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Where Should I Go To School To Be An Airline Pilot  
User currently offlineSwimpilot From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 16 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 3 months 5 days ago) and read 11059 times:

I have been doing a lot of research on where I should go to school for aviation. My ultimate goal is to be an Airline Pilot. I looked at Delta Connection Academy, but it is really expensive, and I have heard bad things. Do you have any suggestions?

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User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 11027 times:

Go to a "regular" school, get a degree not related to aviation, do all your training at local FBOs. You'll save a ton of money and get the same ratings as anyone else. Visit some FBOs before you start to get to know the instructors and see their equipment. Find an instructor that you like.


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 11019 times:

Nearly all of the airlines require a college BS degree as a minimum. With tens of thousands of pilots currently on lay-off, it will remain a hard market to break into for several years to come. Your best bet is to get a degree in a market you can use outside of flying as your chance of being laid-off in aviation is huge at least a few times in your career.


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User currently offlineMeister808 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 973 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 11017 times:

I've been at the University of North Dakota for 2 years now and I love it. I get to fly planes in class and I come away with a bachelor's degree(or 2) from a full size university. I would encourage you to check out UND. Drop me a message if you want to know more.

-Meister



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User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2789 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11010 times:

Similar to other comments, I suggest you get a degree in a discipline besides aviation. Such an education provides you with more experience and skills besides flying. Everyone advised me to get that "other" degree as a back-up. I will stand by that decision!

I just graduated with a mechanical engineering degree at UCLA and now, I'm pursuing all my ratings at a flight academy. With a BS degree, I'm meet the minimum educational requirements for the airlines and can fall back on my engineering degree if necessary.

Good luck!


User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11000 times:

Another reason to get a non-related degree is that it will better prepare you for aviation as well. You're going to hear horror stories of how hard a 121 ground school is. "You have to study every second that you're away from class!" "It's like drinking from a fire hose!" I found my first 121 ground school nothing like that. It was quite enjoyable for me. Compared to some of the classes I had in college for my computer engineering degree, it wasn't hard at all.

Many of the people who find ground schools hard don't have any real classes to compare it to since they have a degree in aviation (wtf is that about?).

No offense to anyone who has an aviation degree.  bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlineC133 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 10919 times:
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Don't forget the military. They provide the best training in the world and a flying job to boot.


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User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 10918 times:

By your question it sounds like you are not looking for a college you are looking for a flight school. First of all I agree with everyone else that you don't have to get a BS in Aviation, in fact aviation degrees are one of the hardest to complete. If you know for sure that you want to be comm pilot then I would get an easy degree to complete.

Second try to get all your primary training at a local flight school then when you get into more advanced stuff like commercial, multi-engine and CFI go to a proffesional flightschool like ATP or others. Also go to the website Jetcareers.com for more info on pro flight schools. You can go to the military but there are many conditions that you must meet in-order to get a flying job plus you don't fly that much and you may be assigend to other non-flying jobs before you have a chance to fly.


User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 10886 times:

In fact aviation degrees are one of the hardest to complete

You're joking, right? Try med school, vet school, law school, any kind of engineering, physics, chemistry. You think ground school is hard, try antennas, fields, transmission lines. Aviation is not hard.



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User currently offlineZOTAN From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10839 times:

You really should go to a normal 4 year university and get a degree. You need something to fall back upon if you cannot get a job as a pilot.

User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10824 times:

I know everybody in A.net hates Embry-Riddle, but I've been in the Prescott campus for a year and I can tell you I love it. Brand new planes, excellent flying whether, and everybody talks the "airplane" language. This is the place you want to go if you want to live in an aviation fanatic environment. I actually think it is a waste of money if you want to be an engineer or something like that here, that's why there's the MIT, but that's just me.

Yes it's expensive, but so are other schools. And no I'm not a spoiled rich kid, I can't even afford a car. (although some of my classmates are spoiled)  .

The advantage at Riddle is, almost 80% applicants are admitted, and the name is very respected in the industry and you get superb training.

You will hear a lot of BS about Riddle, just as like I did before being admitted, but none of it turned out to be true.

