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Empty Frames In Airbus Cockpits?  
User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2315 posts, RR: 21
Posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2675 times:

I don't know if this has been discussed before, but if you look at the picture I have included in this post, you can see that there are some frames to the left of the artificial horizon... why are they there if there is no gauge there?

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[Edited 2005-04-24 21:52:58]

[Edited 2005-04-24 21:54:50]

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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2673 times:

Speaking of empty frames... your pic isn't showing  Wink

User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2315 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2666 times:

now it is  Smile

sorry about that Big grin


User currently offlineC680 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 580 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2629 times:

It's not uncommon for manufactures to leave the holes for avionics options that the airline did not purchase, or items they may offer at a later date.

The same thing happens in your car - they leave the locations for controls of all the options - including the ones you didn't buy!



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User currently offlineScoz From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2620 times:

I'm unsure of this but I believe that they are loudspeakers? (the volume control is on the glareshield above it).


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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2315 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2558 times:

Quoting C680 (Reply 3):
It's not uncommon for manufactures to leave the holes for avionics options that the airline did not purchase, or items they may offer at a later date.

The same thing happens in your car - they leave the locations for controls of all the options - including the ones you didn't buy!

Okay thanks, C680... your answer sounds logic... it just doesn't look very nice, but I guess most people doesn't care about that


User currently offlineContinentalFan From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 356 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2463 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 5):
Okay thanks, C680... your answer sounds logic... it just doesn't look very nice, but I guess most people doesn't care about that

It's like a car with blank switch positions for options you didn't buy Sad


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8094 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2420 times:

The top cutout looks about the exact same shape and size as the backup artificial horizon in the middle of the panel. As previously mentioned though, it's not at all uncommon to see that on airplanes. Almost every Cessna built, for example, has unused cutouts.


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User currently offline727EMflyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2276 times:

Artificial horizon? Nowadays we call them Attitude Indicators  cheeky 

User currently offlineAbbs380 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2231 times:

727EMflyer, you brought it up a generation or so, but actually now a days that indicator you are referring to is called a PFD. The primary flight display has lots of info on it, not only all the stuff a flight director has but speed & alt & trends and on & on. The other big indicator to the right of it is called the ND for navigation display

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31573 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2188 times:

Blanked Areas,Can be optionally used to fit in additional Equipment as & When required.
regds
MEL



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User currently offline727EMflyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days ago) and read 2052 times:

Abbs380, Pardon my inexperience with glass cockpits... I know the CRT/LCD is the PFD and replaces several analog instruments, but do you not still refer to that field in the display as an AI?

User currently offlineBuckFifty From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1316 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1988 times:

It's been referred to as both in most publications I've read. I think in reality, there really is no need to be so pedantic.

In the aerobatic aircraft I flew, it is often referred to as the attitude indicator. Almost everywhere else, people tend to refer to it as an aritificial horizon.

The important thing is that everyone knows what you're talking about when you refer it to by either name.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31573 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1929 times:

Quoting BuckFifty (Reply 12):
The important thing is that everyone knows what you're talking about when you refer it to by either name.

I guess as long as you know what you are talking about.Although different Aircraft list their Components by different names.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineBuckFifty From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1316 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 13):
I guess as long as you know what you are talking about.Although different Aircraft list their Components by different names.
regds
MEL

There is obviously a line to be drawn here. When you mention artificial horizon or attitude indicator, chances are that most non-laymen will understand what you're talking about.

But when you start bantying terms such as MCP/FCU, CPU/MCDU about, then it's a different story...


User currently offlineDanman From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2002, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1884 times:

The upper one (square with angled corners) is an alternative location for the clock which is actually located below the Standby Horizon and Standby ASI on this aircraft, and the lower, larger, circular one is the Captain's speaker. I suspect that if you had a shot of the F/Os side The speaker would be there but the provision for the clock would be missing.

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