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User currently offlineQxeguy From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 81 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 15140 times:

I am looking for website that has detailed CRJ-200 information. Is there somewhere I can download a POH in PDF format or a Website that has this information. That would be ideal.

Otherwise, I am looking for V Speeds, Critical angle of attack, Critical mach etc.

Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks.


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User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 15049 times:

http://members.aol.com/ChrisChrz/crj200.html

User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4204 posts, RR: 37
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 15002 times:

You sound like youve got an interview with Pinnacle.


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User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4204 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 14997 times:

I might add that 90% of that information is wrong on the link he just posted.


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User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6048 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 14986 times:

XFSU --

I would have to agree 100%.
This looks like something a flight simmer put together.



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User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 14967 times:

Really, that bad huh. Ok sorry for that post it looked ok.

User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4204 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 14962 times:

Actually all that he got right was : 2 engined passenger jet.... and he got the engine type right (GE CF34-3B1) . hahaha. wow. That guy needs to be pimp slapped.


Chicks dig winglets.
User currently offlineWoodreau From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1044 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 14938 times:

Takeoff Speeds

Low End Speeds based on 34000lb weight
High End Speeds based on 53000lb weight
speeds not corrected for pressure altitude and temp, anti-ice, or APR
so as listed valid for sea level, temp -40C to 10C, zero slope, zero wind
V1 Flap 8 111-150 Flap 20 101-140
Vr Flap 8 111-150 Flap 20 104-140
V2 Flap 8 127-158 Flap 20 117-147
Vfto 151-188
Vfto FL210 195
Vfto FL270 210
Vfto FL350 225

Landing Speeds

Low End Speeds/distances based on 34000lb weight
High End Speeds/distances based on 47000lb weight
Actual Landing Distance = dry field landing length x 0.6 - dry runway, zero wind, zero slope, crossing 50TCH at Vref.
Landing Distances given for sea level and flaps 45- not corrected for pressure altitude or flap setting

Flap 45
Vapp 125-147
Vref 120-142
Actual Landing Distance 2313ft-2909ft

Flap 20
Vapp 137-159
Vref 132-154
Actual Landing Distance No Thrust Reverser (Flap 45 ALD x 1.20) / With Thrust Reverser (Flap 45 ALD x 1.22)

Flap 0
Vapp 155-177
Vref 150-172
Actual Landing Distance No Thrust Reverser (Flap 45 APD x 1.70) / With Thrust Reverser (Flap 45 ALD x 1.65)

Vref Flap 45 = 1.30 x Vs0
Vref Flap 20 = 1.37 x Vs0

Other Speeds

Vmo/Mmo
0 - 8000ft 330kts
8000ft - FL255 335kts
FL255 - FL280 M0.80
FL280 - FL316 315kts
FL316 - FL410 M0.85

Va 53000lbs FL300 305kts Sea Level 240kts
Va 30000lbs FL390 224kts Sea Level 161kts

Vle 250kts
Vlo (extension) 250kts
Vlo (retraction) 200kts

Vfe 8/20 230kts
Vfe 30 185kts
Vfe 45 170kts

Vturb 280kts / M0.75
Max speed for wiper operation 220kts
Max speed with ADG deployed 250kts (for windmill airstarts 330kts allowed for 12mins max / 335kts allowed for 4mins max)
Max speed for manual ADG deployment / ADG flight testing 215kts
Max tire wheel speed 182kts
Max speed with APU door open and APU shutdown 300kts


I guess while we're at it:

Max ramp 53250lbs (edited typed 53350 instead of 53250)
Max takeoff 53000lbs
Max landing 47000lbs
Max ZFW 44000lbs
Minimum flight weight 30000lbs


Pinnicle's numbers may be different.

[Edited 2005-05-07 17:06:41]


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User currently offlineJetlagged From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 2556 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 14922 times:

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 5):
Really, that bad huh. Ok sorry for that post it looked ok.

If you look at the parent page, you'll see it relates to a Virtual Airline operation in MSFS. Not one you'd recommend given the flight procedures described Big grin

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 6):
That guy needs to be pimp slapped.

Not really his fault: you don't need a pilot's license to use MSFS or set up a virtual airline. It's only a game after all.



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User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4204 posts, RR: 37
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 14885 times:

Woodreau... those numbers are correct.  Smile The only thing our airline does different is Vfe for flaps 8 and 20 is 215 for us. That's the reason you'll see our aircraft taxiing in with our flaps retracted... we don't have to worry about flaps twist, so there is no need for a post flight inspection of the screws. Our ADG's are newer generation, also..we dont have limitations on that.


Jetlagged- I kinda figured it was for MSFS....but those numbers and procedures are so far off it's quite rediculous.



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User currently offlineJetlagged From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 2556 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 14857 times:

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 9):
Jetlagged- I kinda figured it was for MSFS....but those numbers and procedures are so far off it's quite rediculous

Agreed - way off, but some of the procedures are dictated by the way the default autopilot is implemented in MSFS (no speed hold pitch mode for example).



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User currently offlineWoodreau From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1044 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 14842 times:

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 9):
Jetlagged- I kinda figured it was for MSFS....but those numbers and procedures are so far off it's quite rediculous.

