times:

When the engine produces enough power and also runs the Generator producing electrical energy why do they need to use the APU in flight? In what all conditions does pilots use APU in flight? Also which all aircraft are certified to use APU’s in-flight.

Thanx
George



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User currently offlinePhilsquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2002 times:

The engines are also used to produce bleed air which powers the air conditioning system which in turn pressurizes the aircraft, in addition to other uses.

ON extremely critical takeoffs the there are performance charts for a "packs off" take off, which in the 400 has the APU providing bleed air for the a/c. The use of the APU for takeoff provides about 1500lbs/thrust/engine.

As far as individual a/c that can use their APUs in flight, are you talking about starting in flight or just use? All the new generation twins can start and operate the APUs inflight. Don't know about the 340, the 400 can operate in flight, but not start. Some of the 747s can depending if the operator has modified the APU inlet door.


User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6118 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1997 times:

If a generator on an engine is deferred, the APU must be on and running in flight. There are restrictions as well, like the plane can not go above X altitude (which is usually in the 20-30,000 foot range.)


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User currently offlinePhilsquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1996 times:

Goldenshield,

Not on the 744....you can be dispatched with both the APU inop and a generator inop....


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1994 times:

When the engine produces enough power and also runs the Generator producing electrical energy why do they need to use the APU in flight? In what all conditions does pilots use APU in flight? Also which all aircraft are certified to use APU’s in-flight.

In case of Malfunctioning Engine Gen on one Engine,The APU Gen can provide the Electrical supply to the required bus.
APU in flight is used for providing alternate Electrical source as explained above.
On B737,APU can supply Electricals.
APU Can supply only Pneumatics [Alt limited]
APU can supply Pneumatics & Electricals [Alt limited]

BTW...George,Procured a DVD Writer & I tried both DVDs & they are working fine,Thanks.

regds
MEL



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User currently offline747NUT From Australia, joined Sep 2004, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1970 times:

In what all conditions does pilots use APU in flight? Also which all aircraft are certified to use APU’s in-flight.

For ETOPS aircraft the APU needs to be operational for dispatch, this refers to twin aircraft. If one generator fails, the APU will be started and the APU generator used for powering the failed bus.



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User currently offlineSanthosh From India, joined Sep 2001, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1954 times:

Thanx for the information on APU usage.

BTW...George,Procured a DVD Writer & I tried both DVDs & they are working fine,Thanks.

Mel I am more than happy to hear that from you.Have a gr8 time and enjoy

Regards,
George



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