SlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3215 times:
They fluctuate widely. They are a certain amount "per thousand" which is the airport's rate muliplied by the airplane's "maximum certificated landing gross weight" in thousands of pounds. For example a B-737-300 MLGW is 114,000 lbs. An A-320 is 142,200 lbs. So if the landing fee was $1.55 a thousand then a 737 would cost you $176.70 and the Airbus would be $220.41 each landing.
Twenty years ago, when I was paying the bills for one flight op, the spread was something like this: Very small town airports where the fire department had to be called out from town the rate might have been around a dollar a thousand. The low, at the time in our area of operations was LAX at $.67 and the highest was RNO at $2.17 per thousand.
I have no idea what they are now. In setting up charter operations I used two documents.
The AOPA Airport Directory gave me good data on airport managers's phone number, FBOs on the field, fuel vendors etc.
The Airport Facility Directory (the green book) published with NOS instrument flying pubs gave me ARFF status, and wheel load bearing capability.
These were my first two stops. Next step was to call the airport manager. His office will tell you the current landing fee. They will also tell you if large airplanes must be handled by a tenant airline through the terminal etc.
No idea how landing fees have fluctuated in the last twenty years but last I heard, the manager of my local airport was paid more than the combined salaries of the governors of the five adjoining states! The airports of America are absolutely awash in money, so be prepared for some sticker shock.
When you get some current numbers I'd be interested in hearing them.
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Elwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3201 times:
Thanks for the info. I've found some interesting information for small airports. For example:
Dryden Regional Airport (Ontario, Canada):
Under 21,000kg: $2.95 Domestic, $5.05 International (per 1,000kg)
21,000-45,000kg: $3.80 Domestic, $6.50 Int'l
Over 45,000kg: $4.45 Dom, $7.55 Int'l
Min Fee (domestic): $10.30
Min Fee (int'l): $17.50
Unfortunately, there is very little information available online about larger airports (at least, that I have found), and very little of what is available online is about US airports.
What little I've found comes from a Atlanta Business Chronicle article from Sept 22, 2003. Apparently, at the time, JFK was charging $5.25 per 1,000lbs, Dallas $2.23 per 1000lbs, and Atlanta had contractual agreements running from $0.46 to $0.93 per 1000lbs. So it is quite varied. I guess a good rule of thumb would be about $2.25 per 100lbs, but that's not based on anything close to a represenative sample...
Again, thanks for pointing me in the right direction!
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Laxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24893 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2899 times:
In addition landing fees can vary upon the type of airline operations.
For instance some airport charge differently for cargo versus passengers operations. I know some charge differently for a schedules flight (published in the OAG) versus a non scheduled passenger flight.
In addition some airports have different rates within the same category. For instance at some large US airports, the larger passenger airlines might pay a different rate then an international airline which only has a single daily flight. Part of the reason for this is that the larger airline is part of a long term facility leases which provide preferential landing fee rates.
Also do not forget about parking fees, and per passenger facility fees. These can also vary widely from not just airport to airport, however terminal to terminal at the same airport.
Lastly in to plane fuel fees can vary widely also even on the same airport. Depending on who's facility you might be parked at, are you a member of the consortium, whom your vendor might be etc...
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Pilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3149 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2903 times:
Quoting Sleekjet (Reply 4): So airlines don't negotiate a total cost with the airport that covers all their landings? I guess the airport wouldn't be interested since it would cost them money.
At STL, the airlines have pre-arranged contract prices that I would assume are lower than the "retail" rate. Of the 121 cargo carriers we fuel, we are only responsible for billing the fees for FX. Here's a list of landings fees at STL. These are only standard MLW. Of course, some airlines fly aircraft with higher MLW.
Below 12,500 pounds the landing fee here is $7.50. Between 12,501 and 65,000 the fee is $10.00 and above 65,000 the rate is $0.00509 per pound.