OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9611 times:
I'm no expert on the Airbii either, but had this been a 737, he'd be in the vicinity of the access door for the airconditioning hose (that's used while on the gate). Assuming Airbus has a similar door in a similar location, perhaps he was just checking it, or re-closing it. He looks too close to the aircraft centerline to be doing anything involving the cargo door, but I'm sure some Airbus folks will chime in with more authorative info...
IAHTowTeam From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9568 times:
I am no expert at airbuses either, as I work for CO and we only have Boeing, however, it looks like he is closing the access panel door for the A/C. Just a well educated guess but just by a process of elemination, there could not be much else around that area he would have much else to do with.
GQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9472 times:
Ah, now that would make a little more sense. Most likely someone didn't get it latched all the way. Or maybe someone's glove got caught in the door (if there is one on an airbus) and he didn't have time to get it free when they pulled the airstart away. Kinda funny to see an a/c with a glove caught in a door somewheres on the fuselage.
TinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 990 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9424 times:
As a ramp supervisor myself with experince on only Boeing and MCDD a/c (worked on F9 A319 on TDY once)...I'd say most of your guesses are correct about what he is doing. As far as the engine start, there really is no evidence just from looking at the picture that the engines are being started/running. Im quite sure the driver on the tug has advised the man in charge that someone is in the vicinity of the engines and that he should hold off on starting until he is clear.
"Flying isn't inherently dangerous...but very unforgiving of carelessness, incapacity or neglect."
Sinlock From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1656 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8788 times:
It's a ramp rat for sure he's got knee pads on.
Looks like he's closing the Airstart door. He's not closing the the panal for the forward bin because at the angle hes standing he'd have never been able to reach the door latch.
Ntspelich From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8711 times:
I concur that he's probably closing the door for the air conditioning/airstart coupling. We usually do our airstarts at the gate, but I have seen DL do them in the alleyway. At BWI NW does theirs at the gate, so possibly someone simply forgot to close the panel and it was noticed after the a/c had pushed. I know that I came pretty close last night to leaving a potable water access door open, good thing that we had to defuel 1000lbs so it wasn't an issue.
United 717 heavy, you're facing the wrong way. Any chance you can powerback to get off of my deice pad?
Gilligan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8497 times:
Looks like the airstart door to me. It's funny how those things will pop open all by themselves. Then you go to try and close it and 4 out of 5 tries it pops right back open and on the 5th for no explanation it stays closed. It usually relates to how hard it is raining/snowing or to how near the end of your shift is. It's not specific to Airbus either. I've had it happen on Boeing and MD products as well.
Engine number 2 looks like it is running or was running, seems to be roiled air behind it. Walking along the center line can be done safely as long as the engines are at idle. I worked on the ramp for WN for a while and back then they did not believe in cross bleed starts so you started both engines at the gate with the cart. Then the low man on the totem pole got to waddle down the center line and remove the hose. I never did like doing that!
Gilligan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5597 times:
Quoting CALMSP (Reply 17): how could you do an airstart away from the gate? you need to keep power to the airplane in order to do so.
And that is partly why they invented portable generators. I've worked more than a few gates where the jetway power was down and we had to use a portable gen, do an airstart, and take away the portable a/c unit. It's a real pain. If you are saying did they back the ac away from the gate and do an airstart, probably not, as mentioned in an earlier post, they would be blocking an active taxiway in that position which generates a lot of nasty phone calls. NW does park some airplanes out on the ramp in that area, I wonder if they weren't just dragging this one around to the gate?
Cainanuk From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2002, 551 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4538 times:
That is where the forward cargo door controls are. I would guess that as the door is open and his hands are actually up where the switches would be, the captain has probably asked him to double check that the front cargo hold is actually all the way closed.
I think you are right, the airstart and air con' connections are further back.
I think he is just closing the door that gains access to the cargo door controls.
There is a small door/hatch that is opened to gain access to the door controls, sometimes if you try and 'flick' it shut it can bounce back down and remain in an open position.
This is exactly why we do a walk round before the aircraft pushes back so we can check that all doors and handles are closed and in the correct positions, cargo doors, passenger doors, fuel cover, water service and toilet service points etc.
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: Yes, you are right! indeed they are further back when I look at it again! (middle of the fairing) I don't see the need why he needs to do something on
: by the way is there still a flag on that ?static port? just above the nose gear?
: I believe that is the red paint stripe for the maximum nosegear towing angle.
: Call me an idiot, but what is an airstart and what does it do? I'm sure I've seen them. They're those little carts that they hook up to A/C and then t
: It is basically a diesel engine hooked up to a compressor for feeding high pressure air to the engine to get it to start. It is used when the APU ble
: No that is not a flag, it is a reference point for pushback drivers, because if the bar is in line or goes past that mark then they are coming close
: I am an airbus wizz and I think he's pulling his hat out of the a/c no.1 pack inlet. It's definitely the hp ground connector left open after an airsta
: Spring tension of the latches regds MEL
: He's facing the wrong way to be fooling with the cargo door operating handle. I think the HP air door is the most likely object of his attention.
: You are right, he is also behind the drain, the angle of the picture is a little deceptive, I had a closer look at an AF 320 today, definately the HP