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Q's About Piloting Career (in Europe)  
User currently offlineDaevosh From Spain, joined Feb 2001, 32 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1776 times:

Hi all. In some 3 monthes I will be let go of my current 9-6 employement with a good indemnization. Wife and me are considering using this 'opportunity', and our savings (that is, our home, which has revaluated quite a bit in the last years thanks to Spain's realty market) towards me doing some more education (and also getting some relaxation as stress is hurting me). A full time MBA, for example, in a good school, is one of my alternatives. But also might like to get out of the business world and stress and going for something more rewarding (to my tastes).

But I've always had an interest in the piloting career. I am a 28 years old Engineer at heart, living in Barcelona with a supporting wife and young baby, who loves technology and machines, and always thought I would make a good pilot and enjoy it. I am an EU citizen with good command of 3 EU languages. I have about 6 years of experience in corporate IT projects, healthcare sector. I know it is a bit late in life to start this career but I have a few questions in considering this. The only flying I've done has been soaring in gliders, and absolutely love it.

1. I know this is not the best site for these type of questions. Any other more pilot-centered forum where I can ask some questions, read up, ask for guidance?
2. What is the best flying school in Europe? We want to stay in Europe, we dont mind moving, and if I am going to spend my savings on this we want to up the opportunities of a good career by investing on the best schooling.
3. For Europe, do I have to fly for an airline from the country where I get my training? To live/work in another country, I would have to validate my training against that countries organizations, right? Or would my flying credential be good in countries with treaties with the country I get trained in, or in the whole EU?
4. Comments on doing this at this age, on how long it usually takes to start earning a living, etc, would be welcomed. I know the norm is to start flying regional jets or trainers, that it is usually a slow start accumulating hours. Is there any fast track option to fly with the big carriers, or with corporate? (both which seem more attractive to me than other flying). I know it is a long path, but I want to know if it takes 1 year, 3 years, etc, before at least I can make a living out of it. I dont expect to be flying long haul with a premier carrier without first doing my hours and years, but the savings will eventually run out!  Smile

Most important q at this moment is #1 to pursue more info and #2.

As you can see, I know very little about the topic, and starting to google on it this afternoon and read up to see how attractive/possible this is given my circumstances.

The other crazy option is to finish my scuba diving career (I am one step from being an instructor) and try that, which might be exiting also.

Thanks for help, opinion, tips.

Juan Miguel V.

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User currently offlineDaEvOsH From Spain, joined Feb 2001, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1644 times:

ps. already reading all threads on this forum about 'pilot careers', learning things. Just so you guys dont tell me 'search the site'!  Smile

User currently offlineDaEvOsH From Spain, joined Feb 2001, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1571 times:

So far, found a lot of info on how hard it is. Competitive, lots of challenges and difficulties. Not that I mind. Good forum:

http://www.pprune.org/

Good website:

http://www.jetcareers.com/europe.htm

Google is my friend.

User currently offlineBartiniMan From Australia, joined Jul 2001, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1434 times:

Seeing as no one has yet answered your questions, I will give it a go.

It is a long journey from your first flying lesson to flying for the Airlines.

Firstly, you would have to get your commercial license, and that takes a minimum of a year (i reckon) and a fair bit of money. After that you would need to accumulate a considerable amount of flying hours (i don't wanna guess how much is required in Europe, but in Australia you need about:
500 hours PIC, or 1500 hours First Officer time on turbine RPT operations,

see this link for QANTAS's minimum criteria
http://www.qantas.com.au/info/about/employment/pilotsDirectCriteria

What you could do once you get your commercial license is; work as an instructor or take small flying jobs e.g. scenic, banner towing etc (usually pays peanuts)

If you wanna gain your hours quickly the best way to do it is to be an instructor. Or you can also apply to the airlines for a cadetship, though again I don't know how it works in Europe.

In your position, I can only say that it would be best to work and to try to gain your licenses during your spare time. But I understand that in your current situation this could take a while.

Could someone with greater knowledge on this subject help this guy out.

BartiniMan

P.S. I was gonna mention that jetcareers website, but I see you've already found it.

User currently offlineStoney From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 199 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1361 times:

Hi

A pilot of LX told me that if you got your ATPL in Switzerland, you had trouble finding a job in Europe, no problem in the rest of the world, but a hard time in Europe. You're just as qualified, but it's got something to do with politics and Switzerland not being in the EU. I guess it will change once Switzerland starts moving towards the EU, but not before. So I guess you should try some other place than Switzerland.

AFAIK it takes a little bit more than a year to get your ATPL and costs you about 120'000 Sfr.

And for your information, here's the link to the Swiss school:

http://www.swiss-aviation-training.com

Greetz
Stoney

[Edited 2005-02-14 12:52:12]

[Edited 2005-02-14 12:52:39]


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User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 5674 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1338 times:

Well you are lucky you live in Europe. I heard you dont need to fly with the regionals first but rather just get what ever job is opened. You will also need a Class One Medical. In Europe it is a very hard 6 hour medical test. So make sure that you eyes and hearing are good and eveything. You need to pass the class one medical before you can get a job with an major airline.
Best of luck to you. As I hope to be a commercial pilot in the US. But it is more difficult to find a job in the US.


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