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What Could Have Damaged This Aircraft?  
User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1823 posts, RR: 4
Posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3009 times:


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The rudder is torn and there are those funny spots on the fuselage, what could have caused such a damage ?

Could it have been a parachutist as the photographer jokes ? Highly unlikely, in my view.


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User currently offlineMr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2787 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2977 times:

Hello DIJKKIJK.

Perhaps, as the photographer mentioned .......

"If that was made by a parachutist, then I wouldn't want to be in his place"

........ it was a parachutist that hit the rudder.

It wouldn't be the first time. I've read a few (only a few), NTSB reports about midair collisions between GA aircraft and a skydiver. The last one I read about involved a Piper Cherokee I belive, which landed safely with half of it's horizontal stabilizer missing!

The funny spots you mentioned appear to me to be simply caused by relative airflow - while flying - peeling away the paint.

I guess the carrier - Sotip - can't aford a new paint job! Big grin

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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2931 times:

Very Unlikely to be a Parachuter caused.
Looks like this Aircraft was damaged by a Vehicle & probably stored in a hangar partially exposing the tail area.
The Marks look like Bird residue.If you see the Area aft where the paint peels off does not have this residue.
Just my thought.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineMr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2787 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2873 times:

Hello HAWK21M.

You stated ..........

"Very Unlikely to be a Parachuter caused."

Well, it does look like damage that would be caused by the Convair accidentally being pushed by a tug into something or by a vehicle (such as a de-icing machine), etc, etc, but, I figured that the remarks by the photographer were more likely based on his actual knowledge of the incident instead of a hypothetical scenario involving someone hanging from a parachute.

Why would the photographer mention a parachutist for no reason? I wonder?

Anyhow, I agree with you about the bird droppings. I thought of that at first, but then I thought ...."what the heck are those birds eating that would cause their droppings to melt through paint!?" Those marks also look like mold.

The photographer mentioned ...."I guess this won't be flying anymore."

I disagree. Why not? A rudder can be fixed. But then again, if the company can't afford a paint job, they probably can't afford to fix the rudder, etc! Big grin Poor airplane!  Sad

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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2873 times:

If that was done by a collision with a skydiver, the Convair must have been backing up.

Damage to trailing edge = overtake.



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14140 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2839 times:

Bird droppings (especially the ones of pidgeons) are quite corrosiveon paint (just leave your car for a few months under a tree inhabited by pidgeons).
The damage looks to me as if somebody wasn´t carefull enough with a maintenence stand or cherrypicker, or the plane got hit by either a horizontal stabiliser or wing leading egde of a bigger plane (hangar rash?).

Jan


User currently offlineMr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2787 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2836 times:

Hello SlamClick.

Well said. Big grin That makes perfect sense. How could a parachutist damage the trailing edge of an airborne aircraft? My mind is not in gear I guess.  Silly

I was thinking .... maybe a skydiver did hit the Convair's rudder while he/she was landing ..... when the aircraft was parked on a ramp. Just a thought (I'm giving the photographer the "benefit of the doubt" ... I think).

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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2826 times:

Quoting Mr Spaceman (Reply 3):
The photographer mentioned ...."I guess this won't be flying anymore."

I disagree too.
The repair is not major.Unless the owner was not keen on repairing it.

Qoute"I guess this won't be flying anymore. If that was made by a parachutist, then I wouldn't want to be in his place..."
Could be Interpreted by the rudder damage to this Aircraft was while it was stationary & the Parathutist collided with it.
But still I guess We'll never know,Unless we contact the Photographer.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2815 times:

Quoting Mr Spaceman (Reply 6):
maybe a skydiver did hit the Convair's rudder while he/she was landing ..... when the aircraft was parked on a ramp

Truth is, I never considered that. It does occasionally happen. I saw a bunch of Marine paratroopers land among the parked aircraft at Navy Pensacola once.



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User currently offlineMr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2787 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2803 times:

Hi SlamClick.

Ouch!

I've seen some members of the Canadian Armed Forces' skydiving team (called the Canadian Reds) land on roof tops and in trees during airshows. Even the pro's can be taken by surprise by Mother Nature.


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User currently offlineMr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2787 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2775 times:

Hi guys.

Regarding the Canadian Armed Forces' skydiving team .... they're called the "SkyHawks", not the Canadian Reds. Sorry, I'm getting tired.

PS, it's to bad the edit function is gone! Thus this post.

Chris  Smile



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2755 times:

I'm going with MD11. Looking at other pics of the same aircraft it has been sitting abandoned for several years. Looking at the other photos you can see the amount of 'damage' increasing over the years...and as birddroppings are highlt corrosive, I'm going with that.


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