This applies to all schools: Take tours. When it comes to picking a college, it doesn't have to be the best one, but the one you'd feel most happy joining. Plan ahead, do your research early and be sure to not miss any deadlines!!!

By reading you're profile, I can tell you are just as determined as me in being a pilot. By that I can tell you might like Riddle, and you will get a job.

Check out www.erau.edu

I'd be very happy to answer any questions you have. Good luck on your search!!!
  

[Edited 2005-04-30 08:42:16]

[Edited 2005-04-30 08:42:54]

User currently offlineSwimpilot From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10814 times:

I attended UND for the Fall of 2004, but I didn't take the Private Pilot course. I live in MT and I hate the cold, and don't like the fact that all of my friends were getting their lessons "weathered". I would, however, still be there, but I couldn't get my 1st class medical certificate because of my diagnosis my senior year in H.S. of Skin Cancer, all is well now, and the FAA gave me an approval after my doctor said it is okay. So I now have my medical certificate, but no where to go. I am looking at either a four-year degree or just a certificate program like ATP. I will look at Riddle, a friend of mine graduated from the Daytona Campus. Thanks guys! Swimpilot

User currently offlineJamie757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10794 times:

What are the options in the UK? Anybody Help?

Rgds.


User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 10780 times:

I've got nothing against ERAU personally, but if you avoid it and get a real degree, you'll wind up in a better position in the long run. Getting your certificates at local FBOs or at major schools makes no difference, it's the same piece of plastic and you can do the same things with it. The name is known, true, but it's not going to open up that many doors for you, they tell you a lot to sell it to you. Another advantage to not going there is you might get some real weather experience in other parts of the country. In one of my interviews with an airline the guy doing the interview said he was continually amazed by applicants who came from Arizona and similar states that had an hour or two of actual instrument experience, if that!


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User currently offlineAdamWright From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10738 times:

If you truly have the passion to make aviation your career, then why not get a degree in something you want to do? What good is a biology major going to do you when you flying around the country in a learjet?

User currently offlineJutes85 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10731 times:

Quoting C133 (Reply 6):
Don't forget the military. They provide the best training in the world and a flying job to boot.

And you don't go broke while doing it.


User currently offlineSwimpilot From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10716 times:

The military is too selective. I know a guy that is an Officer in the air force, graduated from the Air Force Academy top of his class and couldn't get accepted into the program because he "wasn't smart enough". Right, he is one of the brightest people I know. Everyone and their brother wants to be an air force pilot.

User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10697 times:

If you truly have the passion to make aviation your career, then why not get a degree in something you want to do?

Because an aviation degree is absolutly rock-bottom useless (talking about "aviation science"). If aviation is the only thing you're interested in, then you need to get out more. Most people can find a subject their interested in outside of aviation, and it's likely that it'll be a subject with a degree that's more useful. Going someplace like ERAU, in my opinion, is paying tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars for a worthless degree and the same certificates as everyone else.

While it's true that I'd have to do some serious studying and work really hard to actually use my degree in the workplace ten years down the road, the benefits in the now from getting it (completely unrelated to aviation), include being able to program a computer, thouroghly understand electricity, know how signals work and how their processed, and many other things.

So what you say? Because of my degree, I spent about thirty minutes of my time and had a system set up on my computer that notified me by text message on my phone if my schedule changed within twelve hours of the current time while I was flight instructing, which in turn saved me from showing up at 6am only to find that my student had cancelled without telling me, and that's just one way my degree has helped me.

Broaden your horizons, you'll be happier in the long run.



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User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10694 times:

The military is too selective. I know a guy that is an Officer in the air force, graduated from the Air Force Academy top of his class and couldn't get accepted into the program because he "wasn't smart enough". Right, he is one of the brightest people I know. Everyone and their brother wants to be an air force pilot.

That's probably not the whole reason. There were students at our flight school who already had pilot slots in the Air Force and were getting their private pilot certificate through the IFT program. They hadn't even been, and weren't going, to the academy, they were in the ROTC program at the local university.



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User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7125 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10649 times:

Well if you are only looking for a flight school I would say ATP. Seems like the best choice to me. You should check out there website.
I would recommend going to a college like everyone else said and than go get all your ratings.
If you up for the military I highly recommend that, they give you a job training is free. But the military is tough and you have to want to be in the military not just be there to build hours.



