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User currently offlineCRJ200Mechanic From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 204 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4439 times:

I have seen some A/C around that have a door below the pilots windscreen and found out that it is called a Hamburger door. Can anyone tell me what it is for? I do not remember what A/C I saw it on. It was a smaller jet about a 30 seater


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User currently offlineTiger119 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4401 times:

Quoting CRJ200Mechanic (reply 0):
I have seen some A/C around that have a door below the pilots windscreen and found out that it is called a Hamburger door. Can anyone tell me what it is for? I do not remember what A/C I saw it on.


- I know on the Saab340 they use that hatch to pass paperwork back and forth between the captain and the ground crew (weight estimates, etc). I would imagine it is probably the same for most aircraft. I have never heard it called the Hamburger door. Where did you hear that?



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User currently offlineCRJ200Mechanic From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 204 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4395 times:

Quoting Tiger119 (reply 1):
I have never heard it called the Hamburger door. Where did you hear that?


I heard it from a ramp agent. It may have just been what they called it



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User currently offlineMr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2787 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4327 times:

Hi guys.

You can see the "Hamburger Door" open a bit under the Captain's left side windscreen in this photo of a Saab 340.


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[Edited 2005-02-23 10:45:39]


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User currently offlineCRJ200Mechanic From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 204 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4303 times:

Mr. Spaceman

Do you know if its actually called the hamburger door? I'm sure there has to be a technical term for it



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User currently offlineMr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2787 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4279 times:

Hello CRJ200Mechanic.

I'm not sure? It could be. Obviously it's just a nickname that's used on the ramp, and different ramps & airlines probably have different nicknames for that little door.

I ask about that little door in a topic I started over a year ago. There were some good replies with different names for that door, and I posted a cool photo of a Captain waving his hand at the camera through that door, but, do you think I can find the thread or photo??? NO!!!  Pissed

Anyhow, as Tiger119 mentioned, the door is for passing last minute paperwork without having to open the main cabin door.

Chris  Smile



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User currently offlineCRJ200Mechanic From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 204 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4212 times:

Thanks for the help. That's kinda what I figured it was for. Just wanted some reassurance. I did a topic search to see if this had been discussed before and didn't find anything. I hope I don't upset anyone


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User currently offlineTroubleshooter From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 423 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4130 times:

ATR´s have these "hamburger doors", too. I believe they are called document doors. You can see it on the picture below, located between the left side window and the AOA vane.

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User currently offlineAirplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3945 times:

On the SAAB 340, that door is often (affectionately) known as the "whiskey" door. It allows the ground crew to pass a bottle up to the pilots....

 Smile

Seriously though, its just a paperwork door. The term "hamburger door" was (again affectionately) used for the mail door on the DC-3.


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As you can imagine, anyone climbing out of this door while the engines are running can be quickly converted to hamburger.

I really don't see how the little documents doors can be compared to the original "hamburger door". Unless of course the pilot is hungry!

One other airplane that comes to mind in this dicussion is the Britten Norman Islander.


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The pilot's door becomes a "hamburger door" with the engines running. The magnetos on the left engines are actually deactivated by an interlock on the door so it shuts down if the door is opened.

[Edited 2005-02-23 14:46:40]

User currently offlineFredT From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 2185 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3788 times:

Officially, we call it the "MESSAGE DOOR PILOT-GROUND CREW".

Unofficially it's the whiskey door. 'Hamburger door' must be a take-over attempt by the PC mob.



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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3695 times:

Well it is just too bad the hamburger door was not around for the DC-9. It would have gone well with the sugar scoop, porkchops and pickle switches.

The MU-2 also had one. Small plug door down by the pilot's elbow.

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From outside - open. Small opening just below pilot's window.
Couldn't find a shot of it from inside.



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User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4200 posts, RR: 37
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3657 times:

Always heard it called the whiskey hatch... I think I kinda like hamburger door better.  Smile


Mesaba used to crank both engines and have them in feather on the saabs while they waited for the load data to be handed through the hatch. There was an incident at an outstation where the paper work got blown out of the rampers hand, she reached for it and (luckily this was all that happened) lost one or two of her fingers in the feathered prop that was rotating. Now you can see where they have #2 operating and wait for the paperwork to be handed through the hatch with the rampers clear of the airplane to fire up #1.



