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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3979 posts, RR: 7
Posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9436 times:
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I'm not an expert on the airbus......only worked a few F9 birds....but what could this guy be doing during the engine starts in this position.

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I guess he could be shutting the door, but we typically dont push them this far for last minute bags becuase he is blocking November Kilo


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User currently offlineJamie757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9394 times:

He's trying to lift the front so it's free of the tug!

Rgds


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9389 times:

I'm no expert on the Airbii either, but had this been a 737, he'd be in the vicinity of the access door for the airconditioning hose (that's used while on the gate). Assuming Airbus has a similar door in a similar location, perhaps he was just checking it, or re-closing it. He looks too close to the aircraft centerline to be doing anything involving the cargo door, but I'm sure some Airbus folks will chime in with more authorative info...

User currently offlineIAHTowTeam From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9346 times:

I am no expert at airbuses either, as I work for CO and we only have Boeing, however, it looks like he is closing the access panel door for the A/C. Just a well educated guess but just by a process of elemination, there could not be much else around that area he would have much else to do with.

User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6048 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9281 times:

That looks more like the location of the pneumatic duct connector used with an airstart cart.


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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3979 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9260 times:
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if thats the case then they just forgot to shut it.....since airstarts take place at the gate.


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User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9250 times:

Ah, now that would make a little more sense. Most likely someone didn't get it latched all the way. Or maybe someone's glove got caught in the door (if there is one on an airbus) and he didn't have time to get it free when they pulled the airstart away. Kinda funny to see an a/c with a glove caught in a door somewheres on the fuselage.

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User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9202 times:

As a ramp supervisor myself with experince on only Boeing and MCDD a/c (worked on F9 A319 on TDY once)...I'd say most of your guesses are correct about what he is doing. As far as the engine start, there really is no evidence just from looking at the picture that the engines are being started/running. Im quite sure the driver on the tug has advised the man in charge that someone is in the vicinity of the engines and that he should hold off on starting until he is clear.


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User currently offline707guy From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9172 times:

I used to work for DGS in CLE and we handle HP - he's definately in the area where the conditioned air and airstart doors are. Could just be securing one of them.

User currently offlineAcidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8924 times:
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Closing the panel door to the switch for the hydraulically-operated front cargo door. Sometimes those get missed up until the last minute. That ramper is right where that is.


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User currently offlineCLE757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8646 times:

Maybe its a mechanic checking out something.


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User currently offlineSinlock From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1649 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8566 times:

It's a ramp rat for sure he's got knee pads on.
Looks like he's closing the Airstart door. He's not closing the the panal for the forward bin because at the angle hes standing he'd have never been able to reach the door latch.





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User currently offlineNtspelich From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8489 times:

I concur that he's probably closing the door for the air conditioning/airstart coupling. We usually do our airstarts at the gate, but I have seen DL do them in the alleyway. At BWI NW does theirs at the gate, so possibly someone simply forgot to close the panel and it was noticed after the a/c had pushed. I know that I came pretty close last night to leaving a potable water access door open, good thing that we had to defuel 1000lbs so it wasn't an issue.

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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8473 times:

Probably Tightening a Camlock fastner  Smile
Or Closing a panel latch. My guess.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineGilligan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8275 times:

Looks like the airstart door to me. It's funny how those things will pop open all by themselves. Then you go to try and close it and 4 out of 5 tries it pops right back open and on the 5th for no explanation it stays closed. It usually relates to how hard it is raining/snowing or to how near the end of your shift is. It's not specific to Airbus either. I've had it happen on Boeing and MD products as well.

Engine number 2 looks like it is running or was running, seems to be roiled air behind it. Walking along the center line can be done safely as long as the engines are at idle. I worked on the ramp for WN for a while and back then they did not believe in cross bleed starts so you started both engines at the gate with the cart. Then the low man on the totem pole got to waddle down the center line and remove the hose. I never did like doing that!


User currently offlineKingGeo3 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8068 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 13):
Probably Tightening a Camlock fastner

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User currently offlineCmhsrq From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 993 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6496 times:

You are all wrong he is double checking the fluxcapacitor. DUH!!!


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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3979 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5603 times:
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how could you do an airstart away from the gate? you need to keep power to the airplane in order to do so.


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User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5439 times:

Quoting KingGeo3 (Reply 15):
IKEA sells Airbus now?

they always did.. You didn't know?

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User currently offlineGilligan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5375 times:

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 17):
how could you do an airstart away from the gate? you need to keep power to the airplane in order to do so.

And that is partly why they invented portable generators. I've worked more than a few gates where the jetway power was down and we had to use a portable gen, do an airstart, and take away the portable a/c unit. It's a real pain. If you are saying did they back the ac away from the gate and do an airstart, probably not, as mentioned in an earlier post, they would be blocking an active taxiway in that position which generates a lot of nasty phone calls. NW does park some airplanes out on the ramp in that area, I wonder if they weren't just dragging this one around to the gate?

[Edited 2005-05-02 22:20:57]

User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3979 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5296 times:
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portables you would still crank it up at the gate....you wouldnt push it back b/c then you would still disconnect the ground power unit.


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User currently offlineSWISSER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4826 times:

Hi guys!

he is doing something on the ground service conditioned air connector!
no big deal!(page 215,216 of the MFP)


User currently offlineSWISSER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4793 times:

the APU is running(hatch is open under the tail) so they probably forgot to close it at the gate!

User currently offlineCainanuk From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2002, 551 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4316 times:

That is where the forward cargo door controls are. I would guess that as the door is open and his hands are actually up where the switches would be, the captain has probably asked him to double check that the front cargo hold is actually all the way closed.


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User currently offlinePogo From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4045 times:

Quoting Cainanuk (Reply 23):
That is where the forward cargo door controls are

I think you are right, the airstart and air con' connections are further back.
I think he is just closing the door that gains access to the cargo door controls.
There is a small door/hatch that is opened to gain access to the door controls, sometimes if you try and 'flick' it shut it can bounce back down and remain in an open position.
This is exactly why we do a walk round before the aircraft pushes back so we can check that all doors and handles are closed and in the correct positions, cargo doors, passenger doors, fuel cover, water service and toilet service points etc.



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25 SWISSER : Yes, you are right! indeed they are further back when I look at it again! (middle of the fairing) I don't see the need why he needs to do something on
26 SWISSER : by the way is there still a flag on that ?static port? just above the nose gear?
27 Sacflyer : I believe that is the red paint stripe for the maximum nosegear towing angle.
28 UA772IAD : Call me an idiot, but what is an airstart and what does it do? I'm sure I've seen them. They're those little carts that they hook up to A/C and then t
29 Gilligan : It is basically a diesel engine hooked up to a compressor for feeding high pressure air to the engine to get it to start. It is used when the APU ble
30 Post contains links and images Pogo : No that is not a flag, it is a reference point for pushback drivers, because if the bar is in line or goes past that mark then they are coming close
31 Post contains images Scarebus03 : I am an airbus wizz and I think he's pulling his hat out of the a/c no.1 pack inlet. It's definitely the hp ground connector left open after an airsta
32 Post contains images HAWK21M : Spring tension of the latches regds MEL
33 320tech : He's facing the wrong way to be fooling with the cargo door operating handle. I think the HP air door is the most likely object of his attention.
34 Pogo : You are right, he is also behind the drain, the angle of the picture is a little deceptive, I had a closer look at an AF 320 today, definately the HP
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