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A300B4,-600,A310 Differences

Ismangun From Indonesia, joined Jan 2001, 117 posts, RR: 9
Posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3395 times:

Hi guys,

I have some questions about A300B4, A300-600, and A310:

1. Do they share similar (or almost similar) systems?
2. Do they also share type commonalities (e.g. common ratings/CCQ)?

Thank you for reading this stupid question.

Cheers,

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AeroWeanie From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1601 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3357 times:

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The A300-600 and A310 lack the outboard ailerons that the A300B4 has. As the NTSB has noted, the A300-600 and A310 have greater rudder sensitivity than the A300B4. Additionally, the standard A300B4s have a three-crew member cockpit, while the A300-600 and A310 are two-crew member cockpits.

Troubleshooter From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 423 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3323 times:

The A300-600 received the same wing which was developed for the A310.

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Starlionblue From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2004, 15872 posts, RR: 66
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3296 times:

The A310 represented a major design change to the A300/A310 line, and the changes were incorporated in the A300-600

- New wing.
- Smaller, lighter fin made of composites.
- Glass cockpit.
- Some fly by wire components, IIRC the ailerons.
- Deleted outboard ailerons.
- Common pylons for the engine alternatives.
- Carbon brakes offered as standard.
- Wingtip fences from 1985.

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AeroWeanie From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1601 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3262 times:

Troubleshooter:

>The A300-600 received the same wing which was developed for the A310.

No, it didn't. The A300-600 and A300B4 share the same wing, but the -600 is missing the outboard ailerons. Wing spans are:

A300B4 44.84m (147ft 1in)
A300-600 44.84m (147ft 1in)
A310 43.89m (144ft 0in)

HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31201 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3259 times:

Is there any way to tell a A300B4 from a A300-600R from the outside,apart from the Wingtip.

regds
MEL

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JHSfan From Denmark, joined Apr 2004, 469 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3245 times:

Not long ago I came across this page about modification of airplane model kits: AMDigest
Click on Kit Modifications at the bottom. Find the line mentioning the A300B2.

Although it's about model kits, the info seems to be based on facts about the real planes and describes differences on various versions of A300/A310. Smile

In relation to reply 5 I might add that A300-600R fuselage is 2" 4' longer than A300B4. Not much really - so it may be difficult to distinguish between the two versions when it comes to the fuselage.

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Starlionblue From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2004, 15872 posts, RR: 66
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3227 times:

Is there any way to tell a A300B4 from a A300-600R from the outside,apart from the Wingtip.
regds
MEL

Very tricky. The -600 is actually longer, but only by a whooping 46 cm.

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Justplanesmart From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 694 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3144 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (reply 5):
Is there any way to tell a A300B4 from a A300-600R from the outside,apart from the Wingtip.

Yes, there is. The earlier A300's have a lenghty fairing along the top of the rear fuselage. If you look at these photos full-sized, you can easily see it.

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The -600 models do not have this fairing, but some have smaller, round ones in the same area:

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Mandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6181 posts, RR: 74
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3135 times:

Additionally, the standard A300B4s have a three-crew member cockpit, while the A300-600 and A310 are two-crew member cockpits.

There were a couple of B4s built with 2 man cockpit... Does anyone got a photo of one?

Is there any way to tell a A300B4 from a A300-600R from the outside,apart from the Wingtip.

Try the engine... Most (almost all) B4s had GE engines... and the -600s had PW and newer CF6 engines with different cowling shape than the B4s...

Mandala499

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HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31201 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3114 times:

Quoting Justplanesmart (reply 8):
The earlier A300's have a lenghty fairing along the top of the rear fuselage

What was this Fairing for.Why was it eliminated on the -600. psst

regds
MEL

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JDD1 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 94 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3063 times:

The -600 has the same rear fuselage as the A310 with the rear pressure bulkhead moved back a couple of frames. Therefore although the fuselage is only 46cms longer than the B4, in fact the -600 has two more seat rows and carries two more LD-3 containers.

The A310 and -600 have the same "glass cockpit" and fly-by-wire secondary controls ie spoilers, airbrakes, lift dumpers, slats and flaps.

They also have a carbon fibre fin and rudder and a trim tank in the tail plane.

The A310 (only) wing is new and the tip fences are different to the -600.

The two-crew B4s were sold to Garuda, Tunis Air and the charter are of Finnair whose name I can't remember. About a dozen in total.

DeltaWings From Switzerland, joined Aug 2004, 1289 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3045 times:

the A300-600 and A310 have greater rudder sensitivity than the A300B4

Wait a minute, that's not quite clear. The A300-600 is actually called the A300B4-600(R). What do you mean under the A300B4, the A300B4-100/200?

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Gkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24621 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2982 times:

As DeltaWings states, the A300-600 is actually the A300B4-600(R) Wink

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Mandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6181 posts, RR: 74
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2873 times:

2 crew B4-220 FFCC... 9 were built with JT9D engines... For Garuda...
AFAIK they're the only JT9D powered B4-200s... is that right?

still, any flight deck photos ?

Mandala499

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Jetlagged From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 2452 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2747 times:

China Airlines had 6 A300B4-220 (not FFCC). These had JT9D-59A engines

There were also 10 A300B4-120 and 4 A300B2-320 as well, with JT9D-59A engines.

Airbus designations in those days were confusing to say the least!

Regarding the A300-600, it can be either a -600 or a -600R I believe, the R denotes additional fuel tanks

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Fly707 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2674 times:

Airbus 300-B4-200 has five fuel tanks ,Airbus 300-600 has an aditional fuel tank that make it longer range than the B4-200.
Maximum T/O weight of B4-200 IS 165 TONS .
Maximum T/O weight of 300-600 is 172 Tons .

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Jetlagged From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 2452 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2592 times:

A300-600 does not have a stabiliser fuel tank, the A300-600R does.

The glass isn't half empty, or half full, it's twice as big as it needs to be.

Eilennaei From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2512 times:

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 9):

There were a couple of B4s built with 2 man cockpit... Does anyone got a photo of one?

Yes we do.
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Garuda From Indonesia, joined Nov 2000, 584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2433 times:

Apart from Garuda with 9 A300B4-220FFCCs, Karair (Finnair subsidiary) did operate 2 A330-203FFCCs. I'm not sure whether Tunis Air's A300s were FFCCs though...

HAWK21M,
The fairing in the first generation A300 host the ADF antenna

JA