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User currently offlineAvt007 From Canada, joined Jul 2000, 2132 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3650 times:

The first one I saw was on the Dornier 328. I thought it was a pretty good idea!

User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3590 times:

AFAIK, the hamburger door has always referred to the DC-3's door right in front of the engine. At least thats what i was always told by maintenance at PBA when i was growing up

User currently offlineCRJ200Mechanic From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 204 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3513 times:

Quoting Avt007 (reply 12):
on the Dornier 328



That's what I saw it on! I couldn't think of the name to that damn airplane to save my life



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3471 times:

Hamburger door  Big thumbs up
I wonder what the MM calls it.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineA10WARTHOG From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3468 times:

On the 328 if I recall correctly the AMM calls it is a communication door or document door. I maybe wrong, it has been a while since I have looked at a 328 AMM.

User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3418 times:

I always heard the one on the DC-3 called a "mail door" as that is where the mail sacks went aboard. There was a compartment between the forward bulkhead of the passenger cabin and the flight deck where they were stored for flight.

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User currently offlineUndehoulli From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3392 times:

I think I remember a Mesaba pilot telling me that it's called the "Whiskey Slot" or something like that. Not too sure, It was a few years ago. Any XJ pilots able to elaborate?

User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14026 posts, RR: 62
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3383 times:

Ok, it´s years ago since I worked on a DC-3 (actually a C-47). Entering through this mail door, you´ll have the cockpit rear bulkhead to the right (front) and the electrical distribution panel with the C/Bs to the left (aft). Across the aisle is the hydraulics cabinet with the hydraulics resevoir. On our ex-military C-47, going aft you had two small rooms left and right of the aisle, the radio operator´s cabinet on the right, if I remember correctly and the navigator´s cabinet on the other side., the going aft, you´d pass a door in a bulkhead and stand in the passenger/cargo area (our plane was fitted fotparatroopers, with a steel cable for the static lines of the parachutes under the ceiling and folding canvas benches left and right).

Jan


User currently offlineAmtrosie From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3309 times:

ATR's called it a "document door". When I was working regionals we had this one kid who could always be found sleeping in the left seat around 04:00. I desperately wanted to find one of those "canned" air horns and put it in the window and let it rip..... That would have been worth every bit of damage incured, to witness the aftermath.

User currently offlinePPGMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3292 times:

Quoting FredT (reply 9):
Unofficially it's the whiskey door. 'Hamburger door' must be a take-over attempt by the PC mob.


Well as it was explained to me, by an old guy working to recondition a DC-3, anyone that tried to exit the door would become hamburger by the prop.

*shrugs* Didn't seem like a PC renaming to me, but what do I know?



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3262 times:

Does the ATR-72 have Sliding Cockpit Windows.
If so,Why the "Document" door.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineThePinnacleKid From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 725 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3256 times:

Back in the day when I was at American Eagle, we always referred to them as the "whiskey hatch" and you guys are correct in the fact it is both on the SF340s and ATR's... always would use them to pass our final load counts up to the flight deck so they could do the CG... then pre departure the infamous hand would stick out the side after they gave "remove chock" sign and we would get their final papers back and off they went... Same type of thing went on at Express Airlines I, (Pinnacle) back when I started in '01 when we still had 30+ SF340s crop dustin' the southern US.

Rumor that went along with the term "whiskey hatch" was that the term came from the early pioneering days of flying with the airlines on the CAM routes.. when getting there was more luck than skill... it went something to the affect that right before they would embark on their flight they would down a quick shot of whiskey, strap in, and go... so, it just kinda stuck...and that's the hatch where that final shot of "whiskey" is passed to the crew right before their departure... (just the rumor mill they told us to explain where term came from, anyone can elaborate or know more go for it)

-Chris



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User currently offline411A From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1826 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3249 times:

Some older piston transport aircraft had various hatches and 'doors' that acquired odd names.

One type in particular comes to mind.
On the Convair 340/440 series, on top on the engine nacelle, was the engine accessory section vent.
This vent had a spring loaded door which, when the respective engine fire pull handle was pulled, among several other actions that occured at the same time, the accessory vent door was quickly closed, due to spring/lever action.

The slang term for this door was...whacker-dacker door.

Strange...but true.


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