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User currently offlineNorCal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10610 times:

Riddle is a good school if all you like is planes. You only get to go to college once. I would suggest going to a college where you can have the college experience. Not only that, but by attending a school that isn't so aviation intense, you can transfer more easily to another major then you can at riddle if you find out that it isn't quite your thing. Quite honestly, riddle sucks, it is in the middle of nowhere and it is a total sausage fest at the school. Most aviation schools are more guys than girls, but at least there are other people at school to choose from. Besides if you ever visit Prescott, then you will realize as I did that it is very dull. The Daytona campus is probably better, but still you have a total sausage fest until spring break comes along  Wink

UND has a very nice program, I never actually visited even though I got excepted. Mainly b/c I really like Purdue, but also b/c it is in NORTH DAKOTA. Indiana is a dull enough state to live in, but I can only imagine how bad ND could be. (though I hear that they get to do some of their flight training in Hawaii  Wink )

I looked at St. Louis University, ASU, UND, Embry Riddle, Daniel Webster's, and Purdue. I eventually chose Purdue b/c it not only has an amazing flight program, but it is a big school where you can get the college experience. Judging by your username, you look like a swimmer. At Purdue, you could probably still swim, or play water polo if you wanted to.

If you want some info or plan on applying/visiting Purdue let me know I'll be happy to help out. I can give you more detailed pros and cons from the schools I visited if you want some info.

Mainly though, look at all aspects at a school, not just the education. The education is important, but having a good time is also very important.


User currently offlinePilothighflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10559 times:

I currently go to ERAU - Daytona Beach
Aviation Business Freshman

Goin to Riddle is like goin to your local airport to hang out but only for 4 years straight. It gets old very fast. I started here as an Aeronautical Science major with my private pilots license. I am now an Aviation Business major finishing up my multi-commercial (part 61.) The ERAU flight programs is way too $$ and takes FOREVER to get anything done. i know ppl who took an entire year (2 semesters!!) to get a private multi rating at a cost of over 12,000!. A rating that can be obtained off campus in 2 weeks for less than 3,000. This school is very easy to get into and there for the ppl that go here are not the best and brightest (not engineers, those ppl are smart.) An aviation business degree allows me to get an aviation degree that also has some redundancy. I am planning on goin on to get an MBA which should be pretty good educational coverage when it comes to a back up plan.
I like this school alot more now that i don't have to waste anymore time and money in their flight program. Some of you question the "college experience" here at Riddle...no girls...all airplanes...welll that all true but enterprising young gentleman may make the 15 minute drive to Stetson University where the student population is over 70% female, also DBCC is down the road. Its all relative but ERAU has a stellar reputation and thats hard to beat. Most companies don't care where u got your training, just that you have it and you have hours.


Good Luck with your choice
Any questions feel free....

Robert

PS: Living Off campus makes this school much more enjoyable!!


User currently offlineNWA ARJ From United States of America, joined May 2001, 547 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10448 times:

I would tell you to go to UND. I have been here two years and I love it. The planes are for the most part very new, and they fly well. The instructors here are pretty good and you get a very well rounded education here. And if you think there is a problem of getting laid off in the airline industry you could come here and get a double major, in say, ATC just to be safe. There are alot of students getting that double major these days. Smart choice to have two options on the table. Drop me an email if you have any questions.


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User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10437 times:

Why would you double major in something worthwhile and something worthless when you can just do a single major in something worthwhile and save yourself a lot of money, time, and stress?


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User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10306 times:

why waste a few hundred thousand when you can waste double!