I finally upgraded my MSFS 4.0 to MSFS 2004 last week and checked out the CRJ from Wilco and Feel There..... It's pretty neat to see the difference of 12 years between 4.0 and 2004. The CRJ visual model looks pretty good, but I couldn't do a lot of the operational things that I'd have to do a real aircraft (but it was never meant to be a procedure trainer.) So I guess the CRJ model does what it can within the limitations of MSFS.

The first thing I missed immediately was the speed trend vector on the airspeed tape. The trend vector is sort of modelled, but the way it's modelled it is not usable as an instrument.



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User currently offlineUAL Bagsmasher From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2147 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 14743 times:

Speaking of taxiing CRJ's in with flaps extended, why do many airlines (ZW included) often taxi in to the gate with flaps 20? Many times when I taxi I have to bring the flaps up from the previous flight. Is there a reason behind leaving the flaps down, or is it just a case of forgetting?

User currently offlineWoodreau From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1044 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 14723 times:

You'll be taking off at flaps 8 or 20 when you go out, so we just leave them out.

It's also so we can stick our fingers in between the inboard and outboard flaps to see if it's in the go-no go criteria...  Smile It's part of the external walk around to check for flap twist/deformation. Some airlines have the procedure I guess, some don't. Since you have to have the flaps at 8 or 20 to do the inspection, you just leave the flaps at 20.

At the last flight of the day, we just bring them all the way up.



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User currently offlineAogdesk From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 935 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 14707 times:

During winter ops, the flaps are sometimes left in landing config so that maintenance can verify that no ice or snow has been lodged in the flap area that would interfere with retraction. A small chunk of ice could cause some major problems.

User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 14673 times:

Such hostility towards the flight sim community. Is it because a child can fly a plane as well with some basic researching that gets you upset? You'd be surprised at how realistic the simulator is.

User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6048 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 14659 times:

Quoting B744F (Reply 15):
Such hostility towards the flight sim community.

No, it's because we talk about REAL flying here. If you want simming, then look in the hobby forum.



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User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 14655 times:

Nonsense. Nothing but hostility towards the simulator. Comments like "it must be a simmer!" show it.

User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6048 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 14653 times:

No hostility here. The original poster was asking for numbers for the aircraft. The first link posted was not the information he was looking for, but rather was written by someone who uses flight simulator. Those numbers are not only wrong, but they are way off.


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User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 14647 times:

So what if the numbers are off? Does that automatically show that and I quote:
"I would have to agree 100%.
This looks like something a flight simmer put together."

You are going to say that there are no incorrect numbers out there unless it is "put together by a flight simmer."

The hostility is obvious, don't try to hide it. Why must pilots elevate themselves from the rest of the world instead of admitting its just another job?


User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6048 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 14650 times:

Beating around the bush, are we?

The post you reference was in reference to the post above it, which quotes:

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 3):
I might add that 90% of that information is wrong on the link he just posted.

The numbers are wrong, procedures are wrong, and gosh darn it, it reads like something used by someone who uses flight simulator.

Quoting B744F (Reply 19):
You are going to say that there are no incorrect numbers out there unless it is "put together by a flight simmer."

No. You assume that, much like the other two posts you have in this thread.

Quoting B744F (Reply 19):
The hostility is obvious, don't try to hide it. Why must pilots elevate themselves from the rest of the world instead of admitting its just another job?

I hope that pun was intended.



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User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 14639 times:

I don't need to assume, it is quite obvious from your first comment, like I said. Just because something is wrong information doesn't mean it obviously comes from flight simulator. Somebody could have incorrect/outdated/etc. information and posted it on that website. YOU assumed that because it was wrong, it was from "a flight simmer."

User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6048 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 14643 times:

I didn't need to assume. Just LOOK at the friggin checklist.

Quote:
PRE-TAXI:
Cabin Check List
Push Back
Start Engines

I can tell that this does not belong in any airplane. Even a Cessna 150 has a more thorough checklist than this.

Quote:

PRE-TAKE-OFF:
Taxi to Assigned Runway
25 Knots on Straight Taxiways
15 Knots in Turns
Flaps 8 degrees
Autopilot On.
Set Airspeed: 250 Knots
Set Runway Heading
Set Altitude to Level Cleared
When Cleared, Taxi into Takeoff Position

This shouldn't even be on the checklist. If the pilot needs his max speeds and air traffic procedures written on a checklist, then he shouldn't be flying in the first place.

Not only that, but he has on there a MAXIMUM runway for takeoff? Hello! The only maximum needed is the actual runway length!

Besides, what industry experience, and what are your credentials to prove me otherwise? You just showed up at this forum 3 hours ago, and start moaning that simmers get no respect, but it is YOU who has taken a post, nay, the entire thread, and twisted it into your own little pissing contest.



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User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 14631 times:

No pissing contest here. Bringing up my time on the forum and "must be a simmer" shows you are the one to make this a contest. You could have said "that website is just wrong" and ended it there. But you throw in a remark making it a pissing contest, then get upset when it is kindly pointed out to you. Then you proceed to run around in circles claiming you didn't mean it like that and didn't assume anything. What a waste of time...

User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6048 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 14651 times:

At least we agree on something -- that this was a waste of time.

Quoting B744F (Reply 23):
Then you proceed to run around in circles

You were the one to take me out of context in the first place.



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