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A380 Maiden Flight  
User currently offlineKay From France, joined Mar 2002, 1884 posts, RR: 3
Posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

Tomorrow at around 10h30 local time, the Airbus A380 will take its maiden flight in Toulouse.

It will take off towards the North, turn West towards the wineries, overfly the Atlantic and come back to land. The flight will be between 1.5 and 4 hours.

My question is about maiden flights in general: how can such complex untested machine be thrown out to a take-off without at least making sure that they do get airborne and are controllable first?

For example: Have the plane roll for take-off, rotate, get airborne, and then flare and land, all on a huge specially designed runway (twice the normal length). That way, engine failurres, system failures and everything else will not cause a disaster. After that, a longer flight will be planned, and then further and further.

I never understood the lack of need to test take-off and landing first before planning a 4 hour flight with an untested machine.

Imagine testing a formula 1 car on a track where if the car fails, it will free-fall 10,000 feet and have to crash.


Kay

[Edited 2005-04-26 17:41:56]

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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2337 times:

Enough already...!!! There is only 50 other A380 first flight threads running..!!!!


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User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2300 times:

Quoting Kay (Thread starter):
My question is about maiden flights in general: how can such complex untested machine be thrown out to a take-off without at least making sure that they do get airborne and are controllable first?



Quoting Kay (Thread starter):
For example: Have the plane roll for take-off, rotate, get airborne, and then flare and land, all on a huge specially designed runway (twice the normal length). That way, engine failurres, system failures and everything else will not cause a disaster. After that, a longer flight will be planned, and then further and further

Essentially that's what happens during the high speed taxi tests except for, usually, the actual takeoff. Once it's airborne and flying, and you've taken the risks, you may as well fly for a bit and explore landing characteristics before you attempt the landing.


User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4327 posts, RR: 28
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2273 times:

Speaking of take-off, since the 380 will in fact be empty, or at least far below it's MGTOW, will the engines be run at full-throttle during the actual take-off run? Or, will they be run at somewhat less than full-throttle in order maximize the take-off run for purposes of extending the decision point for a go/no-go with regards to taking off?


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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17038 posts, RR: 66
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2206 times:

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 3):
Speaking of take-off, since the 380 will in fact be empty, or at least far below it's MGTOW, will the engines be run at full-throttle during the actual take-off run?

Probably, but AFAIK they are still derated well below their design output.



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User currently offlineAvionicMech From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 315 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2158 times:

Quoting Kay (Thread starter):
My question is about maiden flights in general: how can such complex untested machine be thrown out to a take-off without at least making sure that they do get airborne and are controllable first?

I don't understand how you could make sure they are controllable and that they can get airborne without a take-off because to get airborne you have to take-off.  Wink I do know what you mean though, but you would be surprised quite how many of the aircrafts systems can be checked on the ground without needing to go flying. A lot of the flying is done during these flight tests is just to endurance test systems and items that need an air load on them, the rest can be checked on the ground where it is safer if things do happen to go wrong.

Avionic Mech


User currently offlineEspion007 From Denmark, joined Dec 2003, 1691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2156 times:

The a380 will be loaded with full fuel for the first flight but i dont know about water balasts. Maybe the 2nd or 3rd flight.

My question is about maiden flights in general: how can such complex untested machine be thrown out to a take-off without at least making sure that they do get airborne and are controllable first?

Because there is one way to find out if its controllable.

This reminds me of a certain commercial that says near the beginning "its amazing what people will do when they have trust in their equipment".



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User currently offlineA346Dude From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1283 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2071 times:

Quoting Espion007 (Reply 6):
The a380 will be loaded with full fuel for the first flight

You sure about that? Sounds not only gutsy, but also uneconomical, for a flight that will last 4 hours max.

A346Dude

[Edited 2005-04-27 00:03:40]


You know the gear is up and locked when it takes full throttle to taxi to the terminal.
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1957 times:

What would that be in UTC.....another 1.5 hrs to go.Is it live on BBC/CNN.Thats available out here.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineKay From France, joined Mar 2002, 1884 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1949 times:

it was airborne exactly 10 minutes ago. Still unknown how they will stay up there.


Kay


User currently offlineAA173HEAVY From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1939 times:

It was truly awesome to watch! Lifted off so easily too. For those of you in the US, its on CNBC. The have left for now but will check back in and out and will definately be back for the landing.


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User currently offline5T6 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1856 times:

Amazing to watch!

But it does kinda sorta look like the Goodyear Blimp with wings.  Wow!

Mike



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User currently offlineMr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2787 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1857 times:

Hi guys

I watched the takeoff this morning about an hour ago. It was really sweet to see. The test pilots didn't retract the landing gear after a positive rate of climb was confirmed. Obviously (I think) one of the first "In Flight" tests involves the airspeed limits for the gear being extended & for it's retraction.

>>EMBQA .... you said this .....

Enough already...!!! There is only 50 other A380 first flight threads running..!!!!

Take it easy, try to relax. This is the TECH FORUM as you know, and when aviation "history" is in the making, it's time to celebrate! I sure had a huge smile on my face when I watched the footage of the 380 taking off. It's a new airplane!!! Perhaps you don't like Airbus jets. Maybe you're not having a good day. Who knows? But, if you can......try to be happy about this flight. Also, I'm not trying to put words in your mouth .... I don't have that right. Also, I'd be very surprised if a post about this maiden flight wasn't done in this forum. Thanks for the post Kay. Big grin

>>, Kay, you stated .....

"My question is about maiden flights in general: how can such complex untested machine be thrown out to a take-off without at least making sure that they do get airborne and are controllable first?"

Kay, consider this ...... an airliner isn't designed by 3 year olds! As mentioned, there is only one way to find out if it will fly ....... Take off in the bird!

Remember, air tunnel tests & computer simulations, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, are done first. I suspect a special route of flight that keeps the aircraft away from towns below is part of the flight plan for safety reasons in case something does go very wrong. Those test pilots sure have parts!

Guys, today is a great day for aviation. I wonder how long it will be before the first A380 lands here in Toronto? That will hit the local news big time!

Take Care,

Chris  Smile



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1770 times:

Just Fantastic,The Lift off was Excellent looking.
Images of The A380 in Cleaned up mode cruising looked good too.
Did not see the Touchdown though.Will catch it on the news.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineMr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2787 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1722 times:

Hi guys.

>> HAWK21M, I saw it flying while cleaned up on the local news at noon. They also showed it's landing from a hovering chopper, but as usual, they stopped the footage before it actually touched down. (I hate it when that happens!!!  banghead  ) It was still about 10 feet above the runway and had floated past the touch down zone markings when the video stopped.

Here's a little info about the flight from a Toronto news website.........

"The takeoff was absolutely perfect," chief test pilot Jacques Rosay said over the radio about an hour into the flight. "The weather's wonderful."

The plane took off carrying six crewmembers and 20,000 kilograms of on-board instruments. The aircraft weighed in at 421 tonnes when it departed for its first trip – that’s only 75 per cent of its maximum authorized take off weight.


Chris  Smile



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1405 times:

Great day for all Aviation Crazy Folks the World over.Now for the B787.  Smile
regds
MEL



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