25 Mikkel777 : I attend to PEA,(www.pea.com) and am very happy. Low prices, pretty new C172 and DAB is an ok airport to fly out of. For more info, send me a pm or ma
26 SSTjumbo : If you're hellbent on getting a degree in aviation, I'd suggest at least having a trade you can fall back on. While I'm obtaining all of my ratings an
27 Pilotpip : Swimpilot, As you can see here, there are as many opinions on this one as there could possibly be. I think the reason for this is that there isn't one
28 LPLAspotter : Maybe at some schools, but definitely not at the Florida Institute of Technology. Most (not all but definitely most) of the aviation students were st
29 Modesto2 : I would highly recommend getting that 4-year college degree. I've met a lot of student pilots at my school that don't have a 4-year degree. They're qu
30 57AZ : Your best bet is to attend regular school and do aviation training on the side. Hiring is all based upon demand and hiving additional education places
31 Post contains links and images Burnsie28 : The University of North Dakota is a regular 4 year school that happens to have one of the best if not the best Aviation programs. I am going there, an
32 NWA ARJ : To get a double major at UND in ATC and commercial aviation it takes like eight more credits of ATC, no more money, and not much stress at all. I thi
33 Atrude777 : Try SIU :-d We have some former or current SIU-C students here. regulsr four year school/univserity and a good aviation program. We have intern with a
34 Boeing7E7 : And how exactly does a non-related degree prepare you for a highly specialized field? Make you more "well rounded" and about 6 steps behind the compe
35 PlainSmart : Simple and easy. You get what you pay for. You get out what you put in. Do it right and go to a 4 year school or scrape along at an FBO where nobody r
36 B744F : No, you can count on the person who interviewed best and knew their stuff, it doesn't matter where you go, just what and who you know.
37 Bridogger6 : ASU (Arizona State) has a decent pilot training program through Mesa Airlines (of all the airlines, lol). So you can get any degree while training to
38 TheGreatChecko : In my experience, a university makes it easier to make connections within the industry. While what you say is true, the guy who knew someone in the a
39 Ralgha : Actually, you're wrong. You've been drinking far too much kool-aid. There are a couple airlines who lower their requirements for the people with a wo
40 PlainSmart : I have never seen one so opposed and so full of their ability to get through a 121 ground school that really shouldn't be the hardest thing anyway. Yo
41 INTENSS : "Real degree" ?? ERAU has fake degrees? You haven't a clue what you're talking about. You must think that Riddle only offers Aeronautical Science "fl
42 Woodreau : Wow lots of hostility here There are an infinite combinations of ways to get into an airline seat. I think you should examine your goals, and devise a
43 B744F : Ok so the major airlines hire people with college degrees, are there any pilots without them? Also, what about cargo companies, do they also require a
44 Powerofpi : I recently spoke with an ATLAS air 747-400F pilot and he only had a 2 year and recieved his initial training from the local flight school.
45 Post contains links Preludespeeder : I am currently in the process to becoming an airline pilot and I am going to a straight flight school that offers a whole program from no hours to cif
46 FSPilot747 : No offense to the author of the above, but that hasn't been true in a long time. FBO's are becoming way too expensive as of late, and the training I
47 Spirtofalaska : I was signed up to go to the San Juan College In farmington, ( this school is ran for Mesa Airlines as Well ) But my dad backed out of my 60 thousand
48 Saab2000 : Get a degree in something as a fall back. Then go to a real flight school, like FlightSafety. Getting your training at the FBO is not how to become an
49 PlainSmart : Yah I completely agree don't skimp on training. I also really like to see someone who doesn't just jump at the first flight job. I just get so sick of
50 B744F : Most industries are like that.
51 PlainSmart : Well that is true. HAH
52 FSPilot747 : On review, I think I didn't get my point across too clear. I am someone who firmly believes that an education at the FBO level is really very importan
53 Post contains images Saab2000 : Flying around the patch or doing instruction in a Cessna 150 is not how to become an airline pilot. The only thing the FBO has to teach most pilots is
54 Pilotaydin : you dont have to fly in the usa...come to europe.. most first officers in turkey that are starting out are under 30 years old i myself 24
55 LPLAspotter : Just curious, where did you go? Nice post LPLA spotter
56 Saab2000 : In Switzerland I went to Horizon Swiss Flight Academy. There are other good ones in Switzerland including the one run by my former employer SWISS. The
57 B744F : Give me a break, you don't need an aviation school to "teach" you how to be an airline pilot, like it takes a rocket scientist or something... get you
58 Saab2000 : In the first line of my first post on this subject I said to "get a degree in something as a fallback." I stand by that statement. But if someone is g
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