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Fastest Passneger Plane?  
User currently offlineTockeyhockey From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4359 times:

what is the fastest passenger plane left in service?

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User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4331 times:

With Concorde retired the 747 is the quickest.

User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6515 posts, RR: 54
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4273 times:

With Concorde and Convair 990 retired 747 is the quickest.

At least as long as we define "passenger plane" as an airliner and exclude biz jets such as the Gulfstream V.



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User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2528 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4253 times:

I thought the fastest was the Cessna Citation X

User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8341 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4234 times:

The Citation X is the fastest passenger carrying biz jet, cruising over mach .92, but the 747 is and always has been the fastest subsonic passenger airliner. They cruise in the high 8's... .86 or .87 usually.


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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4224 times:

Can't many biz jets go above M.92, but are restricted to this speed by the FAA?

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User currently offlineMNeo From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2004, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4198 times:

Actually the Tu-144 was faster than the concode at about Mach 2.2-2.4. Currently the Ciatation X is the fastest along with other bizjets then the 744 and MD-11 come below that.


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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8341 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4185 times:

Can't many biz jets go above M.92, but are restricted to this speed by the FAA

Nope. In fact, the G-V and Challenger, for example, have a max cruise of something like mach .82.



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User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4176 times:

Can't many biz jets go above M.92, but are restricted to this speed by the FAA?
Economics, not the FAA, currently limit bizjet speeds. I believe that Dassault is working on a supersonic bizjet.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12282 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4122 times:
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The fastest passenger, non bizjet is the B744, followed by the B777
Fastest Bizjet is the Citation X


User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks ago) and read 4083 times:

Don't forget the 747 classic. That should do about .845 making it faster than the 777

User currently offlineGecko From Singapore, joined Sep 2004, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4068 times:

What about the 747SP? Wasn't it about as fast as the 744?

User currently offlineCURLYHEADBOY From Italy, joined Feb 2005, 940 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4005 times:

I remember there was a site showing pictures of ground speed records set by various airliners, i can't remembre the URL though.

Of course, we are talking about IAS here, still it was interesting seeing an A320 rocketing at 600 Kts in strong tailwind!  Smile



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User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 982 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3983 times:

curlyheadboy....i believe the website you're speaking of is groundspeedrecords.com. I was pretty upset to see the record groundspeed for a BE-76 Duchess at 182kts when I flew one at 196kts going from MSY to DAB with a wicked tailwind...and a passenger in the back who needed to take a dump!


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User currently offlineCURLYHEADBOY From Italy, joined Feb 2005, 940 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3976 times:

TinPusher007 - It wasn't that but was quite the same, thks!  Smile . Imagine to encounter a stream like that directly head-on... gotta change FL i suppose...


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User currently offlineDAL7e7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 357 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3942 times:

Wasn't the fastest airliner the Tupolev TU-144? I read somewhere that it had a top cruising speed of around Mach 2.3

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User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 982 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3883 times:

CURLYHEADBOY...I did encounter that headwind on the way to MSY...we had to stop in MOB to take on more fuel. Total time enroute was 4.5hrs. Total time enroute MSY-DAB was about 2.9 nonstop!


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User currently offlineCURLYHEADBOY From Italy, joined Feb 2005, 940 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3871 times:

TinPusher007 - Wow! Must be a real piss off to have to land for fuel due to headwind! What FL were you? What aircraft? No chance to try a different altitude i imagine...


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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4514 posts, RR: 53
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3718 times:

Nope. In fact, the G-V and Challenger, for example, have a max cruise of something like mach .82.

The G-V's max operating mach number is 0.885.

Normal cruise speed is 0.85 and its long-range cruise speed is 0.8.

I can't speak to the challenger, I only know anything about Gulfstreams.



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17118 posts, RR: 66
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3590 times:

Wasn't the fastest airliner the Tupolev TU-144? I read somewhere that it had a top cruising speed of around Mach 2.3

Around 2.3-2-4, yes. This does indeed make it the fastest airliner ever built.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3471 times:

I wonder if in future Faster travel would be an Important consideration & hopefully a Supersonic Airliner will be built.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21495 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3381 times:

HAWK21M: I wonder if in future Faster travel would be an Important consideration & hopefully a Supersonic Airliner will be built.

Everybody wants to fly supersonically... it´s just the number of people who are willing to pay enough for it that´s too small... And with further increasing fuel prices, dwindling reserves, and an ever more critical environmental situation, it would take quite a few substantial innovations on fuel production and engine technologies, combined with a strong economic situation to get supersonic travel (back) off the ground, I´m afraid...

Never say never, but it´ll be exceedingly difficult.


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17118 posts, RR: 66
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3360 times:

As Klaus says, the demand is there. I am an optimist. A hundred years ago, flying across the Atlantic was exceedingly difficult. Arguably, it was as much beyond their current capabilities as cheap and silent supersonics are beyond OUR current capabilities.


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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8341 posts, RR: 23
Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3274 times:

Normal cruise speed is 0.85 and its long-range cruise speed is 0.8.

Ah ok, I was wrong. Point is, however, most bizjets cruise around .82 or so just like the rest of the bunch.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3201 times:

it would take quite a few substantial innovations on fuel production and engine technologies, combined with a strong economic situation to get supersonic travel (back) off the ground, I´m afraid...

I really feel it would be a matter of time.The solution lies in lowering costs.
regds
MEL



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25 KC135TopBoom : Fastest passenger jets (cilivan and military, but not biz jets), maximum allowable airspeed (not maximum design airspeed). 1. TU-144 = M 2.4 2. Concor
26 HAWK21M : What would be the rankings considering the max design airspeed wise for non biz jets. regds MEL
27 Starlionblue : Citation X would go in somewhere around the KC-135A.
28 Airgeek12 : Boeing 747 by far. It of course used to be the Concorde until the SOBs shut the concorde program down!
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