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First Flight On Katana Saturday, What Do I Need?  
User currently offlineKay From France, joined Mar 2002, 1884 posts, RR: 3
Posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3307 times:

I have a checkride with an instructor on Saturday to get a rating for the Diamond Katana DV-20 light two-seater.

http://www.aerotrade.ru/Images/new/da20_100.jpg

It might take several sessions because of the following:

- I haven't flown a plane since Spetember 2004.
- I have never flown a stick-controlled plane (only Cessna 152's and 172's, which have a yoke).
- I have never flown a constant speed propeller plane.

Apart from making my instructor fully aware of all this, what do I need to do/know to make my first flight easier?

I thought of this for now:
- Get and read the User's Manual for the Katana, learn all the speeds and flap settings by heart.
- Get a copy of the Katana checklist and get over it many times by myself.
- Study the chart and maps of Wiener Neustadt, the airport (LOAN).

What else do I need to think of?

Kay

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User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2525 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3245 times:

A) perhaps you should go up in the plane a few times before the checkride
B) perhaps you should learn about the constant speed prop before the checkride... It's really something you need instruction on, not something you can just read about and take a checkride on


User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3236 times:

Unless they do things very different in Austria, it's not a checkride, it's just training until the instructor feels you're capable to do it on your own.

You'll get used to a stick pretty quickly.

Are you sure it's a constant speed prop? I thought the Katana was a basic trainer. If it is constant speed, are you sure it's controllable? If it's not then you have nothing to worry about, you'll just have to manage power with manifold pressure rather than rpms.



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User currently offlineKay From France, joined Mar 2002, 1884 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3235 times:

That is what my former flight school used to tell me (constant speed prop needs learning). I even thought that it was categorized as "complex airplane". I am sure this instructor will tell me the same regarding having to practice. If it will take more, then so be it.

But my license doesn't need to be "complex" like I thought (if there is such a thing).

I am sure the plane I will fly has a constant speed prop that I will need to control because my colleague flies it and does so. What he does is pretty simple though, he just brings back the prop a bit for cruise (till pressure = 24)and full-in again for landing. Not that I shouldn't or don't know the principle behind this prop.

However, it seems the plane has no mixture, and a fuel pump that will need constant fiddling with: on before take-off, off for cruise, on before climb or descent...

Kay

[Edited 2005-04-21 17:58:53]

User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3219 times:

Well it's at least not complex, because it doesn't have retractable landing gear. Unless of course the definintion of complex is different over there...


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User currently offlineWoodreau From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1011 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3191 times:

The aircraft is very slick as it has a glider background, so it does not like to slow down so as you get closer to landing. So any extra speed you carried in a 152 or 172, will be harder to get rid of in a Katana.

I don't think the Katana's have constant speed props, at least the ones in the US don't, I don't know about Austria.

And sticks aren't hard to get used to...

I thought it was harder getting used to taxiing using differential braking for steering control as there is no nosewheel steering.

Anyways it's a fun plane to fly, you'll enjoying flying it. I was able to get about 170kts groundspeed in a Katana when I had a 40kt tailwind once.  Smile



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User currently offlineMrChips From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 927 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3167 times:

Quoting Woodreau (Reply 5):
I don't think the Katana's have constant speed props, at least the ones in the US don't, I don't know about Austria.

The Rotax-powered DA-20As should have a constant speed prop, whereas the Continental powered DA-20Cs have a conventional fixed pitch prop.

Personally, I don't care too much for the Katana. Here in Calgary, due to our high field elevations and high temps in the summer, the Katana is downright anemic. Also, the fiberglass fuselage has a maximum operating temperature, which is determined by a colour-changing button behind the pilot's seat. Also, one of my friends got himself into a bit of trouble in a Katana...like an inverted flat spin, which wasn't caused by ham-handedness, I might add.

Also, I have started an unofficial campaign to get every Katana painted bright flourescent orange...those things are almost impossible to spot in the circuit otherwise.



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User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3143 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3106 times:

Nothing to worry about. I've flown both Rotax and Continental powered versions. But, there are a few gotchas.

1) The nosewheel is free-castering. All turning is done with differential braking and it will yaw when you put the power in on takeoff.

2) Stalls are fun. Stay on top of it and keep the ball centered.

3) As mentioned, it is slippery. Slow for your descent a little earlier than you would in a cessna. It will get away, especially if you haven't flown in a long time.

4) TRIM

5) Fly a couple times with an instructor. New plane, new switches, new procedures. Let the guy or gal that knows it show you how to do it and get comfortable in the air again. You will be rusty. (this goes for any new airplane or when you've been out of it for a while)



DMI
User currently offlineMrChips From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 927 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3102 times:

Quoting Pilotpip (Reply 7):
Fly a couple times with an instructor. New plane, new switches, new procedures. Let the guy or gal that knows it show you how to do it and get comfortable in the air again. You will be rusty. (this goes for any new airplane or when you've been out of it for a while)

Best bit of advice I've seen here in ages.

If you really feel like learning the aircraft checklists, see if you can get into the airplane beforehand (anytime, for that matter) for some "hangar-flying".



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31660 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3086 times:

Quoting Kay (Thread starter):
What else do I need to think of?

Visit the Aircraft at the hangar often.Look at it closely,Sit in the seat and look around,take tips from ppl experienced in the particular model.
Most Important....Never hesitate to ask a question when in doubt.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineOE-LDA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3012 times:

Quoting Woodreau (Reply 5):
I don't think the Katana's have constant speed props, at least the ones in the US don't, I don't know about Austria.

The Katana definately has a constant speed propeller. Most of my flying time is on a Katana, and I have never seen one without.

For me the most significant difference to the C 172 a the flare. The Kati is much more sensitive to elevator (Höhenruder) movements as compared to the Cessna. If you give it the same imput you would give to the Cessna you will end up 2 meters above the runway with airpseed 45 kts. This is, as far as I know, a) because of the larger ground effect, and b) because of the relatively larger wings. Be sure to check the lock bolts for the hood from time to time. This is more critical on the DV-20. There has been an accident in LOAV in 2001 because the hood opened shortly after take-off.

Other than that I think you will enjoy the Katana. Try to fly the DA-20 and not the DV-20, it has the more modern cockpit layout, which I prefer. The one you show on the picture (OE-AAH) is a DA-20.

Also, be sure to study the maps of LOAN, it is one of the more complicated airports in Austria, lot of traffic and narrow traffic circuits. When will you fly? Maybe I'll see you in the air, I usually fly out of LOAV.

Regards, OE-LDA


User currently offlineOE-LDA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3002 times:

Remark concerning the constant speed propeller: that is for the Rotax engine. I don't know about the Continental.

By the way, I'll fly the Katana again tomorrow (Sunday, 24 April). Let me know if you want to come along.

Regards OE-LDA


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