Bruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5089 posts, RR: 13 Posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 13935 times:
How much money do flight instructors make here in the USA? I'm talking about g/a flight instructors (certified of course). Like for example those who would work for a Flight School. What's the job market like? is it as bad as it is in other areas like for pilots? do flight insturctors work full-time?
I assume all it takes is learn to fly, get your license, and get your CFI and then you can send out resumes for a job? Flying for an airline would be fun but those job markets are incredibly tough today, so I wonder if this would be a less stressful, cheaper, faster way to work in aviation.
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FlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7533 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 13336 times:
Well I know it is much easier to get a CFI job than an airline job. But also I heard they might only make $16,000 a year. But I would not really consider a CFI job as a job you hold for your whole life. Well depends on what type of CFI job you want. But many CFI just instruct for a year or two an than go on to the airlines.
"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
Undehoulli From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 13263 times:
At school here what the instructors make depends on what courses you teach as well. As someone who hasn't graduated yet like myself, we make something like $9.36/hr no matter what you teach. If you have graduated and have your CFII, you make around $14/hr. If you have your MEI and are teaching a multi student you make something like $16, and if you are qualified to teach CFI and have an assigned CFI applicant you make around $20 an hour. You have to remember that an instructor can't fly more than 8 hrs in a 24 hr period and here at school we're limited to 10 hrs of contact (paid time) with students each day, and 50 hours in a week (unlikely sometimes with the wonderful Grand Forks weather!) Some instructors work full time (probably 5-6 students) and others are part-time (1-3 students, or so). If the weather is nice and there's lots of flying going on, it is definitely a full-time job.
Students always pay the same amount for any instructor, and it's more than the $20/hr that the instructor might get, but they have to pay for dispatch, scheduling, and all the other services associated with flying. I'd imagine that independent instructors have the ability to charge (and make) a little more - they can charge rates similar to the schools but without the cost of the school.
Raggi From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 1008 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 13206 times:
I work as an instructor, and I make 15 dollars an hour. Now remember that is when the hobbs meter is running, so a flight of say 1.4 hours on the hobbs
(and in the logbook and payroll) will take about two hours, including pre- and post lesson briefing. Some schools might charge the student with a .3 of ground instruction for that stuff, but where I work we normally don't.
If you work full time, you are gonna rack up hours quickly, about 1000 in a year. You don't do instructing for the money, you do it for the hours you are able to amass. Most instructors at least.
Plenty of jobs around, shouldn't be too hard to find a job.
ThePinnacleKid From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 745 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 13200 times:
At my univ. I believe the instructors make 13/hr regardless of level of instruction PPL/COM/ME etc... at the FBO back home in DFW area, they pay them 15/hr also regardless of instruction given.. or for ground instruction for that matter.
I hold my CFI/CFII/MEI ratings, but haven't really used them, except to sign off on some training gave to fellow instructor for high alt. and pressurization endorsements... as far as working full time. YES... you will work your tail off.. If you want -Or- you can work as little as you want, but most instructors are instructors to gain hours to eventually make the transition to the regional airlines.
On a total side note, Regional airlines here in the states are Hiring like crazy!
So Bruce, more directed response to what ya wrote:
"I assume all it takes is learn to fly, get your license, and get your CFI and then you can send out resumes for a job? Flying for an airline would be fun but those job markets are incredibly tough today, so I wonder if this would be a less stressful, cheaper, faster way to work in aviation."
Getting your CFI is a HUGE step in the rating scheme, don't waste your time with it if you want a less stressful way. The statistic I heard at the time I was getting my initial MEI (Got MEI/ then CFII/ then finished with CFI)... was that the US National pass rate on the first attempt at Initial instructor rating was 20%. And I can attest that the checkride is not a joking matter at all... it can be REALLY long. Mine was really short, 2 hour oral and 1.5 hr flight, but guy I flew with during summer had a 6 hour oral then an hour flight... worst I have heard is one girl that had her oral last 2 full 8 hour days... and they flew the third day for 2 hours.. and the other guy goin for his CFI with different examiner at the same time as me had a 4 hour oral and 2 hour flight.
BUT, if you're up for it.. Do it! It is such an awsome feeling to hold that instructor ticket, total honor and privilage and def teaches you more about piloting than the other ratings really do... as far as the prep needed for the checkride... And thats the game in aviation, Never stop trying to learn new things!
Undehoulli From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 13177 times:
Yes, FAR 61.195(a) states "Hours of training. In any 24-consecutive-hour period, a flight instructor may not conduct more than 8 hours of flight training." If I had the money I'd fly all day long, but when it comes time to giving flight training we're limited to 8 hours. This doesn't include FTD/Simulator, or briefing time. This is flight training in an aircraft. It's really only been an issue for me when I am doing cross countries, especially a night XC and then another the next morning, followed up by some local dual flights. That's a 24-hour period. I have to highlight my planner as a reminder to watch the 8 hour limitation. According to http://www.aopa.org/info/certified/fines.html the possible fine for a CFI exceeding their flight time limitation is a 90 DAY SUSPENSION!!!!!!!!!!!!
The 10 contact hour and 50-hour in a week limitation is a policy our school has. They also have duty times (we can only have 16 hours from the first scheduled activity of the day until we are done instructing/briefing/anything). After that 16 hour day, we must have 10 hours of uninterupted rest. So, if you have a full duty day (which believe me, is possible when you're a college student and flight instructor), following your rest period the following day has to begin 2 hours later than the day before.
Pilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 48
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 13176 times:
Shy flyer, it is a regulation that we can't fly for over 8 hours a day, but ive seen that get broken all the time...
In most cases, esp in Southern Florida where there is almost a saturation of pilots in the market, a flight school is not very interested in your resume/CV. They will gladly hire you, if you can show them you have committed students...yeah so it's kinda like a party... BYOS...bring your own student. It's probably the older CFI's unlike myself that can make it into more established academies of flight and be assigned students. All in All it's not a bad job, but you gotta work hard because sometimes you have students that are so damn lazy lol....dont get me started...
Weather is also a factor that limits how much money you make....
hope this helps
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2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8957 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 13171 times:
Remember, there are more places to instruct than flight schools and universities. At a flying club I belong to, the CFIs are paid $40/hr, cash. The club is nonprofit, and the instructors are technically self-employed. True, they have to deduct taxes on their own, but they come out way ahead, especially considering they can make their own schedule.
ShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 13292 times:
Undehoulli & Pilotaydin ~
Thanks for the info. I can certainly see the logic in that regulation. I've had a few lessons canceled by my CFIs because they needed some time off, but the didn't mention anything about duty time limits.