Mr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2780 posts, RR: 15 Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2382 times:
Perhaps, as the photographer mentioned .......
"If that was made by a parachutist, then I wouldn't want to be in his place"
........ it was a parachutist that hit the rudder.
It wouldn't be the first time. I've read a few (only a few), NTSB reports about midair collisions between GA aircraft and a skydiver. The last one I read about involved a Piper Cherokee I belive, which landed safely with half of it's horizontal stabilizer missing!
The funny spots you mentioned appear to me to be simply caused by relative airflow - while flying - peeling away the paint.
I guess the carrier - Sotip - can't aford a new paint job!
HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31201 posts, RR: 58 Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2336 times:
Very Unlikely to be a Parachuter caused.
Looks like this Aircraft was damaged by a Vehicle & probably stored in a hangar partially exposing the tail area.
The Marks look like Bird residue.If you see the Area aft where the paint peels off does not have this residue.
Just my thought.
Mr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2780 posts, RR: 15 Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2278 times:
You stated ..........
"Very Unlikely to be a Parachuter caused."
Well, it does look like damage that would be caused by the Convair accidentally being pushed by a tug into something or by a vehicle (such as a de-icing machine), etc, etc, but, I figured that the remarks by the photographer were more likely based on his actual knowledge of the incident instead of a hypothetical scenario involving someone hanging from a parachute.
Why would the photographer mention a parachutist for no reason? I wonder?
Anyhow, I agree with you about the bird droppings. I thought of that at first, but then I thought ...."what the heck are those birds eating that would cause their droppings to melt through paint!?" Those marks also look like mold.
The photographer mentioned ...."I guess this won't be flying anymore."
I disagree. Why not? A rudder can be fixed. But then again, if the company can't afford a paint job, they probably can't afford to fix the rudder, etc! Poor airplane!
MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13342 posts, RR: 64 Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2244 times:
Bird droppings (especially the ones of pidgeons) are quite corrosiveon paint (just leave your car for a few months under a tree inhabited by pidgeons).
The damage looks to me as if somebody wasn´t carefull enough with a maintenence stand or cherrypicker, or the plane got hit by either a horizontal stabiliser or wing leading egde of a bigger plane (hangar rash?).
Mr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2780 posts, RR: 15 Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2241 times:
Well said. That makes perfect sense. How could a parachutist damage the trailing edge of an airborne aircraft? My mind is not in gear I guess.
I was thinking .... maybe a skydiver did hit the Convair's rudder while he/she was landing ..... when the aircraft was parked on a ramp. Just a thought (I'm giving the photographer the "benefit of the doubt" ... I think).
HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31201 posts, RR: 58 Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2231 times:
Quoting Mr Spaceman (Reply 3): The photographer mentioned ...."I guess this won't be flying anymore."
I disagree too.
The repair is not major.Unless the owner was not keen on repairing it.
Qoute"I guess this won't be flying anymore. If that was made by a parachutist, then I wouldn't want to be in his place..."
Could be Interpreted by the rudder damage to this Aircraft was while it was stationary & the Parathutist collided with it.
But still I guess We'll never know,Unless we contact the Photographer.
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9286 posts, RR: 13 Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2160 times:
I'm going with MD11. Looking at other pics of the same aircraft it has been sitting abandoned for several years. Looking at the other photos you can see the amount of 'damage' increasing over the years...and as birddroppings are highlt corrosive, I'm going with that.
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